Re: [U2] User timeout question
Sb+ has an ON.EXIT process, I was going to replace with my own, but don't know what the SB+ process does, and haven't found an explanation in docs. Nancy Fisher Peninsula Truck Lines, Inc Federal Way, Washington 253/929-2040 Visit our Website www.peninsulatruck.com nan...@peninsulatruck.com -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wols Lists Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 1:06 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] User timeout question On 12/10/12 02:28, nancy wrote: > How does autologout work in SB ? (windows/universe) How does ON.EXIT > work? If ON.EXIT exists, then it is called by UV as part of the normal logout process. For example, what I used it for was to turn the default stack saving mechanism off. Then I used ON.EXIT to do a "SAVE.STACK username" and in the LOGIN command (which runs at login, of course) I did a "LOAD.STACK username". It's provided so that your programs have a way to clean up after themselves when your user quits UV. Just be aware it doesn't always work - lusers will always find some way to avoid the safeguards you've put in place - "every time we invent something idiot-proof, nature invents a better idiot". Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] User timeout question
On 12/10/12 02:28, nancy wrote: > How does autologout work in SB ? (windows/universe) > How does ON.EXIT work? If ON.EXIT exists, then it is called by UV as part of the normal logout process. For example, what I used it for was to turn the default stack saving mechanism off. Then I used ON.EXIT to do a "SAVE.STACK username" and in the LOGIN command (which runs at login, of course) I did a "LOAD.STACK username". It's provided so that your programs have a way to clean up after themselves when your user quits UV. Just be aware it doesn't always work - lusers will always find some way to avoid the safeguards you've put in place - "every time we invent something idiot-proof, nature invents a better idiot". Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] User timeout question
Rick Nuckolls Lynden.com> writes:
>
> No guarantees as to how it works with SB, but UV has an AUTOLOGOUT {idle
minutes} command that might be of use.
>
> -Rick Nuckolls
>
> -Original Message-----
> Subject: [U2] User timeout question
>
> Hi All,
>
> We are having a problem with a particular user who is opening up a
> maintenance screen and then leaving the record in the locked state when he
> goes home. Is there a way to log him off the system (and unsetting locks)
> after a certain amount of time has elapsed?
>
How does autologout work in SB ? (windows/universe)
How does ON.EXIT work?
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Re: [U2] User timeout question
I have tried adding TIMEOUT to the LOGIN paragraph and it fails to work. The trick, I found, is to add to the SB Setup Logon/Logto process. After I did that it works very well. Thanks again for the help. Bruce -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Rutherford, Marc Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 1:00 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] User timeout question On Unidata use TIMEOUT.This will logoff the session when inactive keyboard exceeds the desired time period. Marc Rutherford Principal Programmer Analyst Advanced Bionics LLC 661) 362 1754 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Lunt, Bruce Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:48 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] User timeout question I tried HELP AUTOLOGOUT but it was not there. Is this a recent command? We are running version 7.1 of Unidata. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:18 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] User timeout question HELP AUTOLOGOUT -Original Message- From: Lunt, Bruce To: u2-users Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 11:59 am Subject: [U2] User timeout question Hi All, e are having a problem with a particular user who is opening up a aintenance screen and then leaving the record in the locked state when he oes home. Is there a way to log him off the system (and unsetting locks) fter a certain amount of time has elapsed? hanks in advance, ruce tw we are running HPUX 11 on HP9000 with SB+ screens. __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] User timeout question
Thanks! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 4:01 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] User timeout question LOGIN -Original Message- From: Lunt, Bruce To: 'U2 Users List' Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 3:52 pm Subject: Re: [U2] User timeout question Now for the $64 dollar question: Where do I put the timeout command to be ure that it is enabled when this user logs onto the system? -Original Message- rom: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Rutherford, Marc ent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 1:00 PM o: U2 Users List ubject: Re: [U2] User timeout question n Unidata use TIMEOUT.This will logoff the session when inactive eyboard exceeds the desired time period. Marc Rutherford rincipal Programmer Analyst dvanced Bionics LLC 61) 362 1754 -Original Message- rom: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Lunt, Bruce ent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:48 PM o: 'U2 Users List' ubject: Re: [U2] User timeout question I tried HELP AUTOLOGOUT but it was not there. Is this a recent command? We re running version 7.1 of Unidata. -Original Message- rom: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson ent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:18 PM o: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org ubject: Re: [U2] User timeout question ELP AUTOLOGOUT -Original Message- rom: Lunt, Bruce o: u2-users ent: Tue, May 1, 2012 11:59 am ubject: [U2] User timeout question i All, e are having a problem with a particular user who is opening up a aintenance creen and then leaving the record in the locked state when he oes home. Is here a way to log him off the system (and unsetting locks) fter a certain mount of time has elapsed? hanks in advance, uce tw we are running HPUX 11 on HP9000 with SB+ screens. _ -Users mailing list -us...@listserver.u2ug.org tp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] User timeout question
