RE: [U2] Leaving U2 World to the Dark Side (SQL)
Just remember when you are wowed by the ease of binding controls to sql data sets, and just placing grids on your form and detail views etc that all of this is available for U2 as well using the u2 ado provider for .net or even at a very basic level with uniobjects, or using a 3rd party tool set like MV.NET or IBM's version of it. Also as others have hinted on here - you can knock up a form bound to your data in minutes just using standard controls- it will work perfectly but of course will be the way the control is designed to work - you will then spend the next 2 weeks hacking about with it to make it look and act just the way your specification requires lol I am one of the lucky ones who spends about 50% of my time doing web dev in asp.net with about 10% on sql and 40% on u2. All the best in your bright new world Symeon. -Original Message- From: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Don Verhagen Sent: 19 February 2009 11:04 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Leaving U2 World to the Dark Side (SQL) To those that know me on this group. I have been using the Unidata databases since 1998 when introduced to it by my former CIO. Over the years and throughout my IT career, it has served me well. Decreasing software production and maintenance costs, while at the same time increasing the value of the software I (we) developed to solve complex business solutions. I have accepted an Application Development management position with a company here in the Philadelphia area. However, they are not a U2 shop. I view this opportunity as a chance to build my skills in and around the .NET platform and evaluate the use MSSQL in a true business application that I myself have built on a U2 platform in a previous time. While this doesn't exclusively rule out U2 in the future, for now, I'll be in SQL-land. Just wanted give a heads up to those that know me here. Don Verhagen Application Development Manager People 2.0 www.people20.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Leaving U2 World to the Dark Side (SQL)
Where ? -Original Message- From: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Address Sent: 19 February 2009 21:51 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Leaving U2 World to the Dark Side (SQL) Advertisement below. --- On Thu, 2/19/09, Tony G 1tlx6h...@sneakemail.com wrote: From: Tony G 1tlx6h...@sneakemail.com Subject: RE: [U2] Leaving U2 World to the Dark Side (SQL) To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Date: Thursday, February 19, 2009, 3:55 PM Don Verhagen wrote I have accepted an Application Development management position with a company here in the Philadelphia area. However, they are not a U2 shop. I view this opportunity as a chance to build my skills in and around the .NET platform and evaluate the use MSSQL in a true business application that I myself have built on a U2 platform in a previous time. While this doesn't exclusively rule out U2 in the future, for now, I'll be in SQL-land. Don - good luck to you. I expect you will find a couple clear differences and it would be nice if you could come back and share the experience with us after you've been at it a while: In the rest of the world it's much easier to simply plug a relational database into a project and make use of it through code. Tables as easily visible in trees in popular IDEs. Schemas easily become classes, and stored procedures become methods in a manner which is very elegant and compelling. I've tried to introduce MV developers to this luxury but so far there has been little interest: nospamNebula-RnD.com/blog/tech/mv/2008/11/mvcodegen2.html Yes, it's easy to get access to those relational table features but actually defining them on the front-end and maintaining them can be a pain. For data there is usually a need to normalize data, which is a constant bump in the road for those of us who enjoy multivalues and delimited fields. Of course data typing is an ongoing concern but personally I find strong data types to be helpful. And stored procedures can be a real pain. With SQL Server you at least now have the option to define SProcs with real code rather than as a stream of queries. A common code language is nice but the equivalent structure for us would be to write entire applications with code in data dictionaries or executed as triggers. So the code itself is better to work with but the location and flow of code is very different than our MV experience. I think you'll find that working in a non-MV shop you'll find a lot of things easier and less thinking from inside the box - but you'll probably also find yourself longing for those other things that you know are easier in MV. :) Best wishes, Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Unidata to Oracle
I'm sure we would all like to see how that turns out as well. Jerry Banker -Original Message- From: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Ritchie Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 4:21 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Leaving U2 World to the Dark Side (SQL) Good luck Don, actually finding MSSQL pretty easy to use in a web application I am helping to develop. Excellent integration with MS's Visual Web Developer. If it makes you feel any better I am currently involved in a project to move a long term Unidata db to Oracle. Cheers, Jeff -Original Message- From: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Don Verhagen Sent: Thursday, 19 February 2009 10:04 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Leaving U2 World to the Dark Side (SQL) To those that know me on this group. I have been using the Unidata databases since 1998 when introduced to it by my former CIO. Over the years and throughout my IT career, it has served me well. Decreasing software production and maintenance costs, while at the same time increasing the value of the software I (we) developed to solve complex business solutions. I have accepted an Application Development management position with a company here in the Philadelphia area. However, they are not a U2 shop. I view this opportunity as a chance to build my skills in and around the .NET platform and evaluate the use MSSQL in a true business application that I myself have built on a U2 platform in a previous time. While this doesn't exclusively rule out U2 in the future, for now, I'll be in SQL-land. Just wanted give a heads up to those that know me here. Don Verhagen Application Development Manager People 2.0 www.people20.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Leaving U2 World to the Dark Side (SQL)
Thank you Symeon. There was no ad. He didn't respond to my inquiry off-list. What a honkin time waster. From: Symeon Breen Where ? From: Address Advertisement below. Tony G wrote: [full quote] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
