RE: [U2] PICK Assembler Language
Ok so we're just talking cross purposes. Is this what you're saying: mvBase is a wrapper for a VM. That wrapper can only only run under Windows. The VM it wraps, however, is hardware independent and could be ported if anyone had the code and the desire to produce a new wrapper e.g. for Linux. I remember someone from GA telling me that mvBase was pretty much composed of the R83 code under the hood. But we were both drunk at the time, so that's not a reliable testimony. Come to think of it, I'll strike that last comment. Dicussing mvBase when drunk sounds sooo sad. Brian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 November 2004 07:07 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Assembler Language In a message dated 11/11/2004 2:12:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm puzzled. How do you run mvBase outside of Windows? I'm not questioning your answer, I'd just like to give it a try. MvBase can run on any platform that you write the appropriate interface for. It is a VM in the best traditional of Pick systems. --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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RE: [U2] PICK Assembler Language
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For questions such as the one you just asked :-) Not really programming questions, but meant for the same community. This way the achieve would get filled with fluff and/or the moderator doesn't have to remove those topics from the achieve to keep it on track. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marilyn Hilb Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 10:12 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] PICK Assembler Language For us new-bees to the group (points to self).. What are the Digest lists for? Thanks, Marilyn A. Hilb Value Part, Inc Direct: 847-918-6099 Fax: 847-367-1892 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.valuepart.com -Original Message- From: Moderator [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 11:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [U2] PICK Assembler Language Chuck, Here's the subscribe information for all of our lists. To subscribe to the u2-users or u2-community mailing lists or digest lists, send one or more of the following lines in the BODY (not the subject) of an email addressed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribe u2-users subscribe u2-users-digest subscribe u2-community subscribe u2-community-digest - Charles Barouch, Moderator Chuck Mongiovi wrote: Earlier on, the moderator mentioned to take the history portion of this discussion to the U2 community list .. Where / How do we subscribe to the U2 community list? -Chuck --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of u2ug.vcf] --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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Re: [U2] PICK Assembler Language
This works for me: 1) .S200 to expand the stack size to 200 lines. 2) .P to turn off the proc commands i.e. anything not typed at TCL. Note: can be helpful to toggle it back on during debugging to get a detailed list of exactly what got run during a job stream. .Q (not listed below) displays your current stack settings. The stack settings are stored by port number, so if your port number changes (such as starting a new telnet session), you'll need to type in these settings again on that port. One really nice feature of the mvBase stacker is that .X *moves* the line you executed back to the top of the stack, rather than making a duplicate of the existing one, so lines drop off the bottom of the stack much less quickly if you're using the same commands over and over. Have fun, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/12/04 12:26 AM Two things. First, I don't see the thing that turns off the non fingertip commands. And second, I don't recall the typing but I recall something that pops up a scrollable window of previous commands that I can choose using a mouse. my 1 cent. - Original Message - From: CDMI [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 11:29 AM Subject: RE: [U2] PICK Assembler Language here's the .? from an mvBASE system: .? .L LIST COMMANDS .Ln,m will list n stored TCL commands starting with line m. .E EDIT STORED COMMANDS .En brings the stored commands into the system editor at line n. .X EXECUTE COMMAND(S) .Xn,n,n will execute the numbered command(s). .R RUN COMMANDS STORED IN A FILE .R filename item-id will run the commands stored in the item. .C COPY COMMANDS TO A FILE .Cn,n,n copies the numbered commands to an item in a file. .G GET A COMMAND TO TOP OF STACK .Gn will get command n to the top of the stack .A APPEND TEXT TO TOP COMMAND .A text will append text to the top command on the stack .K KILL (DELETE) COMMAND .Kn kills (deletes) command n. .M MODIFY TOP COMMAND .M[U]/text1/text2 modifies top cmnd by changing text1 to text2 .O COMMAND STORE TOGGLE .S SET NUMBER OF COMMANDS STORED .P PROC COMMAND STORE TOGGLE .U UPPER CASE CONVERSION TOGGLE Don't see what you might be talking about, Dick. Steve Trimble Computerized Data Mgmt Inc (479) 521-5670 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kryka, Richard Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 9:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] PICK Assembler Language I'm not in front of an MvBase system, but try .? to see a list of the . commands. I don't remember the command, but one of them turns off stacking all executed commands so it stacks just the commands entered at TCL. Unfortunately, as I recall, you have to do this each time you log in, and I could not get this to work in the login proc. Dick Kryka Director of Applications CCCS of Greater Denver, Inc. Paragon Financial