Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Hola Tom ! you've got it ! Linux/Ubuntu's big weakness: too many choices ! Me? I use 3 different music players, 3 different browsers, and many different image display apps. Why? Because it's there ! AllenGG On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Tom tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: There's a shiny new toy, i want, i want, i want. There's another new toy, i want, i want, i want. It's really bad there are so many shiny new toys. Please stop it!! Force me to keep using the old one i hid in the cupboard. Linux should not allow so many choices! It should be more like Windows. On the other hand i will be quite glad to settle people down on 10.04LTS and let them rest there for a few years. I stuck with 9.04 for about a year. There's still 9months support for it so even now i don't HAVE to upgrade. To upgrade i test a LiveCd of it https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCD try it on a small partition away from my main stable install https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot and than decide whether to commit to it or use a separate /home Oh, dang it, more choices!! Here's this link again http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm Regards from Tom :) -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Invalid Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: Invalid Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: Incomplete Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: In Progress Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Confirmed Status in “linux” package in Debian: Confirmed Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: New Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Use Ubuntu, a free world , without windows or doors, and no viruses and spyware ! http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Hola gang ! If you have problems please switch to Ubuntu Forums, very helpful, and try the search feature ! The Ubuntu Forum Community - Ubuntu Forumshttp://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=130 AllenGG On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 10:43 PM, IDWMaster web...@elcnet.servehttp.comwrote: Thanks! Had no idea these recovery tools existed! Sounds really easy to recover a corrupt filesystem; especially since it doesn't appear to be a hardware fault (although it could be defective RAM too; so I'll have him run memtest86+). -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Invalid Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: Invalid Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Ubuntu: Incomplete Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: In Progress Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Confirmed Status in “linux” package in Debian: Confirmed Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: New Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Good point Pako ! If you have tried Vista, you understand ! If you try Win 7, good luck. In future we will be paying for some specialised programming, and businesses can live with that. Ubuntu is spreading only because it works. Me? using Ubuntu for 5 years (or 6?) On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Pako elektroban...@gmail.com wrote: Time will pass and more and more OEMs will ship Linux as main OS, and that's a fact. Linux on Desktop? IMO Desktop OS should give people oportunity to do their profesional stuffs like 3D, Audio Mixing, Video Editing etc. not only internet and basic programs. I think Ubuntu is competing with a wrong competitor that is already beaten in terms of speed, security and stability. The main competitors should be the companies who play the huge role in Graphic, Audio and Video environments. Internet only Users? They don't care about their OS. By the way Avatar is rendered on Ubuntu, that's the real power that Linux can bring to desktop, but how many people knows it? I think that Ubuntu Studio is on the right way. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Invalid Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: Invalid Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Ubuntu: Incomplete Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: In Progress Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Confirmed Status in “linux” package in Debian: Confirmed Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: New Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Hello Freidrich ! First, all operating systems have bugs. Probably Ubuntu is one of the best versions of Linux, but it is not, and never will be, completely free of bugs. Most are minor. Some O/S's are littered with bugs, many crucial and painful. For example Windows Vista. On comparison Ubuntu is much safer and far more bug-free than Vista. You will see advertisements in every media for Windows 7, all of the line was done by numerical code. Is 7 great ? Who knows, maybe. If, yes IF, the Linux community wanted to ante up millions of dollars, Euros, Pounds, Yen , Pesos etc to advertise Linux this whole situation would change quickly. IF, we all donated $50, or E50 etc, we could launch an ad campaign. So, it's about money. Base Linux O/S's are free. You can pay for support, customising etc. So, your problem with one bug should be addressed in Launchpad. Tell me, is there something similar in Microsoft or Apple ? Allengg On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Friedrich Strohmaier ubuntu_b...@bits-fritz.de wrote: Fixing this bug needs fixing of other severe bugs! One of them: Bug #255008 is marked as won't fix. There are a lot of duplicates and it is reported to affect lucid lynx as well (even if filed against intrepid ibex). Shure every one's bug is the most important (I'm no exception :o))), but this one affects basic keyboardmapping in X-environment. The keyboard up to now is the main interface to do things on a computer. Not properly working keyboard means not properly working ubuntu! I repeat in this place: Everyone with a xmodmap customized keyboard mapping doing a LTS upgrade will run in unusable keyboard! here my resume (which took me 2 days of searching): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/255008/comments/129 If I did severe mistakes bringing this up - please point me out how to do better! :o)) -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
