[ubuntu-art] Backgrounds Wiki Policy (was: Human Helix)
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 23:22 +0100, Kenneth Wimer wrote: You should create a concept page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Lucid It allows for a discussion, progress reports, etc. This would break current policy of no wallpapers on the wiki as agreed on during UDS. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Lucid#No%20Wallpapers%20on% 20the%20wiki,%20use%20Flickr! It could be changed to say that wallpapers will only be selected from flickr and that the wiki should only be used if you really want discussion and if there will be several versions. We could also say that adding a page for a wallpaper requires explicit permission. With or without permission required, the rules would be much more complicated and thus more likely to not be understood/followed/enforced. Note that this time, I'm not available to set up and keep an eye on a possible Backgrounds section. The alternative would be to say that discussions about backgrounds have to happen here on this list and be done with it. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Backgrounds Wiki Policy (was: Human Helix)
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:14 AM, Thorsten Wilms t...@freenet.de wrote: The alternative would be to say that discussions about backgrounds have to happen here on this list and be done with it. -- Thorsten Wilms I support this for two reasons, setting up and maintaining a wiki page, has always seemed to be rather tedious for the artist as well as the commenter/critiquer. As an example: the artist has to upload both the file, and the preview of that file, to make a clickable preview, that does not stretch the page, and quite often the preview really does the wallpaper no justice. For the commenter, I feel that there is no way to know when some has responded to the critique/question, nevermind the trouble leaving some contact info. I am a huge noob at wiki editing, so if any of that is wrong please set me right. All these problems are avoided in the mailing list, artist can attach svgs, and other files directly. Updates are automatically brought up to be reviewed/mocked. Older files are also kept in the attachments.The commenters can remain active in the discussion, and their critique is properly attributed. Separate discussions and ideas (like this one) can pinch off in a new thread. The other/other viable solution would be to use the Ubuntu forums art subforum, to host the files, with the discussion happening here. -- Saleel -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Backgrounds Wiki Policy (was: Human Helix)
On Thursday 03 December 2009 12:14:58 pm Thorsten Wilms wrote: On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 23:22 +0100, Kenneth Wimer wrote: You should create a concept page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Lucid It allows for a discussion, progress reports, etc. This would break current policy of no wallpapers on the wiki as agreed on during UDS. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Lucid#No%20Wallpapers%20on% 20the%20wiki,%20use%20Flickr! Ouch, I didn't realize we agreed on that :p It could be changed to say that wallpapers will only be selected from flickr and that the wiki should only be used if you really want discussion and if there will be several versions. We could also say that adding a page for a wallpaper requires explicit permission. With or without permission required, the rules would be much more complicated and thus more likely to not be understood/followed/enforced. Note that this time, I'm not available to set up and keep an eye on a possible Backgrounds section. The alternative would be to say that discussions about backgrounds have to happen here on this list and be done with it. I think we need to sum up what came out of the UDS discussion and post it clearly to this list so that everyone understands. I'll do that later today or early tomorrow. -- Kenneth -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Backgrounds Wiki Policy (was: Human Helix)
On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 07:36 -0500, Saleel Velankar wrote: For the commenter, I feel that there is no way to know when some has responded to the critique/question, nevermind the trouble leaving some contact info. I am a huge noob at wiki editing, so if any of that is wrong please set me right. Well, you can subscribe to a page (or all pages below a page) and receive notifications on changes. Not exactly comfortable compared to a list. (However, there ate no notifications on adding/deleting attachments.) The other/other viable solution would be to use the Ubuntu forums art subforum, to host the files, with the discussion happening here. Forums seem to invite single-line comments and bad quoting habits ... -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Backgrounds Wiki Policy (was: Human Helix)
On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 15:20 +0100, Kenneth Wimer wrote: On Thursday 03 December 2009 12:14:58 pm Thorsten Wilms wrote: This would break current policy of no wallpapers on the wiki as agreed on during UDS. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Lucid#No%20Wallpapers%20on% 20the%20wiki,%20use%20Flickr! Ouch, I didn't realize we agreed on that :p We agreed on selecting only on flickr and explicitly stating so on the wiki, at least. Quite a while before UDS, I added the statement to the wiki, informed you and got no complaints at all. I said we should outright reject wallpapers on the wiki to not confuse anyone. There was no opposition and my impression was that Ivanka and you, Kenneth, were OK with that, but it wasn't noted in the Gobby doc. So there, we only have: Be explicit about the fact that submissions on the wiki will not be included, as seen on: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Lucid/Wallpaper_Contest_Planning My main concern here is that one path is chosen and followed through the whole cycle, so negative surprises are avoided. My other concern is that I never again want to deal the wiki surge protection warning. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Backgrounds Wiki Policy (was: Human Helix)
My other concern is that I never again want to deal the wiki surge protection warning. This is a great thing IMO. I remember trying to upload to the wiki and getting multiple surge protection warnings, as well as when I was just trying to view the other submissions... The only problem with flickr is that people without pro accounts are limited to a non-current-desktop resolution size.. Would the desktop selectors care about those size issues? Are they able to contact flickr users to request larger sizes? -Chris -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Backgrounds Wiki Policy (was: Human Helix)
On Thursday 03 December 2009 07:42:14 pm Chris Tooley wrote: My other concern is that I never again want to deal the wiki surge protection warning. This is a great thing IMO. I remember trying to upload to the wiki and getting multiple surge protection warnings, as well as when I was just trying to view the other submissions... The only problem with flickr is that people without pro accounts are limited to a non-current-desktop resolution size.. Would the desktop selectors care about those size issues? Are they able to contact flickr users to request larger sizes? We included any size for the first round. Then we emailed everyone to get permission, larger sizes, etc. I think that the wiki should be used more for project pages. So if you really want to have an ongoing discussion in which several people take part and work together toward some design goal the wiki is the place for you. The backgrounds are best kept in one place and currently flickr is simply the best free alternative we have that already draws large numbers of contributors. -- Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