Services 303-632-2226 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Johnson Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 7:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Assembler Language Since we're on MVBase I have a bone to Pick (no pun intended). Is there any upgrade to their command stacker. It's pathetic, especially since it retains every executable statement, not just the ones I type. Thus, it very easily exceeds the display (20) and I spend more time finding the previous statement that it would take typing it. just asking. --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ - This e-mail and any attachments may contain CONFIDENTIAL information, including PROTECTED HEALTH INFORMATION. If you are not the intended recipient, any use or disclosure of this information is STRICTLY PROHIBITED; you are requested to delete this e-mail and any attachments, notify the sender immediately, and notify the LabCorp Privacy Officer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or call (877) 23-HIPAA / (877) 234-4722. --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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Just because we have a quadrillion microseconds to play with, instead of a 50 millisecond timeslice, doesn't mean we have to waste them. A few moments to consider performance, done once in the development cycle, will pay benefits every time a more efficient program is run. I have to believe that Adm Grace Hopper is smiling down on you both. Regards, Charlie Noah [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes: -Original Message- snip I can't imagine anyone on this forum having to break up this sentence likewise on the current platforms. On this client's older MCD, it truly makes a difference. /snip - Ah, Mark..I do this all the time for the performance reasons mentioned :) Rich Taylor | Senior Programmer/Analyst| VERTIS 250 W. Pratt Street | Baltimore, MD 21201 P 410.361.8688 | F 410.528.0319 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.vertisinc.com Vertis is the premier provider of targeted advertising, media, and marketing services that drive consumers to marketers more effectively. The more they complicate the plumbing the easier it is to stop up the drain - Montgomery Scott NCC-1701 --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] PICK Assembler Language
In all of my travels of code before me at my clients, I have never seen a convoluted SELECT statement broken up into 2 or more pieces for effeciency reasons. I stumbled on the idea around 9 years ago trying to squeeze a few more drops of speed from a 386-based system running InfoQuest. I saw the 95% wasted translates based on my original example and got a 50% increase in speed running a process that had to run about 15 times per user per day. Almost won the Nobel Prize with that client. Not that I've seen everything or more than all, but in my 25+ years of pick covering about 40 different platforms and environments I have never seen a SELECT statement broken up. Thanks. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Assembler Language Just because we have a quadrillion microseconds to play with, instead of a 50 millisecond timeslice, doesn't mean we have to waste them. A few moments to consider performance, done once in the development cycle, will pay benefits every time a more efficient program is run. I have to believe that Adm Grace Hopper is smiling down on you both. Regards, Charlie Noah [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes: -Original Message- snip I can't imagine anyone on this forum having to break up this sentence likewise on the current platforms. On this client's older MCD, it truly makes a difference. /snip - Ah, Mark..I do this all the time for the performance reasons mentioned :) Rich Taylor | Senior Programmer/Analyst| VERTIS 250 W. Pratt Street | Baltimore, MD 21201 P 410.361.8688 | F 410.528.0319 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.vertisinc.com Vertis is the premier provider of targeted advertising, media, and marketing services that drive consumers to marketers more effectively. The more they complicate the plumbing the easier it is to stop up the drain - Montgomery Scott NCC-1701 --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] PICK Assembler Language
I'm not in front of an MvBase system, but try .? to see a list of the . commands. I don't remember the command, but one of them turns off stacking all executed commands so it stacks just the commands entered at TCL. Unfortunately, as I recall, you have to do this each time you log in, and I could not get this to work in the login proc. Dick Kryka Director of Applications CCCS of Greater Denver, Inc. Paragon Financial Services 303-632-2226 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Johnson Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 7:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Assembler Language Since we're on MVBase I have a bone to Pick (no pun intended). Is there any upgrade to their command stacker. It's pathetic, especially since it retains every executable statement, not just the ones I type. Thus, it very easily exceeds the display (20) and I spend more time finding the previous statement that it would take typing it. just asking. --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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here's the .? from an mvBASE system: .? .L LIST COMMANDS .Ln,m will list n stored TCL commands starting with line m. .E EDIT STORED COMMANDS .En brings the stored commands into the system editor at line n. .X EXECUTE COMMAND(S) .Xn,n,n will execute the numbered command(s). .R RUN COMMANDS STORED IN A FILE .R filename item-id will run the commands stored in the item. .C COPY COMMANDS TO A