It is very good to hear from an average user. His complaints are standard fare, ones that we have heard repeatedly, and perhaps a few that need to be addressed. First: to Bob. Linux is free, no need to buy anything, therefore no funds generated fpr marketing support. Microsoft is one of the world's best marketing companies, and generates huge profits. Next: the question Bob failed to ask, why do people use Linux ? Because it's free ? No, Bob, you can buy some versions of Linux, but you are really buying support. Default Ubuntu !! very catchy, but to implement Ubuntu to use as Bob wanted, requires some reading. OK Bob, last year one of my computers overheated, dirty fan, poor cooling etc, so I had another one built. (and yes I have no problem building my own) At the computer shop, here in Mazatlan Mexico, they asked me if I wanted Windows installed, and they would do it for free. Very amusing. I returned the system to my home office (soho) and turned it on, took a CD with Ubuntu 8.04, and was up and running , on the 'net in 12 minutes, then downloading additional programs. At one time I ran 2 computer shops, and the best we ever did was 30 minutes. With me so far ? Next major addition was Open Office, which is far superior to MS Office, and faster. Now, Bob, I will deal with the real problem that irks me.Choices !!! Far too many. There are no music programs available that I can not play ! All of the movie formats are playable. At any time I can run 2, or 3 browsers,it's a fun thing! But, some reading is required. Whereas if you fail to read the fine print in MS Windows, look out ! With MS Windows you are guaranteed to get viruses. If you use the Internet a lot, or leave your machine on all of the time it will become a BOT, Such fun. Personally, I have stopped fixing friends machines that use MS Windows. One had 27 viruses, they said it was a little slow But I have installed Ubuntu on countless machines, so I don't have to go and fix the (expletive) viruses. So, here's the truth Bob: Ubuntu is superior to MS Windows. There are some programs , like Adobe Photoshop, that are not available for free. But, as one instructor, a professional web designer pointed out, GIMP is far superior and very complicated, which is why Ubuntu includes F-Spot . To quote Bob: until then im afraid i have to keep using windows as my primary os, My guess is that Bob probably uses IE8 as well. see : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1385256 Yes, Bob, you can take courses in some community colleges that will help you with Ubuntu or any version of Linux. There is another concern that Bob did not address, one that I have heard far too often. you Linux geeks think that you're smarter than the rest of us OK. By not getting viruses, have a huge number of programs available and using a secure system makes me a geek', so be it. AllenGG On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Bob! lerr...@hotmail.com wrote: can i just say that windows has majority market share for a reason. imho ubuntu isnt nearly as good in a number of areas the concern the average user. for a start it isnt even possible to listen to mp3's or watch movies in default ubuntu. windows is popular because well 1 as it is already popular people just goto it and its in computer stores as default etc but 2. because anything u can do on any other operating system u can do on windows... play games, what have you. afaik no other OS can really make that claim. from my experiances with linux / windows i would personally say it works better out of the box aswell, which the average user (and me) like. i installed vista on my mothers computer and it didnt even need video drivers to run aero get hardware acceleration or play most simpler 3d games, the audio was nice and came with an equalizer etc by default. linux on the other hand has outdated, imo poorly supported device drivers, i had problems with jacksense and i couldnt even find a basic equalizer or what have you. imo linux will start earning more market share when it can compete on the same grounds as windows, and do more than what windows can do - preferably better. until then im afraid i have to keep using windows as my primary os, linux seems alright but it doesnt do everything i want it to - let alone easily. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Invalid Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: In Progress Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: Invalid Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Confirmed Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: In Progress Status
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Thanks for your comments John, (see his blog: http://john-os.blogspot.com/ ) Some of us here see things a little differently. First, although Microsoft Corp., is not evil please ask yourself why so many fines and lawsuits have gone against the company in the last 5 years see: http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=2005010107100653 Next, let me assure you that most of us are not zealots, but open-minded people that desire a choice, an operating system that is well written, and to go through life without the harassment that the likes of Microsoft, burden us with. Open source as you advocate is much more that just revealing the code in a program. First, the overwhelming problem created by the U.S. Patent Office and the long line of lawsuits initiated by Patent Trolls, is the real and basic problem. Most of us laud Microsoft for its' achievements, but are repulsed by some of its' tactics. Until the Patent System can change we will operate as a group seeking change, and hope that the current U.S. president has more common sense than his two predecessors. In the meantime John, keep up the good work, update your blog, and look at Ubuntu 8.10, Intrepid Ibex, it is the torch bearer of change ! Allengg On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 11:33 PM, John Pyper jpy...