Re: [U2] Unidata sessions stop at any time
Hi Marco Call support of the guys you brought Unidata from, I think there is a patch for your issue. Regards David Jordan -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Marco Antonio Rojas Castro Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2011 6:11 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Unidata sessions stop at any time Hello Unidata 7.1.0 on Windows 2008 installed 2 weeks ago. 80 users logged on Unidata sessions stop at any time Event viewer show these messages Error19/03/2011 11:42:17Application Error1000(100) Aplicación con errores udt.exe, versión 7.1.0.3146, marca de hora 0x42c2d61b, módulo con errores unknown, versión 0.0.0.0, marca de tiempo 0x, código de excepción 0x8026, desplazamiento con errores 0x7549a57d, Id. de proceso 0x38bc, hora de inicio de la aplicación 0x01cbe65488e6d5b1. (1100 occurs) Error19/03/2011 12:05:21UniData Telnet1004NingunoTelnet set client binary mode failed.. (13 occurs) Error19/03/2011 11:41:47UniData Telnet1004NingunoTelnet Client/Site licensing inquiry failed.. (42 occurs) How can I fix this ??? Regards, Marco Rojas ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
Because I am no longer a significant user of UniData as I once was, I will pipe up on this question about what I see as the most important role of the U2UG. When the idea came to me to work with folks to get this off the ground, my thinking was that it would be useful to have such an organization to try to get more visibility for MultiValue in general. Because U2 was under the wing of IBM, if we were going to get some better visibility as a branch of the DBMS industry, the most likely resources for such would come from IBM, having more than 70% of the MV installed base (at least that was a figure I saw at one point, perhaps even 75%). So, the biggest reason for me was raising the visibility of what was then relegated to Gartner's "embedded database" category. Now that we have the NoSQL folks out there, I think we should be playing ball with them, getting MV to be one category of NoSQL or YesNoSQL for those MV products that do support SQL. Because I now use Cache' I wish I had not married this organization solely to IBM. At the time I figured that Revelation and jBASE/mPower were also third party providers in the U2 space, so that if we built up from U2 to the entire space, it would not be that difficult. Oddly enough, I now do not feel I can be part of the U2UG to any great extent simply because of the angle that initially I selected and the name that our initial board selected. I would like to see the U2UG look in a bigger way at MultiValue industry affiliations and how our niche of the industry can play ball and be more visible and figure out how to play with industry organizations outside of the MV space as well as within. Just my two cents. --dawn -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 7:13 AM, David Jordan wrote: > > These are my thoughts to some of the issues raised. > > *What do you see as the most important role of the U2UG? > The U2UG plays a number of important roles to empower users to develop their > skills, improve their career opportunities, spread the message and enhance > the U2 products. Some of the issues that I have worked on within the user > group has included working to open the U2 knowledge base that had been > previously been restricted to licensed users, in lobbying management in IBM > and Informix to recognise the U2 technology and issues such as connection > pooling and better documentation. These were made possible by showing > solidarity of a passionate group of users. > ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
In a message dated 3/19/2011 1:46:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, george.l...@aptsolutions.net writes: > Outreach: fft2...@aol.com seems to think that this is what the user group > is > about 'Outreach. Outreach. and Outreach.' The current board (and the > last > one) would probably disagree between ourselves on this, but I don't look > on > outreach as being a function of a user group or, if it is, it's a small > part. A user group usually shares knowledge and help within the community > and represents that community to the vendor. It simply doesn't have the > resources, particularly it doesn't have people with time to outreach in > any > meaningful way. That's not to say that outreach isn't desirable, but it's > not the only focus. > No that's a misunderstanding of my point. Not that outreach is the "only focus". Rather that if Rocket would provide a budget for outreach, then the U2UG could do outreach. And again if Rocket provided a budget for outreach, then there would be resources for outreach. That they don't of course means that it cannot happen. Which doesn't benefit anybody. W ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
In a message dated 3/18/2011 4:27:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
antli...@youngman.org.uk writes:
> On 18/03/11 22:48, fft2...@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > The element that says "you"... "you"... some personality trait "you are
> > perverse" "you have an axe to grind".
> > That's ad hominem. If you have an issue with my argument, than address
> the
> > argument, not my person.
> >
> Simple answer - it's YOUR question, so he was answering YOU.
That makes no sense Anthony. I can answer YOU without saying YOU are an
idiot.
I can answer YOU by answering YOUR argument, that doesn't mean I have to
also slap YOU in the face while doing it does it?