FILE .Cn,n,n copies the numbered commands to an item in a file. .G GET A COMMAND TO TOP OF STACK .Gn will get command n to the top of the stack .A APPEND TEXT TO TOP COMMAND .A text will append text to the top command on the stack .K KILL (DELETE) COMMAND .Kn kills (deletes) command n. .M MODIFY TOP COMMAND .M[U]/text1/text2 modifies top cmnd by changing text1 to text2 .O COMMAND STORE TOGGLE .S SET NUMBER OF COMMANDS STORED .P PROC COMMAND STORE TOGGLE .U UPPER CASE CONVERSION TOGGLE Don't see what you might be talking about, Dick. Steve Trimble Computerized Data Mgmt Inc (479) 521-5670 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kryka, Richard Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 9:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] PICK Assembler Language I'm not in front of an MvBase system, but try .? to see a list of the . commands. I don't remember the command, but one of them turns off stacking all executed commands so it stacks just the commands entered at TCL. Unfortunately, as I recall, you have to do this each time you log in, and I could not get this to work in the login proc. Dick Kryka Director of Applications CCCS of Greater Denver, Inc. Paragon Financial Services 303-632-2226 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Johnson Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 7:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Assembler Language Since we're on MVBase I have a bone to Pick (no pun intended). Is there any upgrade to their command stacker. It's pathetic, especially since it retains every executable statement, not just the ones I type. Thus, it very easily exceeds the display (20) and I spend more time finding the previous statement that it would take typing it. just asking. --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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With one exception, I agree with Charlie. Just because the hardware speeds allow us to write crap doesn't mean we should. There is, of course, a limit to cycle-tweaking. I am not going to spend my time looking for the fastest way to prepend a floating dollar sign, for example. If I have a case of a large number of transactions triggering secondary reads (code file lookup, for example), I will certain take a few minutes to 'ask the system' if a dynamic array cache with locate would be worthwhile. The exception I mention is done once in the development cycle. What was efficient at release x may not be efficient at release y. Thus I am a big proponent of constant refactoring. -- Regards, Clif ~~~ W. Clifton Oliver, CCP CLIFTON OLIVER ASSOCIATES Tel: +1 619 460 5678Web: www.oliver.com ~~~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just because we have a quadrillion microseconds to play with, instead of a 50 millisecond timeslice, doesn't mean we have to waste them. A few moments to consider performance, done once in the development cycle, will pay benefits every time a more efficient program is run. I have to believe that Adm Grace Hopper is smiling down on you both. Regards, Charlie Noah --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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I think the basic concept here has very little to do with any kind of low-level tweaking or variations on versions. Let me explain by example: Software I used to work in had a financial ledger for material transactions that could get to be VERY large. If I wanted to run a Account analysis for a particular period it was always faster to do an initial select based on date (particularly if you indexed that field :) ), then doing the additional selects and sorts on the lesser record pool. My rules were to try and do non-sorted selects first on fields that are indexed and/or do not involve wild cards. Then do the any additional selects and the sorting in a stacked statement. Rich Taylor | Senior Programmer/Analyst| VERTIS 250 W. Pratt Street | Baltimore, MD 21201 P 410.361.8688 | F 410.528.0319 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.vertisinc.com Vertis is the premier provider of targeted advertising, media, and marketing services that drive consumers to marketers more effectively. The more they complicate the plumbing the easier it is to stop up the drain - Montgomery Scott NCC-1701 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 2:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Assembler Language With one exception, I agree with Charlie. Just because the hardware speeds allow us to write crap doesn't mean we should. There is, of course, a limit to cycle-tweaking. I am not going to spend my time looking for the fastest way to prepend a floating dollar sign, for example. If I have a case of a large number of transactions triggering secondary reads (code file lookup, for example), I will certain take a few minutes to 'ask the system' if a dynamic array cache with locate would be worthwhile. The exception I mention is done once in the development cycle. What was efficient at release x may not be efficient at release y. Thus I am a big proponent of constant refactoring. -- Regards, Clif ~~~ W. Clifton Oliver, CCP CLIFTON OLIVER ASSOCIATES Tel: +1 619 460 5678Web: www.oliver.com ~~~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just because we have a quadrillion microseconds to play with, instead of a 50 millisecond timeslice, doesn't mean we have to waste them. A few moments to consider performance, done once in the development cycle, will pay benefits every time a more efficient program is run. I have to believe that Adm Grace Hopper is smiling down on you both. Regards, Charlie Noah --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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I never knew that multiple SELECTS