@gmail.com wrote: @Draeath: If this bug did not exist, the Linux movement as we know it today wouldn't exist or at least would be scattered and not really have any support behind it. Microsoft and/or Windows is not bad or evil, it's just that Microsoft has this notion of bullying the OEMs to make hardware that works only with their platform or locks the OEMs into ungodly ridiculous contracts to include their operating system with new systems. Some manufacturers have decided to release systems with Ubuntu on them as test runs. Most notably, Dell, has it available for their low end notebooks and netbooks. I work for a sub-division of Dell called Managed Services. We have seen some of our customers request Ubuntu or other distributions of Linux to be included with their system purchases because they read on the net that Windows is always being attacked by a virus, trojan, malware or something similar. All in all, Canonical's movement with Ubuntu to 'fix' the BUG 1 problem is mostly to make normal end users aware that there is choice of operating systems available and advocate the freedom of software choice. I don't agree with this whole Linux vs Windows war and I do not support it one bit. I build systems to economically meet the customer's needs. If they want Windows to play the new games, I make it happen. I even make them aware that they can have an option to dual boot their system with Windows and Ubutu. I setup the Ubuntu installation using WUBI so that they can't do any damage to their system. Not satisified with Ubuntu? Boot Windows and uninstall it or delete the c:\Ubuntu directory and be done with it. It's all about having a choice. Demonstrate to people this freedom and let them make the final decision. I've babbled enough. Now it's your turn to exercise your right and make a decision in which direction you want to go. ***NOTE*** The words that I say in this message are not representing or endorsed by Dell in any way. These are my personal views. John Pyper Dell | Managed Services http://john-os.blogspot.com/ BaD_CrC on Freenode IRC Twitter: http://twitter.com/jpyper On 2/17/09, Draeath drae...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, this bug simply existing, certainly shows a lot of professionalism. I vote this bug be removed. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Confirmed Status in JAK LINUX: Confirmed Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: Invalid Status in Launchpad Translations: Invalid Status in Tabuntu: Confirmed Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in bum source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in casper source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in djplay source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in firefox source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in ubuntu-express source package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in The Breezy Badger: Invalid Status in The Dapper Drake: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Confirmed Status in linux source package in Debian: Confirmed Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
*And is there a business plan that involves making money to pay for advertising ?* Allengg On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Martin Božič martin.bo...@gmail.comwrote: Mozilla had an ad in NYT in 2004 when they released Firefox 1.0, funded by donations FF users. I don't know how much did this add to the actual usage, but in my country there was no ad and we're supposed to be leading one of the leading countries in Europe (in Slovenia above 50% users are using FF). I'm still trying to figure how this happened and if other software could follow the same path. The problem with advertising a Linux distribution is that, every 6 months you get a new release. I think that this would demand an advertising model that even proprietary software companies would have difficulties to keep up with. Maybe every LTS could be advertised in traditional media. The problem is that advertising Ubuntu beyond the circle of computer power users would in a consumer blowback as it recently occured with MSI Wind netbooks and the epic fail of a student with preloaded Ubuntu Dell laptop. It's not that Linux is not ready for the desktop, users are not ready for Linux. And how to make them ready for it is the main question here and the first step towards good advertising of Linux. Martin Dne 23.01.2009 (pet) ob 16:42 + je houstonbofh zapisal(a): jaypmcwilliams wrote: How can we begin advertising LINUX on Radio, TV stores? Please tell me I would be happy to help. The problem is that advertising is expensive. I will spend the money, but only to promote my business. If I promote my business, and some of my vendors, I can get co-op money. There is no Linux co-op money. What we need is a new open source project that does advertising. If every geek sent in a buck, we could do major national adds. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Confirmed Status in JAK LINUX: Confirmed Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: Invalid Status in Launchpad Translations: Invalid Status in Tabuntu: Confirmed Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in bum source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in casper source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in djplay source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in firefox source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in ubuntu-express source package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in The Breezy Badger: Invalid Status in The Dapper Drake: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Confirmed Status in linux source package in Debian: Confirmed Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. -- how to switch to Linux http://www.bmighty.com/hardware_software/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=212900166 http://picasaweb.google.com/allenggraham/Mazatlan# -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