LOGIN -Original Message- From: Lunt, Bruce To: 'U2 Users List' Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 3:52 pm Subject: Re: [U2] User timeout question Now for the $64 dollar question: Where do I put the timeout command to be ure that it is enabled when this user logs onto the system? -Original Message- rom: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Rutherford, Marc ent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 1:00 PM o: U2 Users List ubject: Re: [U2] User timeout question n Unidata use TIMEOUT.This will logoff the session when inactive eyboard exceeds the desired time period. Marc Rutherford rincipal Programmer Analyst dvanced Bionics LLC 61) 362 1754 -Original Message- rom: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Lunt, Bruce ent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:48 PM o: 'U2 Users List' ubject: Re: [U2] User timeout question I tried HELP AUTOLOGOUT but it was not there. Is this a recent command? We re running version 7.1 of Unidata. -Original Message- rom: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson ent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:18 PM o: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org ubject: Re: [U2] User timeout question ELP AUTOLOGOUT -Original Message- rom: Lunt, Bruce o: u2-users ent: Tue, May 1, 2012 11:59 am ubject: [U2] User timeout question i All, e are having a problem with a particular user who is opening up a aintenance creen and then leaving the record in the locked state when he oes home. Is here a way to log him off the system (and unsetting locks) fter a certain mount of time has elapsed? hanks in advance, uce tw we are running HPUX 11 on HP9000 with SB+ screens. _ -Users mailing list -us...@listserver.u2ug.org tp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] User timeout question
Now for the $64 dollar question: Where do I put the timeout command to be sure that it is enabled when this user logs onto the system? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Rutherford, Marc Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 1:00 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] User timeout question On Unidata use TIMEOUT.This will logoff the session when inactive keyboard exceeds the desired time period. Marc Rutherford Principal Programmer Analyst Advanced Bionics LLC 661) 362 1754 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Lunt, Bruce Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:48 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] User timeout question I tried HELP AUTOLOGOUT but it was not there. Is this a recent command? We are running version 7.1 of Unidata. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:18 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] User timeout question HELP AUTOLOGOUT -Original Message- From: Lunt, Bruce To: u2-users Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 11:59 am Subject: [U2] User timeout question Hi All, e are having a problem with a particular user who is opening up a aintenance screen and then leaving the record in the locked state when he oes home. Is there a way to log him off the system (and unsetting locks) fter a certain amount of time has elapsed? hanks in advance, ruce tw we are running HPUX 11 on HP9000 with SB+ screens. __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] User timeout question
I don't have it either. HPUX, UniData 7.2. John -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Lunt, Bruce Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 3:48 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] User timeout question I tried HELP AUTOLOGOUT but it was not there. Is this a recent command? We are running version 7.1 of Unidata. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:18 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] User timeout question HELP AUTOLOGOUT -Original Message- From: Lunt, Bruce To: u2-users Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 11:59 am Subject: [U2] User timeout question Hi All, e are having a problem with a particular user who is opening up a aintenance screen and then leaving the record in the locked state when he oes home. Is there a way to log him off the system (and unsetting locks) fter a certain amount of time has elapsed? hanks in advance, ruce tw we are running HPUX 11 on HP9000 with SB+ screens. __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] User timeout question
On Unidata use TIMEOUT.This will logoff the session when inactive keyboard exceeds the desired time period. Marc Rutherford Principal Programmer Analyst Advanced Bionics LLC 661) 362 1754 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Lunt, Bruce Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:48 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] User timeout question I tried HELP AUTOLOGOUT but it was not there. Is this a recent command? We are running version 7.1 of Unidata. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:18 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] User timeout question HELP AUTOLOGOUT -Original Message- From: Lunt, Bruce To: u2-users Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 11:59 am Subject: [U2] User timeout question Hi All, e are having a problem with a particular user who is opening up a aintenance screen and then leaving the record in the locked state when he oes home. Is there a way to log him off the system (and unsetting locks) fter a certain amount of time has elapsed? hanks in advance, ruce tw we are running HPUX 11 on HP9000 with SB+ screens. __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] User timeout question