were so popular. I truly have not run into them before except at my doing. Mark. - Original Message - From: Richard Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 2:49 PM Subject: RE: [U2] PICK Assembler Language I think the basic concept here has very little to do with any kind of low-level tweaking or variations on versions. Let me explain by example: Software I used to work in had a financial ledger for material transactions that could get to be VERY large. If I wanted to run a Account analysis for a particular period it was always faster to do an initial select based on date (particularly if you indexed that field :) ), then doing the additional selects and sorts on the lesser record pool. My rules were to try and do non-sorted selects first on fields that are indexed and/or do not involve wild cards. Then do the any additional selects and the sorting in a stacked statement. Rich Taylor | Senior Programmer/Analyst| VERTIS 250 W. Pratt Street | Baltimore, MD 21201 P 410.361.8688 | F 410.528.0319 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.vertisinc.com Vertis is the premier provider of targeted advertising, media, and marketing services that drive consumers to marketers more effectively. The more they complicate the plumbing the easier it is to stop up the drain - Montgomery Scott NCC-1701 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 2:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Assembler Language With one exception, I agree with Charlie. Just because the hardware speeds allow us to write crap doesn't mean we should. There is, of course, a limit to cycle-tweaking. I am not going to spend my time looking for the fastest way to prepend a floating dollar sign, for example. If I have a case of a large number of transactions triggering secondary reads (code file lookup, for example), I will certain take a few minutes to 'ask the system' if a dynamic array cache with locate would be worthwhile. The exception I mention is done once in the development cycle. What was efficient at release x may not be efficient at release y. Thus I am a big proponent of constant refactoring. -- Regards, Clif ~~~ W. Clifton Oliver, CCP CLIFTON OLIVER ASSOCIATES Tel: +1 619 460 5678Web: www.oliver.com ~~~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just because we have a quadrillion microseconds to play with, instead of a 50 millisecond timeslice, doesn't mean we have to waste them. A few moments to consider performance, done once in the development cycle, will pay benefits every time a more efficient program is run. I have to believe that Adm Grace Hopper is smiling down on you both. Regards, Charlie Noah --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] PICK Assembler Language
In a message dated 11/11/2004 2:12:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm puzzled. How do you run mvBase outside of Windows? I'm not questioning your answer, I'd just like to give it a try. MvBase can run on any platform that you write the appropriate interface for. It is a VM in the best traditional of Pick systems. --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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Ultimate, where Ult ran NATIVE under it's own virtal machine .. If you make an exception for Ult on VM, then you make the exact identical exception for MvBase on Windows. I corrected myself to say CAN MvBase run as the ONLY O/S, whether or not it's running in a VM I gather from Brian's last post that it can't .. -Chuck --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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Unlike yesterday's systems, do you feel it necessary today? I can easily do it in PROC but now-a-days there's so much EXECUTE/DATA statements that it may be harder to program than letting a single SELECT process. Just Curious. - Original Message - From: Richard Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 10:11 AM Subject: RE: [U2] PICK Assembler Language -Original Message- snip I can't imagine anyone on this forum having to break up this sentence likewise on the current platforms. On this client's older MCD, it truly makes a difference. /snip - Ah, Mark..I do this all the time for the performance reasons mentioned :) Rich Taylor | Senior Programmer/Analyst| VERTIS 250 W. Pratt Street | Baltimore, MD 21201 P 410.361.8688 | F 410.528.0319 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.vertisinc.com Vertis is the premier provider of targeted advertising, media, and marketing services that drive consumers to marketers more effectively. The more they complicate the plumbing the easier it is to stop up the drain - Montgomery Scott NCC-1701 --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] PICK Assembler Language
Since we're on MVBase I have a bone to Pick (no pun intended). Is there any upgrade to their command stacker. It's pathetic, especially since it retains every executable statement, not just the ones I type. Thus, it very easily exceeds the display (20) and I spend more time finding the previous statement that it would take typing it. just asking. - Original Message - From: Chuck Mongiovi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 9:27 AM Subject: RE: [U2] PICK Assembler Language Ultimate, where Ult ran NATIVE under it's own virtal machine .. If you make an exception for Ult on VM, then you make the exact identical exception for MvBase on Windows. I corrected myself to say CAN MvBase run as the ONLY O/S, whether or not it's running in a VM I gather from Brian's last post that it can't .. -Chuck --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] PICK Assembler Language