>
> I do notice there doesn't seem to be much support for your position
> though...
Not relevant. I will stand in the hurricane, I have no problem with that
position whatsoever.
>
>
> >>> Why?
> >>>
> I'll tell you why. Because we are an INTERNATIONAL group. What on earth
> would we DO with the money? And, very importantly, who would SPEND it?
You would do outreach, and you would spend it.
>
> There's 9 board members, spread all over the world. I can't remember the
> spread when I was on the board, but at 50 miles apart Brian and me were
> VERY VERY VERY close. One of the big problems was even finding a time
> for the conference call because it was the middle of the night for some,
> the middle of the working day for others, and - conveniently for some -
> just after close of business for them.
>
> At the end of the day, the board DIDN'T WANT money, because we had no
> mechanism for spending it, and couldn't see any way that would work to
> set up such a mechanism. If you've got any better ideas than we had, I'm
> sure the current board would be delighted to know!
Here's an idea. Send a postcard to everyone on your mailing list saying
"Spread the word about U2".
Obviously a newsgroup doesn't work if no one is reading it.
The last time I got anything in the mail about U2UG was ... oh never that's
right.
> >>
> >
> > Again it's not about their "involvement" only about their "financial"
> > involvement.
> >
> And you haven't answered George's question - you clearly didn't read it.
> "Why do you think Rocket doesn't have a budget?". I certainly read into
> that the implication that Rocket DOES have a budget, and spends it on
> supporting the group (I'm out of the loop now, so I can't speak for the
> current board).
It's clear that Rocket has no budget for promoting U2UG because it has
never spent any money TO promote U2UG that should be pretty clear.
Internal promotion is pointless. Allocating resources to meet with you is
pointless if there is no outreach to expand the group.
> >
> >
> > Outreach. Outreach. and Outreach.
> >
> Fine. What are YOU doing to do outreach? What this group needs is
> PEOPLE, not money. Stop telling OTHER PEOPLE what THEY should do, and do
> it yourself. Ask for help if you need it, but don't EXPECT anything more
> than moral support - the chances are the board is overcommitted
> themselves and have nothing of themselves left to give!
I have created the first and only apparently known list of end-users of
Pick. I have created evidently the first and only known list of books on
Picks. I have created evidently the first and only known article on parts of
the
history of Pick. (Not all parts have been documented you know.) What are
YOU doing to do outreach?
I'm not telling OTHER PEOPLE what THEY should do.
I'm telling a COMPANY what IT should do. That's a little different.
I'm not asking the BOARD to do one single thing. I'm saying now and then
and later, that ROCKET should do something.
That is, provide money.
>
> Have you asked Rocket for support?
Again that's inreach. My point is outreach. Has Rocket ever contacted me?
Or really anyone who isn't already in their tickler file?
To promote something you go outside your insular list.
>
> > To your claim that "license numbers are growing" I have to respond
> > {{fact}}.
> > I've seen no evidence of that. What's your evidence.
> > If you want to demonstrate your claims, than do so with sources.
> > Anyone can make claims. I can claim just as easily that everything
> you've
> > said is exactly upside-down.
> >
> > Claims are not worth the air into which they are propelled.
> >
> Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. But the evidence I have
> can be summed up as "IBM was surprised how vigorous U2 was when they
> bought it almost by mistake".
Um what? I'm talking about "license numbers ARE growing" emphasis on Are.