This is an old question, that has many answers. Technically yes. Did you agree to the EULA ? Did you refuse the EULA when prompted ? If you accepted and ran Windows, the answer is no. Did MS Windows come with some original disks and a key ? If not, forget it. Did MS Windows come with recovery disks ? Here it gets tricky. Which country did you purchase the PC ? So, there is no easy answer. Remember, the dealer, the manufacturer all make money on the sale of the O/S. If you buy a PC with Linux installed there is no refund, since the dealer will charge for installation, only. Allengg On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Alexandros alexandros.j...@gmail.comwrote: Is it possible to get your money back from a pre-installed copy of Windows if they came with a new PC? -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Confirmed Status in JAK LINUX: Confirmed Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: Invalid Status in Launchpad Translations: Invalid Status in Tabuntu: Confirmed Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in bum source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in casper source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in djplay source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in firefox source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in ubuntu-express source package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in The Breezy Badger: Invalid Status in The Dapper Drake: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Confirmed Status in linux source package in Debian: Confirmed Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. -- how to switch to Linux http://www.bmighty.com/hardware_software/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=212900166 http://picasaweb.google.com/allenggraham/Mazatlan# -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Important, please read
This popular blog has something to say about UBUNTU, here: 10 Things That WON'T Happen In 2009 | Hardware Software | bMighty.comhttp://www.bmighty.com/hardware_software/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=212700689pgno=4 -- http://picasaweb.google.com/allenggraham/Mazatlan# -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
*Si ! Tiago, y bueno !* On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Tiago Ribeiro zak...@gmail.com wrote: I just offered mentorship to this bug relating the ubuntu-pt team (the Portuguese LoCO team). I use Ubuntu since Dapper Drake (that is 6.06, so June 2006) and only in 2008 I started to write in this forum because it was when I thought I had the required knowledge to it because I never used GNU/Linux before. Now I'll take this step further because this bug affects all distros, so it affects all LoCO teams and I realized that my work made here has not been crap. If any of you can say the opposite, I'll retract my offer of mentorship. In http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mentoring we can read: Mentorship refers to a developmental relationship in which a more experienced person helps a less experienced person, referred to as a protégé, apprentice, mentee, or (person) being mentored, develop in a specified capacity. In https://help.launchpad.net/Teams/Mentoring it says: Choosing a bug or blueprint The first step is to choose a bug or blueprint that you're willing to help a newcomer with. Good candidate bugs and blueprints are: 1. a relatively straightforward piece of work for someone who wants to join one of your teams 2. something you know how to fix or implement 3. relevant to the work of one of one of the teams of which you are a member. About #2. Of course I don't know how to fix or implement this bug. I wish! But I think we are getting there... -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Confirmed Status in JAK LINUX: Confirmed Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: Invalid Status in Launchpad Translations: Invalid Status in Tabuntu: Confirmed Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in bum source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in casper source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in djplay source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in firefox source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in ubuntu-express source package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in The Breezy Badger: Invalid Status in The Dapper Drake: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Confirmed Status in linux source package in Debian: Confirmed Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. -- http://picasaweb.google.com/allenggraham/Mazatlan# -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Hola Kylea RE: myth, banks force users to have Windows license . In the U.S. and Canada NO bank forces anyone to have such a license. But NOTE the sites might say that you have to use IE$,6.7 Phone the bank and ask. Tell them that the security breach is so great that it's a danger to all. *This is well documented.* My bank, here in Mexico, Bancomer (30% owned by a Canadian Bank) runs ALL of it's secure systems on Linux, and access is by any secure browser, Note MS Explorer is NOT considered secure. RE: Lexmark printers, go to Lexmark downloads, they use four (4) different distros of Linux for drivers. The day of MS domination is over. Got a problem, type ubuntu (problem) in to Google, ie ubuntu lexmark driver IMHO dual boot is no longer needed. Personally, the only time I see MS Windows is when someone has a problem. Allengg On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 6:42 AM, kylea ky...