-Original Message- snip I can't imagine anyone on this forum having to break up this sentence likewise on the current platforms. On this client's older MCD, it truly makes a difference. /snip - Ah, Mark..I do this all the time for the performance reasons mentioned :) Rich Taylor | Senior Programmer/Analyst| VERTIS 250 W. Pratt Street | Baltimore, MD 21201 P 410.361.8688 | F 410.528.0319 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.vertisinc.com Vertis is the premier provider of targeted advertising, media, and marketing services that drive consumers to marketers more effectively. The more they complicate the plumbing the easier it is to stop up the drain - Montgomery Scott NCC-1701 --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: Memo: Re: [U2] PICK Assembler Language
In a message dated 11/8/2004 7:57:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Before there was this new fangled Universe and Unidata, PICK was a platform independent os/database. It used to run on a variety of platforms from big IBM mainframes all the way down to small minicomputers, and then when PC's were invented (8086 based!!) even on them. It still is platform independent. This was all achieved by having a PICK Virtual Machine, which was ported to each of these platforms. This VM had a very strange structure, with a number of registers and it's own set of instructions. The language used to program this VM at a low level was called the PICK assembler. I believe this is the language being referred to... There are still virtual machine implementations being done. --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] PICK Assembler Language
In a message dated 11/8/2004 6:19:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not familiar with MvBase, but I meant when PICK was the ONLY O/S on the box, and the kernel was a PICK kernel .. I grew up on Ultimate (Tech-Support, actually), so you can understand my model .. I'll make an exception for something like the old IBM VM implementation of Ultimate, where Ult ran NATIVE under it's own virtal machine .. If you make an exception for Ult on VM, then you make the exact identical exception for MvBase on Windows. The abs code sections are brothers to each other. It's a native virtual machine, just like Ult on VM was. Exactly. Will --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] PICK Assembler Language
I'm not familiar with MvBase, but I meant when PICK was the ONLY O/S on the box, and the kernel was a PICK kernel .. I grew up on Ultimate (Tech-Support, actually), so you can understand my model .. I'll make an exception for something like the old IBM VM implementation of Ultimate, where Ult ran NATIVE under it's own virtal machine .. Does MvBase run as the ONLY O/S, or does it run in an emulator environment, kind-of like Virtual-PC or WINE .. Actually, I guess what I really mean is CAN MvBase run as the ONLY O/S, whether or not it's running in a virtual environment .. -Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 6:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] PICK Assembler Language Back when PICK ran native instead of under Unix (or whatever) .. Pick STILL runs native in the MvBase implementation. If you call it that. It uses the same concepts of workspace, modes, and ABS frames and I'm sure it's the same assembler, read pseudo-assembler. Doesn't actually compile to machine language you know. Will --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] PICK Assembler Language
Ok, so I'm a geek. What can I say? :) And for all of the rest of the geeks out there, try this links out: http://www.256b.com/ There was another link out there about making the smalles possible LINUX executable - comparing the size of one generated with a C-compiler vs an NASM compiler vs building it by hand to be the smallest, but I can't find it .. 230 simultaneous serial users plus 22 serial printers on a 75Mhz 486. Funny how earlier the effort was borne on the programmer to be as efficient as he could to make up for the deficiencies of the platform. Now-a-days, the processors are so infinitely fast that they clearly cover up less efficient programming. Therefore, it's easy to forget how far we've come. You know, I was about to cheer your efficiency argument - since I *still* try to be as efficient as possible regardless of the platform that I'm on, but then you went and shot yourself in the foot ;) The server I'm working on is IMHO *very* fast, but we run on SB+, which makes it extremely easy to do tons of extra reads than are actually necessary .. I've also got a few programmers who don't quite understand the downside and performance implications of large DYNAMIC arrays .. Ce la vie .. --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] PICK Assembler Language
Actually, I guess what I really mean is CAN MvBase run as the ONLY O/S, whether or not it's running in a virtual environment .. No, it's a windows executable. Brian --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Memo: Re: [U2] PICK Assembler Language
Hi Sean, Before there was this new fangled Universe and Unidata, PICK was a platform independent os/database. It used to run on a variety of platforms from big IBM mainframes all the way down to small minicomputers, and then when PC's were invented (8086 based!!) even on them. This was all achieved by having a PICK Virtual Machine, which was ported to each of these platforms. This VM had a very strange structure, with a number of registers and it's own set of instructions. The language used to program this VM at a low level was called the PICK assembler. I believe this is the language being referred to... hth, Sean W Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 05 Nov 2004 18:30 Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: bcc: Subject:Re: [U2] PICK Assembler Language What is Pick Assembler Language? Burwell, Edward wrote: HSBC Bank plc may be