You are talking about license numbers WERE growing
>
> I'm sure you don't remember the takeover by Ardent of Informix. But if
> you read between the lines, that's what happened - okay, Ardent shares
> got turned into Informix ones. But 6 months later it was the Informix
> board that was let go, and ALL the "head honcho" posts were filled with
> Ardent people. IBM reported that the U2 division was *con
[U2] Unidata sessions stop at any time
Hello Unidata 7.1.0 on Windows 2008 installed 2 weeks ago. 80 users logged on Unidata sessions stop at any time Event viewer show these messages Error19/03/2011 11:42:17Application Error1000(100) Aplicación con errores udt.exe, versión 7.1.0.3146, marca de hora 0x42c2d61b, módulo con errores unknown, versión 0.0.0.0, marca de tiempo 0x, código de excepción 0x8026, desplazamiento con errores 0x7549a57d, Id. de proceso 0x38bc, hora de inicio de la aplicación 0x01cbe65488e6d5b1. (1100 occurs) Error19/03/2011 12:05:21UniData Telnet1004NingunoTelnet set client binary mode failed.. (13 occurs) Error19/03/2011 11:41:47UniData Telnet1004NingunoTelnet Client/Site licensing inquiry failed.. (42 occurs) How can I fix this ??? Regards, Marco Rojas ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
>>Let's be clear about this - the support that we have asked for has been provided. There is nothing that we are being held back from doing due to lack of support from Rocket. >> What the group needs is not support from Rocket, we have that, it is the active participation of U2 users willing to put their time where their mouths are and contribute to what the group is doing. If you want to contribute start putting some ideas forward and volunteering time to put them into action. Eloquently put and right on the button. Brian ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
Thanks Wol, To answer some of the points made: Sales Growth: at the risk of getting all 'ad hominem' again, unlike Mr fft2...@aol.com, I am quite open about who I am. I am Chairman of APT, we are the UK U2 Distributors, that means that unless you are a large organisation with an existing relationship with Rocket if you want to buy U2 in the UK you have to buy it from us. So obviously I know our sales figures. Meanwhile I know Kurt, Heinz, Eric, Martin et al - our counterparts around the world - pretty well, we meet up a couple of times a year and share information in between. Then I also know Susie and her team well and meet up with them fairly often and whilst I wouldn't claim to know Andy Youniss particularly well I've had dinner with him a couple of times and met a couple of times more since Rocket took over. So whilst I am not going to share confidential information that is not mine to share, I can hopefully demonstrate that when I say that licenses are growing I am in a position to know what I am talking about. My sources are the Rocket CEO, the Rocket VP responsible for U2, the CEOs/senior managers of the U2 distributors and so on. That growth won't be visible to others because it is all OEM. It's like trying to gauge ZF's sales, most people won't even know who ZF are even though they may use one of their products every day. That's because they don't go out and buy a ZF gearbox, they buy a BMW (or whatever), the gearbox comes with it. They same is true for U2, many people using it don't know that they are using it. It is this OEM focus that people fail to understand, the business model where large end users develop and maintain their own applications is in decline. Organisations want to buy applications off the shelf from software companies, they don't want the risk and cost of developing themselves. They don't want to be dependent on a handful of IT staff to keep them running. This shift means that there are less end user organisations employing U2 staff and that will continue to decline. The developers are now being employed by software companies, although not in the same volume as were employed by end users. For contractors it's even worse, end users aren't employing them in the same volumes as before and software companies almost never employ contractors, we don't - never have and never will. But this shift is good for U2 because OEM is where U2 has been for many years. Rocket support their ISVs in developing and selling applications in to vertical markets and that is much more effective than focusing on end users. If I were to convince an end user to buy U2 and develop on it all I get is one set of licenses and a maintenance fee. But if I convince an ISV to develop on U2 I gain an ongoing revenue stream where I will sell every time they sell. Outreach: fft2...@aol.com seems to think that this is what the user group is about 'Outreach. Outreach. and Outreach.' The current board (and the last one) would probably disagree between ourselves on this, but I don't look on outreach as being a function of a user group or, if it is, it's a small part. A user group usually shares knowledge and help within the community and represents that community to the vendor. It simply doesn't have the resources, particularly it doesn't have people with time to outreach in any meaningful way. That's not to say that outreach isn't desirable, but it's not the only focus. George Land Chairman, APT Solutions Ltd Board member, U2 User Group On 18/03/2011 23:27, "Wols Lists" wrote: > On 18/03/11 22:48, fft2...@aol.com wrote: >> In a message dated 3/18/2011 3:34:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >> george.l...@aptsolutions.net writes: >> >> >>> On 18/03/2011 21:49, "fft2...@aol.com" wrote: >>> In a message dated 3/18/2011 1:02:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, george.l...@aptsolutions.net writes: > Yes be sure to throw an ad hominem attack in there to try to convince >>> the reading audience not to listen. >>> >>> Not sure what element of that was 'ad hominem', but if that's how you want >>> to take it that is up to you. >> >> >> The element that says "you"... "you"... some personality trait "you are >> perverse" "you have an axe to grind". >> That's ad hominem. If you have an issue with my argument, than address the >> argument, not my person. >> > Simple answer - it's YOUR question, so he was answering YOU. > > I do notice there doesn't seem to be much support for your position > though... > > You clearly have no idea what Rocket does for the user group and >>> despite > being told that we can't take money but instead Rocket provides other > resources with which we are very happy you still say 'where's the > financial > support?' Asked and answered. A group doesn't need to "take" money, in order to "use" money. Address that. Why doesn't Rocket have a budget earmarked "Money to be used to support >>> the >
