RE: [U2] PCL problem on U2
Colin, What's the bang sign for? We would use EXECUTE DOS /C COPY etc. Eric Armstrong Lobel Financial -Original Message- From: Colin Alfke [mailto:alfke...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:29 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] PCL problem on U2 David; It looks like you're missing the point of the macro - simply load it into the printer once and print multiple times. Your converter may allow you to load it to the printer, otherwise you actually copy it to the printer (not print it). Under Windows we simply: EXECUTE !COPY /B \UD\LOGOS\LOGO.MAC \\UNCPathToPrinter Sorry, not sure of the Linux syntax. It only needs to be done when the printer is powered off an loses the macro so you can do it from a screen etc. Although we have one very distributed site that preferred we send the macro before the print job to make sure it was there. In your code you simply do a: PRINT CHAR(27):'f':LOGONUM:'y2X' to print the logo. This simply specifies and executes the macro. hth Colin Alfke Calgary, Canada LOBEL FINANCIAL PRIVACY NOTICE: This communication may contain confidential company information that is protected by federal law. Federal regulations prohibit the disclosure (or re-disclosure) of confidential information without the written consent of the person(s) to whom it pertains. Additionally, the views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] PCL problem on U2
I think Colin has this right. There's no point in using a sledgehammer to tap in a nail to hang a picture on the wall. Using UV to manipulate a PCL image is using a sledgehammer. You should simply be able to download a picture and assign this image an ID. Then use PCL code (or HP-GL/2 code) to call the image within the print job. Thus you would use the standard binary copy to upload the image to the printer, then the printer language to position the image on your paper during each print. We do this all the time with checks and signatures. Bill __ From: George Gallen ggal...@wyanokegroup.com Sent: 5/20/2009 3:26 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] PCL problem on U2 oopS. (the second file should have been /tmp/fileb.pcl not /tmp/filea.pcl) Try this: write the preceeding part of the UV data to /tmp/filea.pcl write the trailing p art of the uv data to /tmp/filea.pcl SHOULD HAVE READ Try this: write the preceeding part of the UV data to /tmp/filea.pcl write the trailing p art of the uv data to /tmp/fileb.pcl -Original Message- From: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:owner-u2- us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of George Gallen Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 2:13 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Cc: dhoo...@illinoislock.com Subject: RE: [U2] PCL problem on U2 Try this: write the preceeding part of the UV data to /tmp/filea.pcl write the trailing part of the uv data to /tmp/filea.pcl To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] PCL problem on U2
Sorry - it's the UniData command to run the following statement at the OS level. Colin Alfke Calgary, Canada -Original Message- From: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Eric Armstrong Colin, What's the bang sign for? We would use EXECUTE DOS /C COPY etc. Eric Armstrong Lobel Financial -Original Message- From: Colin Alfke David; It looks like you're missing the point of the macro - simply load it into the printer once and print multiple times. Your converter may allow you to load it to the printer, otherwise you actually copy it to the printer (not print it). Under Windows we simply: EXECUTE !COPY /B \UD\LOGOS\LOGO.MAC \\UNCPathToPrinter Sorry, not sure of the Linux syntax. It only needs to be done when the printer is powered off an loses the macro so you can do it from a screen etc. Although we have one very distributed site that preferred we send the macro before the print job to make sure it was there. In your code you simply do a: PRINT CHAR(27):'f':LOGONUM:'y2X' to print the logo. This simply specifies and executes the macro. hth Colin Alfke --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] PCL problem on U2
David Hoover wrote: I am trying to place a logo that is stored at /area1/dh.temp/M100_3Logo.pcl on a form that I am creating in PCL5. I have no problem with the shading, boxes, or data. I am having a problem getting the logo to be printed. One thought I has is maybe try it as ps or something liek that. Is pcl a hard requirement? I am working on a project that will use Unidata on RH, has your experience with U2 + RH been positive? --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] PCL problem on U2