solicited in the course of its placement efforts for a new issue, by investment clients of the firm for whom the Bank as a firm already provides other services. It may equally decide to allocate to its own proprietary book or with an associate of HSBC Group. This represents a potential conflict of interest. HSBC Bank plc has internal arrangements designed to ensure that the firm would give unbiased and full advice to the corporate finance client about the valuation and pricing of the offering as well as internal systems, controls and procedures to identify and manage conflicts of interest. HSBC Bank plc Registered Office: 8 Canada Square, London E14 5HQ, United Kingdom Registered in England - Number 14259 Authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority. _ This transmission has been issued by a member of the HSBC Group HSBC for the information of the addressee only and should not be reproduced and / or distributed to any other person. Each page attached hereto must be read in conjunction with any disclaimer which forms part of it. Unless otherwise stated, this transmission is neither an offer nor the solicitation of an offer to sell or purchase any investment. Its contents are based on information obtained from sources believed to be reliable but HSBC makes no representation and accepts no responsibility or liability as to its completeness or accuracy. --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] PICK Assembler Language
Are anyone's query processor capable of breaking up an ANDed request and not try test #2 if test #1 fails. Just wondering. It's my understanding that the UniVerse query processor works in this way. Not sure if it still does so if the NO.OPTIMIZE keyword is used, however. --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] PICK Assembler Language
I had a conversion client a few years ago that used ScreenGen which was an ABS-based 4GL. Extremely fast but had to scrap it as their AlphaMicro system was showing signs of crashing and they went to a standard package on D3/AIX. How fast you might ask? It supported 230 simultaneous serial users plus 22 serial printers on a 75Mhz 486. Funny how earlier the effort was borne on the programmer to be as efficient as he could to make up for the deficiencies of the platform. Now-a-days, the processors are so infinitely fast that they clearly cover up less efficient programming. Case in point: My Tuesday client running D3/W2K uses The Programmers Helper and Visual Pick. Granted, one shouldn't look under the hood at the generated source code but some of these created programs are over 9,000 lines of code (no 32K limit here). Not to mention the dozens of INCLUDES that come along for the ride. They compile in about 1 second (Flash Basic) and run as fast as expected with no hesitation from the menus to the programs. My Wednesday client is a 1986 Microdata Spirit system so once a week I'm in a time warp on their system. No useful INCLUDES, difficult external CALLed subs, 32K limits, no Dict Calls and a rickety PERFORM statement. I have to be far more cognizant of my effeciency here as it does make a difference on which method I choose to solve any situation. I can't just write any code that compiles here. I have to pick (no pun intended) the correct method. (BTW, this isn't a solicitation for conversion suggestions. Thanks anyway. But I will accept any coding suggestions.) That gives me a perspective on today's system. Granted, many on this forum came through the ages of MCD/ULT, R80, R83 and other earlier platforms. But, time has erased some of the feelings of those earlier systems as you probably don't touch them today. Therefore, it's easy to forget how far we've come. IMHO, Pick assemly should be given a proper burial as if you have the need, you probably should consider upgrading to a contemporary system. Many, many of the hand-written user-exits and assembly stuff has long since been made standard in contemporary releases. I cannot imagine any business or database logic needing assembler that can't be solved with the 'above board' languages. My 3 cents. - Original Message - From: Steven M Wagner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 2:05 AM Subject: RE: [U2] PICK Assembler Language Assembly isn't that bad. I programmed in COBAL and Assembly on GE115s and the assembly language programming was not that hard. As for Pick Assembler. Never used it. Only was at one site that even had a copy of the Assembler, AlphaMicro. I way heard that applications written in Pick Assembler ran very fast. Although it was easy to trash the system if you made a single mistake. Steve At 01:07 PM 11/5/04 -0800, you wrote: I learned assembly on the IBM 370. Took two whole years of it. What a waste of time...never used it once. My teacher was an ex IBM employee that used to exclusively write I/O routines. Last I heard he had gone insane. This gives a bit of insight into the difficulty of that language. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chuck Mongiovi Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 11:42 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] PICK Assembler Language Pick *has* an assembly language???!!! Back when PICK ran native instead of under Unix (or whatever) .. And some of us even programmed in it .. -Chuck --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- Steven M Wagner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cary, North Carolina, United States of America --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] PICK Assembler Language
