Re: [ubuntu-art] Improving What We Do!
On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 22:06 -0400, John Baer wrote: My observation of the Art Team is there is room for improvement and turning things around in a positive manner may not be as hard as it appears. Fundamentally we lack a process for success or some may argue we simply lack a process. Motivation, direction, process, I'd say. It still looks like many lost interest when it became clear that the Ubuntu default theme and wallpaper is off-limits. It would be up to representatives of Xubuntu/Edubuntu/Lubuntu to make those projects appear attractive to contributors in the design realm. Regarding themes, I really wonder why anyone should tie his efforts there to Ubuntu (except for modifying the Ambiance/Radiance themes). The best case is filling a real need. This is why I would like to see more happen with requests. To go out there and improve things that don't look right should also happen more, but there's not much standing in the way except a lack of initiative. 1. Initiate 2. Construct/build 3. Release This is so general, it can't happen any way, so the one thing it does say is that you are not done before a release. The goal is to provide quality artwork in a manner which adds value to the Ubuntu community. * The term Ubuntu community also includes the derivatives. The objective is to use a flexible process which encourages inclusion, provides recognition of effort, and facilitates collaboration to achieve the desired result. BTW, I edited https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork recently. Nitpicking: the process is not an objective, but a tool. To facilitate collaboration can be an objective. To begin the dialog and to move this effort along I created a Wiki page here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Documentation/Blueprint My assumption is we really don't need to build anything, just use the tools available. For example use the Art Team Launchpad Blueprint tool as our “job queue”. I saw enough traces of people not understanding how to use the wiki, attaching images to random pages without telling anyone, struggling with the markup. Then you can bet there are many others out there who don't even try to use it. Heck, I developed a disdain for the wiki, seeing how confusing editing long pages is, how ridiculously laborious it is to add images, especially with thumbnails, how insufficient the hierarchical structure is ... We should have WYSIWYG editing, where you can put images right into place, with automatic thumbnail generation. Including previews for SVGs. Finally, the wiki is full of pages that never fulfilled a real purpose, documenting concepts and drafts that went nowhere and hardly anyone even looks at them. We should discourage a continuation of this waste of effort. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Improving What We Do!
On Thu, 2010-10-14 at 00:36 -0400, Martin Owens wrote: If there aren't enough people at UDS from the Art Team, then we may end up having to have a real meeting. Jonathan Carter, Vishnoo and I will be there. My first thoughts on this team is that we need real software to manage job requests, announcements (blogs/feeds etc) and submissions. The wiki is a stop gap in my opinion which needs a nice and healthy replacement. I agree and know Vish does, too. The only thing that could remain on the wiki would be documentation, but rather not if we can have WYSWYG editing with good image support. There is no shortage of candidates and we could move more towards debian with cchost or more towards fedora with (er, I forget the name) with their art management software. We have lots of choice here and I'd be happy to head it up and collect together requirements. The name is DesignHub. Thoughts/Requirements = Presence: Get a summary post onto Planet Ubuntu once a week. Landing page: * Leads the visitor to other sections: * Request design/artwork * How to create / get involved * Upload * View/discuss/get Accounts and permissions: * Can we reuse LP accounts? * 3 levels: visitor, contributor, admin? Submitting: * Automatic thumbnail generation (including previews for SVGs) * Enforce a minimum size of uploads (for wallpapers) maybe even one of a list of fixed resolutions/aspect-ratios * Mandatory specification of a license and author(s) * Manage source files such as SVG and XCF * Link derivatives to originals Navigation: * Categories/Tagging * photo vs abstract * Ubuntu derivative and release (optional) * Gallery pages with filtering/search Comments: * Comments per submission, ideally nested Notifications: * Email, RSS, microblogging? * On additions, edits, comments * Filtering per category, white/black-listing Versioning: * Could we tie into LP, or use bzr or git otherwise? * Mark comments as referring to a specific version Bonus: * Link with Flickr. Search both on the site and within the Flickr pool at once * Add notes or scribble on top of images to provide clear feedback * Etherpad-style concurrent realtime editing -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Improving What We Do!
On 10.14 2010 04:46, Thorsten Wilms wrote: It still looks like many lost interest when it became clear that the Ubuntu default theme and wallpaper is off-limits. It would be up to representatives of Xubuntu/Edubuntu/Lubuntu to make those projects appear attractive to contributors in the design realm. I would say this is one thing that killed it for me. It really feels like anything we do here is ignored or put off in some dark corner. If this is not the case, then I have been mislead.. I haven't been active on the list because of this impression I have. That said, I haven't left the e-mail list in hopes that this could change. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] [Ayatana] Meerkat volume control design
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dylan McCall wrote on 13/10/10 18:08: ... Right now a regular menu item is used as a title in one place (Rhythmbox), and an action in another (Mute). The font and spacing is identical in both cases. ... It's an action in both cases. - -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAky20lgACgkQ6PUxNfU6ecqqMACgysAkrpBacDxuDhokCmCX7tne scIAmwcDq8ibQ/N7FxDUHekMxXIW28lk =pkAk -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Improving What We Do!
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 5:01 AM, Hrafn Nordhri hr...@hrafnsvartr.comwrote: On 10.14 2010 04:46, Thorsten Wilms wrote: It still looks like many lost interest when it became clear that the Ubuntu default theme and wallpaper is off-limits. It would be up to representatives of Xubuntu/Edubuntu/Lubuntu to make those projects appear attractive to contributors in the design realm. I would say this is one thing that killed it for me. It really feels like anything we do here is ignored or put off in some dark corner. If this is not the case, then I have been mislead.. I haven't been active on the list because of this impression I have. That said, I haven't left the e-mail list in hopes that this could change. Hi, please don't let that scare you off. In the last few releases the community has had a greater impact. The flickr pool backgrounds, dust, and new wave are all from the community. Icons are always in demand. Also, the software center provides an opportunity for community themes to get increased visibility. Do it because you love to do it and share your work, not because you want to be the default desktop experience. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter An investment in knowledge pays the best interest. -Benjamin Franklin -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Improving What We Do! (Martin Owens)
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 5:48 AM, ubuntu-art-requ...@lists.ubuntu.comwrote: Message: 3 From: Martin Owens docto...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Improving What We Do! On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 22:06 -0400, John Baer wrote: Martin you stated in a post on 10/07 your intent to attend UDS. Sadly I can not join you but I and others would like to contribute to discussions in some other manner. I share the same time zone as UDS but I am generally unavailable during the day. Perhaps some impromptu evening meetings on the IRC would be beneficial. :) If there aren't enough people at UDS from the Art Team, then we may end up having to have a real meeting. My first thoughts on this team is that we need real software to manage job requests, announcements (blogs/feeds etc) and submissions. The wiki is a stop gap in my opinion which needs a nice and healthy replacement. There is no shortage of candidates and we could move more towards debian with cchost or more towards fedora with (er, I forget the name) with their art management software. We have lots of choice here and I'd be happy to head it up and collect together requirements. Martin, Martin, I like what I see with ccHost and there may be expertise ( *Bryce? ) *to help mold it into a useful tool. The openclipart site looked good ( http://www.openclipart.org/ ). However, a couple of questions come to mind. 1. Will Canonical host it? If not, then who? 2. What does Canonical plan to do with the current Wiki and when. John -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Improving What We Do! (Thorsten Wilms)
Thorsten, Thanks for all your comments. I certainly understand your frustration with the Wiki. I wonder how the Ubuntu Weekly News Team feel about the tool? They submit a lot of wiki content. As for the Artwork Team, if the wiki went away what impact would it have? John -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
