Re: [ubuntu-art] Updating homepage

2011-04-28 Thread Alan Pope
On 28 April 2011 11:37, Priya Ranjan Singh m...@priyaranjan.net wrote:
 Ubuntu Natty has released

No. It hasn't.

Al.

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[ubuntu-art] Looking forwards not back.

2011-04-28 Thread Saleel Velankar
I know we kinda fell apart through the last cycle. Well these things happen.

Looking forwards I would like to suggest this:

1. A regular meeting, every so often during the oneiric cycle.
2. We move away from wallpaper, interface artwork, into more of the promo
artwork

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Looking forwards not back.

2011-04-28 Thread Saleel Velankar
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Martin Owens docto...@gmail.com wrote:

 This needs the help of the community council to sort out first.
 Otherwise there will always be intense mistrust from members who abide
 the code of conduct and those who don't.

 Martin,

 Fine, we need a new team leader as well. I don't want to miss another
cycle. I hate being subscribed here and not feeling useful.
Until we get the council to sort it all out, lets have a discussion about
what we want to do with this group. Lets be proactive.

Nothing binding. just reestablish contact, and brainstorm a little. Instead
of relying on what kinds of skillset we currently have lets try to figure
out what skillsets we want/need to attract. We have a small window before
uds, so that if there is any discussion at uds it wont have to start from
scratch.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Updating homepage

2011-04-28 Thread Сергей
Back to topic... Ubuntu start page has numerous bugs, like lack of
localization support, no session restore button, ugly 404 error if you start
firefox with search plugin set to sites other than Google or Yahoo etc.
Nobody seems to care. I personally had a bad experience with having my fixes
for it accepted in the package, but it could be my fault. AFAIK you should
contact Ubuntu Mozilla Team about these issues, this list deals mostly with
artwork.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Looking forwards not back.

2011-04-28 Thread Сергей

 Fine, we need a new team leader as well. I don't want to miss another
 cycle. I hate being subscribed here and not feeling useful.

+1
In Elementary, DanRabbit is a leader that does awesome things which inspire
other people. He seems to be a good coordinator too. As a result, everyone
is extremely productive. I wish we had something similar in this team.
Elementary currently faces a different problem - bringing new contributors,
but that's another story.

We need more coordination as well. Just look at the EPIC FAIL of Free
Culture Showcase during the Natty cycle. Look at
http://design.canonical.com/2011/01/free-culture-showcase/ announcing that
the submitted works should be about freedom, and
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFreeCultureShowcase that doesn't mention
anything about that, and my
commenthttp://design.canonical.com/2011/01/free-culture-showcase/comment-page-1/#comment-12899pointing
this out simply ignored. Look at the countdown banners being
advised to not over-emphasize narwhal graphics, and then the community
wallpaper selection...

Finally, the infamous http://www.flickr.com/groups/uawt-10-0/pool/ contains
pieces of art that make Ubuntu's default wallpaper fade in comparison. But
look what was picked for inclusion in the distro! (I personally want to
award everybody who didn't give up after THAT with an Ubuntu Faith Award and
make a low bow to each them). Community is the power that sets Ubuntu apart
from everything else - apple, M$, other distros, whatever. Until Canonical
recognize Ubuntu's creative community as a power and learn to use it, they
will never have better artwork than M$ or Apple just because their resources
are very limited in comparison with those multi-billion corporations.

The problem is not only inside this team IMO.* If anybody would want to get
good artwork from the community, not to put a check in the TODO list, nobody
would care what flickr group it's submitted to. *Neither they would be so
thoughtless in selecting community wallpapers, to the point where the whole
thing seems like another checkbox in a TODO. Neither would they so poorly
maintain the info intended to direct community contributions (examples
above). Damn, Canonical needs to finally realize that creative community is
an enormous power that they can use [almost] for free if they just want to!
I understand the Design Team consists of quite busy designers with tons of
their own work and interacting with the community is their spare-time hobby
at best. They don't have any experience or skills of interacting with a
community, and that's absolutely OK because they're not intended to. But
somebody has to do it if they want to get anything from the community at
all, right?

BTW, a nice post on the topic:
http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2011/03/10/design-boost/

Respectfully
Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Looking forwards not back.

2011-04-28 Thread Martin Owens
On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 12:39 -0400, Saleel Velankar wrote:
 Fine, we need a new team leader as well. I don't want to miss another
 cycle. I hate being subscribed here and not feeling useful.
 Until we get the council to sort it all out, lets have a discussion
 about
 what we want to do with this group. Lets be proactive.

Will you be leader?

Martin,


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Looking forwards not back.

2011-04-28 Thread Vishnoo
On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 15:22 -0400, Martin Owens wrote:
 On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 12:39 -0400, Saleel Velankar wrote:
  Fine, we need a new team leader as well. I don't want to miss another
  cycle. I hate being subscribed here and not feeling useful.
  Until we get the council to sort it all out, lets have a discussion
  about
  what we want to do with this group. Lets be proactive.
 
 Will you be leader?
 
 Martin,

I'd +1 Saleel if he'd want to lead ..

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