@itvss.com.au wrote: kylea wrote on 2009-01-04: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/945 A good install, well received by a cutting edge teen. Next challenge is the wife - have installed Thunderbird and moved all her mail stuff. Just need to check the printer works Lexmark Good news wife has started using Kubuntu and I got the printer working - following some good posts, took a bit of fiddling but its works great. SO why use MS Windows? - No reasons other than some sites sites (ATO and St George Bank) taht force users to have a windows licence. Going to build a 32 bit Ubuntu laptop next see how it compares to 32bit Kubuntu -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Confirmed Status in JAK LINUX: Confirmed Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: Invalid Status in Launchpad Translations: Invalid Status in Tabuntu: Confirmed Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in bum source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in casper source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in djplay source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in firefox source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in ubuntu-express source package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in The Breezy Badger: Invalid Status in The Dapper Drake: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Confirmed Status in linux source package in Debian: Confirmed Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. -- http://picasaweb.google.com/allenggraham/Mazatlan# -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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Hola Tom ! you are correct, techs are alloed to charge for service,* their time*, to repair software problems. Notice that Canonical , see: http://webapps.ubuntu.com/partners/ does have paid support and you can become a partner. Canonical, Ubuntu the connection !! Allengg On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Tom tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: With regards to non-free technical support it must be worth reading through the GPL and other licensing agreements to clarify that this is not against the agreement. There is a question about whether it is desirable for The Linux Communities or right (as in the balance of good and evil in the world) and my personal feeling is that it is. People like paying for support, maybe they feel the question gets answered faster/better/more professionally - who knows? There is a lot of easily accessible free support out there and as long as us tech-support types make people aware of that then surely we can charge what we want? Perhaps the more the better as people clearly seem scared by the prospect of something being free (and therefore see as worthless rather than realising it is priceless). Perhaps we should charge a set fee for call-out-charge and mileage but then charge more hourly for Linux/free-software problems rather than Windows problems? Lol, that would make sense to most consumers and presumably end up costing them about the same as Windows problems tend to take longer, especially if you need to defrag before starting. With regards to the agreement i'm pretty sure that we are allowed to charge - i haven't started doing so yet but hope to start soon. I've only read through the agreement a couple of times , once when i first started using Linux and once trying to translate the US version into English (doing so helped me stay awake(ish) while reading the legal document.) -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Confirmed Status in JAK LINUX: Confirmed Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: Invalid Status in Launchpad Translations: Invalid Status in Tabuntu: Confirmed Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in bum source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in casper source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in djplay source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in firefox source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in ubuntu-express source package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in The Breezy Badger: Invalid Status in The Dapper Drake: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Confirmed Status in linux source package in Debian: Confirmed Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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We need to add this to the story, yes, there is a happy ending http://www.austinchronicle.com/gyrobase/Issue/story?oid=719140 On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 10:36 AM, houstonbofh leesh...@hal-pc.org wrote: Alexandros wrote: http://austinist.com/2008/12/10/aisd_teacher_throws_fit_over_studen.php http://www.boingboing.net/2008/12/10/austin-teacher-threa.html http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/12/linux-stop-holding-our-kids-back.html Big follow up to this! http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/12/character-assasinations-aint-us.html In other words, this issue was patched. :) Lee -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Confirmed Status in JAK LINUX: Confirmed Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: Invalid Status in Launchpad Translations: Invalid Status in Tabuntu: Confirmed Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in bum source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in casper source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in djplay source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in firefox source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in ubuntu-express source package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in The Breezy Badger: Invalid Status in The Dapper Drake: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Confirmed Status in linux source package in Debian: Confirmed Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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Two excellent posts on how to solve the # 1 bug ! First, note that KYLEA used KUbubtu, KDE, on the laptop, how many of us stick to O-Ubuntu ? (Gnome) Other editions of Ubuntu make sense but overlooked. OK, Tom notes that he heard negative remarks about Linux, in general. Problem here is simple, since it's free the stores and tech shops see it as a non-starter, no money to be made, I've heard this lots. But, many techs have asked me to help them with Linux, oops, no money for me here ! Free software is the future, but techs should make money for service , agreed here ?!?! Allengg On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 4:41 AM, kylea ky...