I suspect your issue is in using the execute statement on line 10. Here's how we print logos on our customer facing documents: *** GET.IMAGE: ** OPENSEQ UNIX.FILE TO IMAGE.FILE ELSE RETURN LOOP.END = 0 ESC = CHAR(27) IMAGE = '' LOOP READBLK DATA FROM IMAGE.FILE,64 ELSE LOOP.END = 1 UNTIL LOOP.END DO IMAGE := DATA REPEAT IF IMAGE[1,1] = ESC THEN IMAGE = IMAGE[2,LEN(IMAGE)] DCNT = DCOUNT(IMAGE,ESC) FOR D = 1 TO DCNT ITEM = FIELD(IMAGE,ESC,D) BEGIN CASE CASE INDEX(ITEM,'p0x',1) XPOS = FIELD(FIELD(ITEM,x,1),p,2) YPOS = FIELD(FIELD(ITEM,x,2),Y,1) PRINT ON 1 ESC:'*p':XPOS+XOFF:'x':YPOS+YOFF:'Y': CASE ITEM = '*p0x' PRINT ON 1 ESC:'*p':XOFF:'x': CASE 1 PRINT ON 1 ESC:ITEM: END CASE NEXT D CLOSE IMAGE.FILE RETURN This is subroutine is contained within a particular report program we use - however, we have an external subroutine that we often call that does exactly the same thing. We simply call the subroutine to print the logo on the document. Note: you'll have to change the printer # - we use 1, I see you're using 11 UNIX.FILE = the full UNIX path to the .pcl logo file we have stored on our system. Good luck. Hope this helps. Barry Rutherford Programmer / Analyst MobilexUSA 920 Ridgebrook Rd, Sparks, MD 21152 Direct: 443-662-4162 Toll Free: 800-786-8015 ext. 4162 Fax: 443-662-4225 http://www.mobilexusa.com -Original Message- From: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of David Hoover Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 1:05 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] PCL problem on U2 I am trying to place a logo that is stored at /area1/dh.temp/M100_3Logo.pcl on a form that I am creating in PCL5. I have no problem with the shading, boxes, or data. I am having a problem getting the logo to be printed. Base information: OS - RedHat Linux Running U2 Printer is IBM InfoPrint 1464 Color Logo file original name: 3Logo.jpg After running thru IPX20xx converter from IBM: M100_3Logo.pcl (Set this up as Macro 100) Here's the code that I am currently trying to work with: 0001: EXECUTE 'SETPTR 11,, NHEAD, FORM IBM, AT PR33' 0002: PRINTER ON 0003: * 0004: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):E 0005: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):f100Y 0006: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):f0X 0007: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):a540h780V 0008: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):*t300R 0009: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):*r100A 0010: EXECUTE SH -c 'lp -d PR33 /area1/dh.temp/M100_3Logo.pcl' 0011: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):*rC 0012: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):f100X 0013: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):f4X 0014: PRINT ON 11 THIS IS A TEST OF THE MACRO 0015: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):E 0016: PRINTER OFF 0017:END Thanks in advance for any and all help you can offer. David Hoover Illinois Lock (847) 537-1800 x293 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] PCL problem on U2
Is the SETPTR set to send any data NOW, or will it be buffered until you close the program? If it's buffered, then you sending the logo, then the UV data instead of sandwiching the logo between the UV data. Try this: write the preceeding part of the UV data to /tmp/filea.pcl write the trailing part of the uv data to /tmp/filea.pcl then try: (cat /tmp/filea.pcl ; cat /area1/dh.temp/M100_3Logo.pcl ; cat /tmp/fileb.pcl) | lp -d PR33 If that works, then it's the sandwiching issue. George -Original Message- From: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:owner-u2- us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of David Hoover Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 1:05 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] PCL problem on U2 I am trying to place a logo that is stored at /area1/dh.temp/M100_3Logo.pcl on a form that I am creating in PCL5. I have no problem with the shading, boxes, or data. I am having a problem getting the logo to be printed. Base information: OS - RedHat Linux Running U2 Printer is IBM InfoPrint 1464 Color Logo file original name: 3Logo.jpg After running thru IPX20xx converter from IBM: M100_3Logo.pcl (Set this up as Macro 100) Here's the code that I am currently trying to work with: 0001: EXECUTE 'SETPTR 11,, NHEAD, FORM IBM, AT PR33' 0002: