Re: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread)

2004-04-20 Thread Jon Wells 
Ross,

We do have Mac's here, around 30%.  We have some Linux desktops as 
well.  We even have at least one Mac with Linux loaded.  Currently our 
Mac's run Comet to telnet into our system.  The GUI our vendor expects us 
to use is Wintegrate based.  It is absolutely terrible for heads down data 
entry and it does not work on Mac's.  The interface that H  R Block has 
uses standard heads down keystrokes, handles type-ahead well, while 
enjoying the benefits of a GUI.  The contrast to our GUI is, well...  I'm 
jealous.

At 10:35 PM 4/19/2004, you wrote:
Anyone up for a little straw poll ?

A recurrent theme that I see played out in this  related forums is the 
well, does it run on MAC or Linux on the Desktop question. Often, when 
asked, the people that raised the issue don't have either platform in 
their installation - it is merely a standard question that they feel 
compelled to ask ?!?

Maybe it is just me - I don't live in the big smoke - but (to date) I 
simply haven't seen any significant demand for workstation support (GUI or 
CUI) outside of windows.

SO, I think to myself, I wonder what the REAL numbers are - I mean theory 
is one thing, but how do the numbers stack up in the real world? How many 
people are there that actually do use, or WANT to use (I'm talking 
management want here, not the gee, if I had my way kind of thing) 
non-windows platforms on the desktop ?.

I'm happy to kick it off. Of the (application) systems that we have 
installed over the years, discounting green screens, we have deployed to 
probably around 1,500 workstation devices -- all Windows (even back as 
far as 3.11)

I've had the Mac option raised twice - I remember each one clearly ! 
Once at a printers (who are 'big' MAC users traditionally) for 3 devices, 
and once at a distribution company where the owner had a MAC at home he 
wanted to use remotely  that's it - potential market 4 out of around 1,500.

Any other takers ? I need to point out that I'm not LOOKING for 
exceptions, merely the state of the desktop, so if you only have Wintel 
desktops, please step up  be counted - and if there is a vast ocean of 
hidden MAC and Linux desktops out there, please identify yourself 

Ross Ferris
Stamina Software
Visage ­ an Evolution in Software Development


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RE: Database decoupling (Was: Future of U2)

2004-04-19 Thread Jon Wells 
Sounds a bit like the Coyote Web Server [ http://coyote.easyco.com/ ] This 
functionality would be a great thing to add to the Maverick project.

 At 07:41 AM 4/17/2004, you wrote:
That's my point.  In one sense I see what Will means. There are a lot of U2
shops out there that are happy as can be with what they have.
However I've also had experience on several sites where the company has
considered the U2 application a 'silo' application that is holding them back
technology wise.
Now, a lot of that can be resolved by throwing up Tomcat and UOJ and 'bam' -
their old U2 app is suddenly capable of doing anything modern technology
offers.
So. It would be nice to do away with the necessity to add something like
Tomcat. Don't you think?
We've had some great recent additions to client type utilities in the form
of callHTTP and the SOAP client. Now lets see U2 mature into a modern day
application server.


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