Thought it compiled to the Pick virtual machine? Steve Wagner At 06:56 PM 11/5/04 -0500, you wrote: Back when PICK ran native instead of under Unix (or whatever) .. Pick STILL runs native in the MvBase implementation. If you call it that. It uses the same concepts of workspace, modes, and ABS frames and I'm sure it's the same assembler, read pseudo-assembler. Doesn't actually compile to machine language you know. Will --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- Steven M Wagner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cary, North Carolina, United States of America --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] PICK Assembler Language
Don't laugh at this, but could anybody use a contractor who knows PICK Assembler language? Larry Okeson VP Software Search Atlanta 800-949-5423 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] PICK Assembler Language
lol... oops sorry :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 10:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [U2] PICK Assembler Language Don't laugh at this, but could anybody use a contractor who knows PICK Assembler language? Larry Okeson VP Software Search Atlanta 800-949-5423 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential and/or proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or his or her authorized agent, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by replying to this message and delete this e-mail immediately. --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: Spam:[U2] PICK Assembler Language
This is really a guess, but maybe the folks at www.ossfl.com -Original Message- Subject: Spam:[U2] PICK Assembler Language Don't laugh at this, but could anybody use a contractor who knows PICK Assembler language? --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] PICK Assembler Language
Maybe Dave Miller from NJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 10:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [U2] PICK Assembler Language Don't laugh at this, but could anybody use a contractor who knows PICK Assembler language? Larry Okeson VP Software Search Atlanta 800-949-5423 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ __ This e-mail has been scanned by MCI Managed Email Content Service, using Skeptic(tm) technology powered by MessageLabs. For more information on MCI's Managed Email Content Service, visit http://www.mci.com. __ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] PICK Assembler Language
i apologize. how rude of me :(.. i thought you were looking 'for' a contractor. pick assembler ?... impressive -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter Olson Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 10:41 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [U2] PICK Assembler Language lol... oops sorry :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 10:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [U2] PICK Assembler Language Don't laugh at this, but could anybody use a contractor who knows PICK Assembler language? Larry Okeson VP Software Search Atlanta 800-949-5423 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential and/or proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or his or her authorized agent, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by replying to this message and delete this e-mail immediately. --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential and/or proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or his or her authorized agent, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by replying to this message and delete this e-mail immediately. --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] PICK Assembler Language
What is Pick Assembler Language? Burwell, Edward wrote: Maybe Dave Miller from NJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 10:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [U2] PICK Assembler Language Don't laugh at this, but could anybody use a contractor who knows PICK Assembler language? Larry Okeson VP Software Search Atlanta 800-949-5423 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ __ This e-mail has been scanned by MCI Managed Email Content Service, using Skeptic(tm) technology powered by MessageLabs. For more information on MCI's Managed Email Content Service, visit http://www.mci.com. __ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] PICK Assembler Language
Pick *has* an assembly language???!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 07:09 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [U2] PICK Assembler Language Don't laugh at this, but could anybody use a contractor who knows PICK Assembler language? Larry Okeson VP Software Search Atlanta 800-949-5423 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] PICK Assembler Language
Pick *has* an assembly language???!!! Back when PICK ran native instead of under Unix (or whatever) .. And some of us even programmed in it .. -Chuck --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] PICK Assembler Language
I learned assembly on the IBM 370. Took two whole years of it. What a waste of time...never used it once. My teacher was an ex IBM employee that used to exclusively write I/O routines. Last I heard he had gone insane. This gives a bit of insight into the difficulty of that language. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chuck Mongiovi Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 11:42 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] PICK Assembler Language Pick *has* an assembly language???!!! Back when PICK ran native instead of under Unix (or whatever) .. And some of us even programmed in it .. -Chuck --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] PICK Assembler Language