PRINTER ON 0003: * 0004: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):E 0005: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):f100Y 0006: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):f0X 0007: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):a540h780V 0008: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):*t300R 0009: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):*r100A 0010: EXECUTE SH -c 'lp -d PR33 /area1/dh.temp/M100_3Logo.pcl' 0011: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):*rC 0012: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):f100X 0013: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):f4X 0014: PRINT ON 11 THIS IS A TEST OF THE MACRO 0015: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):E 0016: PRINTER OFF 0017:END Thanks in advance for any and all help you can offer. David Hoover Illinois Lock (847) 537-1800 x293 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] PCL problem on U2
In message e8209a9427264095bc3fe78d6908d...@it3, David Hoover dhoo...@illinoislock.com writes I am trying to place a logo that is stored at /area1/dh.temp/M100_3Logo.pcl on a form that I am creating in PCL5. I have no problem with the shading, boxes, or data. I am having a problem getting the logo to be printed. Base information: OS - RedHat Linux Running U2 Printer is IBM InfoPrint 1464 Color Logo file original name: 3Logo.jpg After running thru IPX20xx converter from IBM: M100_3Logo.pcl (Set this up as Macro 100) Here's the code that I am currently trying to work with: 0001: EXECUTE 'SETPTR 11,, NHEAD, FORM IBM, AT PR33' 0002: PRINTER ON 0003: * 0004: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):E 0005: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):f100Y 0006: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):f0X 0007: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):a540h780V 0008: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):*t300R 0009: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):*r100A Okay, this is setting up your print job ... 0010: EXECUTE SH -c 'lp -d PR33 /area1/dh.temp/M100_3Logo.pcl' This is sending the logo as a DIFFERENT print job. That's your problem. I'm not sure how you'll fix this, but you need to read the logo file into U2, and then dump it to your print job without the binary getting corrupted. The other way to do it (I'm pretty sure it's possible but I've never done it) is to download the logo to the printer as a logo or font or whatever, then have a code in your print job to print the prestored logo. Cheers, Wol -- Anthony W. Youngman pi...@thewolery.demon.co.uk 'Yings, yow graley yin! Suz ae rikt dheu,' said the blue man, taking the thimble. 'What *is* he?' said Magrat. 'They're gnomes,' said Nanny. The man lowered the thimble. 'Pictsies!' Carpe Jugulum, Terry Pratchett 1998 Visit the MaVerick web-site - http://www.maverick-dbms.org Open Source Pick --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] PCL problem on U2
David; It looks like you're missing the point of the macro - simply load it into the printer once and print multiple times. Your converter may allow you to load it to the printer, otherwise you actually copy it to the printer (not print it). Under Windows we simply: EXECUTE !COPY /B \UD\LOGOS\LOGO.MAC \\UNCPathToPrinter Sorry, not sure of the Linux syntax. It only needs to be done when the printer is powered off an loses the macro so you can do it from a screen etc. Although we have one very distributed site that preferred we send the macro before the print job to make sure it was there. In your code you simply do a: PRINT CHAR(27):'f':LOGONUM:'y2X' to print the logo. This simply specifies and executes the macro. hth Colin Alfke Calgary, Canada From: David Hoover I am trying to place a logo that is stored at /area1/dh.temp/M100_3Logo.pcl on a form that I am creating in PCL5. I have no problem with the shading, boxes, or data. I am having a problem getting the logo to be printed. Base information: OS - RedHat Linux Running U2 Printer is IBM InfoPrint 1464 Color Logo file original name: 3Logo.jpg After running thru IPX20xx converter from IBM: M100_3Logo.pcl (Set this up as Macro 100) Here's the code that I am currently trying to work with: 0001: EXECUTE 'SETPTR 11,, NHEAD, FORM IBM, AT PR33' 0002: PRINTER ON 0003: * 0004: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):E 0005: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):f100Y 0006: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):f0X 