I gather that in Unidata, the command is "TIMEOUT". Note that the parameter is seconds. "TIMEOUT 0" might reset it, but it does not say anything in this document. (From Unidata Commands reference) -Rick TIMEOUT nn Description The ECL TIMEOUT command automatically logs a user out of a UniData session if input is not received in nn seconds. The setting remains in effect for the current UniData session only. TIMEOUT applies to the following: ECL (colon) prompt. Proc IP and IBP commands. Paragraph inline prompting (except with the I option). UniBasic INPUT commands and the IN function. TIMEOUT does not apply to the prompt that displays after an interrupt in ECL. UniData executes the LOGOUT paragraph before exiting the session.Warning: Depending on your application coding, setting TIMEOUT could cause logical database inconsistencies. For example, without transaction processing in effect, an application might update part of a record, prompt for user input, and then time out at the prompt without updating the rest of the record. Example In the following example, the TIMEOUT command logs the user off after 59 seconds if UniData receives no input: :TIMEOUT 59 Process will timeout after waiting 59 seconds for input. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Lunt, Bruce Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:48 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] User timeout question I tried HELP AUTOLOGOUT but it was not there. Is this a recent command? We are running version 7.1 of Unidata. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:18 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] User timeout question HELP AUTOLOGOUT -Original Message- From: Lunt, Bruce To: u2-users Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 11:59 am Subject: [U2] User timeout question Hi All, e are having a problem with a particular user who is opening up a aintenance screen and then leaving the record in the locked state when he oes home. Is there a way to log him off the system (and unsetting locks) fter a certain amount of time has elapsed? hanks in advance, ruce tw we are running HPUX 11 on HP9000 with SB+ screens. __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] User timeout question
I don't know I'm on Universe -Original Message- From: Lunt, Bruce To: 'U2 Users List' Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 12:49 pm Subject: Re: [U2] User timeout question I tried HELP AUTOLOGOUT but it was not there. Is this a recent command? We re running version 7.1 of Unidata. -Original Message- rom: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson ent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:18 PM o: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org ubject: Re: [U2] User timeout question ELP AUTOLOGOUT -Original Message- rom: Lunt, Bruce o: u2-users ent: Tue, May 1, 2012 11:59 am ubject: [U2] User timeout question i All, e are having a problem with a particular user who is opening up a aintenance creen and then leaving the record in the locked state when he oes home. Is here a way to log him off the system (and unsetting locks) fter a certain mount of time has elapsed? hanks in advance, uce tw we are running HPUX 11 on HP9000 with SB+ screens. _ -Users mailing list -us...@listserver.u2ug.org tp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] User timeout question
I tried HELP AUTOLOGOUT but it was not there. Is this a recent command? We are running version 7.1 of Unidata. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:18 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] User timeout question HELP AUTOLOGOUT -Original Message- From: Lunt, Bruce To: u2-users Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 11:59 am Subject: [U2] User timeout question Hi All, e are having a problem with a particular user who is opening up a aintenance screen and then leaving the record in the locked state when he oes home. Is there a way to log him off the system (and unsetting locks) fter a certain amount of time has elapsed? hanks in advance, ruce tw we are running HPUX 11 on HP9000 with SB+ screens. __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] User timeout question
HELP AUTOLOGOUT -Original Message- From: Lunt, Bruce To: u2-users Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 11:59 am Subject: [U2] User timeout question Hi All, e are having a problem with a particular user who is opening up a aintenance screen and then leaving the record in the locked state when he oes home. Is there a way to log him off the system (and unsetting locks) fter a certain amount of time has elapsed? hanks in advance, ruce tw we are running HPUX 11 on HP9000 with SB+ screens. __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] User timeout question
No guarantees as to how it works with SB, but UV has an AUTOLOGOUT {idle
minutes} command that might be of use.
-Rick Nuckolls
-Original Message-
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Lunt, Bruce
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:58 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: [U2] User timeout question
Hi All,
We are having a problem with a particular user who is opening up a
maintenance screen and then leaving the record in the locked state when he
goes home. Is there a way to log him off the system (and unsetting locks)
after a certain amount of time has elapsed?
Thanks in advance,
Bruce
btw we are running HPUX 11 on HP9000 with SB+ screens.
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[U2] User timeout question
Hi All, We are having a problem with a particular user who is opening up a maintenance screen and then leaving the record in the locked state when he goes home. Is there a way to log him off the system (and unsetting locks) after a certain amount of time has elapsed? Thanks in advance, Bruce btw we are running HPUX 11 on HP9000 with SB+ screens. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