IBM mainframe assembler difficult??? Not really, compared to microprocessor assembly it was almost a high-level language. I had a lot of fun with it way back when. Never used it in 'real' life, but it was fun. Ok, so I'm a geek. What can I say? :) Rich Taylor | Senior Programmer/Analyst| VERTIS 250 W. Pratt Street | Baltimore, MD 21201 P 410.361.8688 | F 410.528.0319 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.vertisinc.com Vertis is the premier provider of targeted advertising, media, and marketing services that drive consumers to marketers more effectively. The more they complicate the plumbing the easier it is to stop up the drain - Montgomery Scott NCC-1701 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 4:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] PICK Assembler Language I learned assembly on the IBM 370. Took two whole years of it. What a waste of time...never used it once. My teacher was an ex IBM employee that used to exclusively write I/O routines. Last I heard he had gone insane. This gives a bit of insight into the difficulty of that language. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chuck Mongiovi Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 11:42 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] PICK Assembler Language Pick *has* an assembly language???!!! Back when PICK ran native instead of under Unix (or whatever) .. And some of us even programmed in it .. -Chuck --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] PICK Assembler Language
I learned BAL on the 360. Never used it commercially, but it led to other things. I learned Z80 assembler and wrote some disk drivers for MP/M many moons ago. Wrote a few functions in assembler on a Microdata Reality system. Then picked up x86 assembler and wrote some device drivers (touchscreen, MSR, manager keylock, etc) for some IBM POS hardware running DOS back in the late 80's/early 90's. Haven't used any assembler since then. Low level bit-twiddling stuff all gets written in C now. Larry Hiscock Western Computer Services -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 1:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] PICK Assembler Language I learned assembly on the IBM 370. Took two whole years of it. What a waste of time...never used it once. My teacher was an ex IBM employee that used to exclusively write I/O routines. Last I heard he had gone insane. This gives a bit of insight into the difficulty of that language. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chuck Mongiovi Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 11:42 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] PICK Assembler Language Pick *has* an assembly language???!!! Back when PICK ran native instead of under Unix (or whatever) .. And some of us even programmed in it .. -Chuck --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] PICK Assembler Language
Gosh That's a (FAR R15,0) time ago READX R15,0 BSL WRITOB JayJay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 November 2004 15:09 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [U2] PICK Assembler Language Don't laugh at this, but could anybody use a contractor who knows PICK Assembler language? Larry Okeson VP Software Search Atlanta 800-949-5423 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] PICK Assembler Language
Even now the D3 product has it's own assembler, as they still run in a virtual machine environment -- but there aren't too many (any?) people outside of Raining Data (pre: Pick Systems) that use it Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage an Evolution in Software Development -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Mongiovi Sent: Saturday, 6 November 2004 6:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] PICK Assembler Language Pick *has* an assembly language???!!! Back when PICK ran native instead of under Unix (or whatever) .. And some of us even programmed in it .. -Chuck --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 1/11/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 1/11/2004 --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] PICK Assembler Language
Back when PICK ran native instead of under Unix (or whatever) .. Pick STILL runs native in the MvBase implementation. If you call it that. It uses the same concepts of workspace, modes, and ABS frames and I'm sure it's the same assembler, read pseudo-assembler. Doesn't actually compile to machine language you know. Will --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] PICK Assembler Language
You might want to Google John Spicer. He wrote some stuff in the mid 1970's which became standard issue on later releases. Haven't heard of him since 1979. He I worked at DCT/MSL with Ted for Microdata in Union NJ. My 1 cent. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 10:08 AM Subject: [U2] PICK Assembler Language Don't laugh at this, but could anybody use a contractor who knows PICK Assembler language? Larry Okeson VP Software Search Atlanta 800-949-5423 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] PICK Assembler Language
If Dave Miller reads this, please have him drop me a line. I picked up after him at Pantone. Thanks. - Original Message - From: Burwell, Edward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 12:02 PM Subject: RE: [U2] PICK Assembler Language Maybe Dave Miller from NJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 10:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [U2] PICK Assembler Language Don't laugh at this, but could anybody use a contractor who knows PICK Assembler language? Larry Okeson VP Software Search Atlanta 800-949-5423 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ __ This e-mail has been scanned by MCI Managed Email Content Service, using Skeptic(tm) technology powered by MessageLabs. For more information on MCI's Managed Email Content Service, visit http://www.mci.com. __ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