0007: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):a540h780V 0008: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):*t300R 0009: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):*r100A 0010: EXECUTE SH -c 'lp -d PR33 /area1/dh.temp/M100_3Logo.pcl' 0011: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):*rC 0012: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):f100X 0013: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):f4X 0014: PRINT ON 11 THIS IS A TEST OF THE MACRO 0015: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):E 0016: PRINTER OFF 0017: END Thanks in advance for any and all help you can offer. David Hoover _ Create a cool, new character for your Windows Live Messenger. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9656621 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] PCL problem on U2
Also, whip out your hex editor and make sure the PCL is in the correct format. I've had to do that even when using the converter. Let us know how you finally get it to work. On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Colin Alfke alfke...@hotmail.com wrote: David; It looks like you're missing the point of the macro - simply load it into the printer once and print multiple times. Your converter may allow you to load it to the printer, otherwise you actually copy it to the printer (not print it). Under Windows we simply: EXECUTE !COPY /B \UD\LOGOS\LOGO.MAC \\UNCPathToPrinter Sorry, not sure of the Linux syntax. It only needs to be done when the printer is powered off an loses the macro so you can do it from a screen etc. Although we have one very distributed site that preferred we send the macro before the print job to make sure it was there. In your code you simply do a: PRINT CHAR(27):'f':LOGONUM:'y2X' to print the logo. This simply specifies and executes the macro. hth Colin Alfke Calgary, Canada From: David Hoover I am trying to place a logo that is stored at /area1/dh.temp/M100_3Logo.pcl on a form that I am creating in PCL5. I have no problem with the shading, boxes, or data. I am having a problem getting the logo to be printed. Base information: OS - RedHat Linux Running U2 Printer is IBM InfoPrint 1464 Color Logo file original name: 3Logo.jpg After running thru IPX20xx converter from IBM: M100_3Logo.pcl (Set this up as Macro 100) Here's the code that I am currently trying to work with: 0001: EXECUTE 'SETPTR 11,, NHEAD, FORM IBM, AT PR33' 0002: PRINTER ON 0003: * 0004: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):E 0005: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):f100Y 0006: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):f0X 0007: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):a540h780V 0008: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):*t300R 0009: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):*r100A 0010: EXECUTE SH -c 'lp -d PR33 /area1/dh.temp/M100_3Logo.pcl' 0011: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):*rC 0012: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):f100X 0013: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):f4X 0014: PRINT ON 11 THIS IS A TEST OF THE MACRO 0015: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):E 0016: PRINTER OFF 0017: END Thanks in advance for any and all help you can offer. David Hoover _ Create a cool, new character for your Windows Live Messenger. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9656621 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] PCL problem on U2
Wol stated: This is sending the logo as a DIFFERENT print job. That's your problem. You can use the OPEN option in SETPTR to accumulate multiple print jobs into the same print file before closing the print file. hth, Dave Dave Taylor Sysmark Information Systems, Inc. Authorized IBM Business Partner 49 Aspen Way Rolling Hills Estates, CA 90274 (O) 800-SYSMARK (800-797-6275) (F) 310-377-3550 (C) 310-561-5200 www.sysmarkinfo.com Home of SpoolerPlus - Original Message - From: Anthony W. Youngman u...@thewolery.demon.co.uk To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [U2] PCL problem on U2 In message e8209a9427264095bc3fe78d6908d...@it3, David Hoover dhoo...@illinoislock.com writes I am trying to place a logo that is stored at /area1/dh.temp/M100_3Logo.pcl on a form that I am creating in PCL5. I have no problem with the shading, boxes, or data. I am having a problem getting the logo to be printed. Base information: OS - RedHat Linux Running U2 Printer is IBM InfoPrint 1464 Color Logo file original name: 3Logo.jpg After running thru IPX20xx converter from IBM: M100_3Logo.pcl (Set this up as Macro 100) Here's the code that I am currently trying to work with: 0001: EXECUTE 'SETPTR 11,, NHEAD, FORM IBM, AT PR33' 0002: PRINTER ON 0003: * 0004: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):E 0005: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):f100Y 0006: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):f0X 0007: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):a540h780V 0008: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):*t300R 0009: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):*r100A Okay, this is setting up your print job ... 0010: EXECUTE SH -c 'lp -d PR33 /area1/dh.temp/M100_3Logo.pcl' This is sending the logo as a DIFFERENT print job. That's your problem. I'm not sure how you'll fix this, but you need to read the logo file into U2, and then dump it to your print job without the binary getting corrupted. The other way to do it (I'm pretty sure it's possible but I've never done it) is to download the logo to the printer as a logo or font or whatever, then have a code in your print job to print the prestored logo. Cheers, Wol -- Anthony W. Youngman pi...@thewolery.demon.co.uk 'Yings, yow graley yin! Suz ae rikt dheu,' said the blue man, taking the thimble. 'What *is* he?' said Magrat. 'They're gnomes,' said Nanny. The man lowered the thimble. 'Pictsies!' Carpe Jugulum, Terry Pratchett 1998 Visit the MaVerick web-site - http://www.maverick-dbms.org Open Source Pick --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] PCL problem on U2
That's true! I didn't look at his code. Does he have to print it from outsided U2? Dave Dave Taylor Sysmark Information Systems, Inc. Authorized IBM Business Partner 49 Aspen Way Rolling Hills Estates, CA 90274 (O) 800-SYSMARK (800-797-6275) (F) 310-377-3550 (C) 310-561-5200 www.sysmarkinfo.com - Original Message - From: Anthony W. Youngman u...@thewolery.demon.co.uk To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [U2] PCL problem on U2 In message 87e76198607940c7b663e669a8fc1...@w2kappserver, Dave Taylor sysm...@worldnet.att.net writes Wol stated: This is sending the logo as a DIFFERENT print job. That's your problem. You can use the OPEN option in SETPTR to accumulate multiple print jobs into the same print file before closing the print file. But to do that, you need to send everything from inside U2. If you look at what he's doing, he's actually sending the logo by calling the unix lp command... U2 doesn't get a look-in ... hth, Dave hth Wol -- Anthony W. Youngman pi...@thewolery.demon.co.uk 'Yings, yow graley yin! Suz ae rikt dheu,' said the blue man, taking the thimble. 'What *is* he?' said Magrat. 'They're gnomes,' said Nanny. The man lowered the thimble. 'Pictsies!' Carpe Jugulum, Terry Pratchett 1998 Visit the MaVerick web-site - http://www.maverick-dbms.org Open Source Pick --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] PCL problem on U2
All of the other comments look right on. In addition to reworking to those suggestions, I'm also thinking there is a CRLF at the end of each of your lines which may affect processing of the commands. I'd build the entire string and then output with a single PRINT. I haven't touched this stuff in years, sorry if it's correct. Having said that, I'd rather stick an ice pick in my eye than write PCL. There are many tools available where you can just use an HTML-like image tag, and as time permits I recommend you look into them: img src=/area1/.../Logo.gif / HTH Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com Nebula RD sells mv.NET and other Pick/MultiValue products worldwide, and provides related development services Visit PickWiki.com! Contribute! 0004: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):E 0005: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):f100Y 0006: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):f0X 0007: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):a540h780V 0008: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):*t300R 0009: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):*r100A 0010: EXECUTE SH -c 'lp -d PR33 /area1/dh.temp/M100_3Logo.pcl' 0011: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):*rC 0012: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):f100X 0013: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):f4X 0014: PRINT ON 11 THIS IS A TEST OF THE MACRO 0015: PRINT ON 11 CHAR(27):E --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