@itvss.com.au wrote: SOME Excellent News After complaining and generally appearing unappreciative here is some news that can be taken as proof we can defeat MS. After playing with and committing to Ubuntu 64bit 8.10, I decided to install Kubuntu 8.10 32bit on an older Toshiba Core 2 laptop for my 16 year old daughter and my wife to use. Well - the install was great - no issues, Flash worked, audio worked, Skype worked (No pulseaudio to get in the way). Daughter uses aMSN for chat, Firefox 24 x 7 and digiKam for processing her images and could not careless about it being Linux. It just worked. She has 5 aMSN tabs going flat out and mySpace and streaming music. Need to get a newer webcam - but according to several posts that should be fine. Next challenge is the wife - have installed Thunderbird and moved all her mail stuff. Just need to check the printer works Lexmark X5110. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Confirmed Status in JAK LINUX: Confirmed Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: Invalid Status in Launchpad Translations: Invalid Status in Tabuntu: Confirmed Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in bum source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in casper source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in djplay source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in firefox source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in ubuntu-express source package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in The Breezy Badger: Invalid Status in The Dapper Drake: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Confirmed Status in linux source package in Debian: Confirmed Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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Good one Lee!! Wish that there were more techs like you, and yes, there is money to be made in the service sector with Linux. We have a long way to go. Allengg On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 10:36 AM, houstonbofh leesh...@hal-pc.org wrote: Allen Graham wrote: OK, Tom notes that he heard negative remarks about Linux, in general. Problem here is simple, since it's free the stores and tech shops see it as a non-starter, no money to be made, I've heard this lots. But, many techs have asked me to help them with Linux, oops, no money for me here ! Another myth. There is very good money to be made supporting Linux. Even Free! I tell my clients I want to save you as much money on products as possible. The means you have more left for me! They laugh, but also give me more money (for more services) every time. And did I mention referrals as the projects exceed exceptions, and come in under budget? Lee -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Confirmed Status in JAK LINUX: Confirmed Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: Invalid Status in Launchpad Translations: Invalid Status in Tabuntu: Confirmed Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in bum source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in casper source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in djplay source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in firefox source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in ubuntu-express source package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in The Breezy Badger: Invalid Status in The Dapper Drake: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Confirmed Status in linux source package in Debian: Confirmed Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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Here again, two old arguments: 1. Linux does not come pre-installed. My answer: are people still buying crappy hardware instead of having it assembled ? Most good techies will install Linux for you, and charge for the labor. In Apple or MS-Windows you pay a heavy price for programs, the profit for the techies is in there. It will *not* cost you less; to buy better hardware. 2. Too many choices, no one standard. True. Otherwise we would all be using MS-Windows with an upgrade or die every 6 months, viruses galore and a blue screen of death every hour . (yes I'm exaggerating) Note, Ubuntu is extremely popular, that's great. But it should never be the only distrro. How many Linux users are there worldwide? Look it up ! Allengg On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 11:31 PM, spandanj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please take a look at the following article: http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/linux/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=212100714 where it presents causes and solutions to fixing linux. The causes can be summed up as too many choices lead to fragmentation before it leads to or along with innovation. You can't bring innovation if different software/components won't work with each other in the first place. Although open source sounds much better than closed source philosophically, it's implementation to provide user-friendly computer experience is not achieved--IMO, mainly due fragmentation of software. The greatest advantage of open-source philosophy ie. to allow freedom of choice to design as per a particular individual or a group's preference and inspiring innovation, is also it's greatest weakness because it leads to fragmentation at many levels which eventually leads to sub-par user experience. Obviously, in theory, by allowing anyone to contribute in bringing change to the linux software universe, it should bring faster innovation than in a closed-source enviroment where an authority holds power over what changes are allowed. However, open source software (OSS) fails because the changes and innovation are not co-ordinated -- a direct result of a lack of supreme authority. very good example that I know of is the Audio API -- alsa, pulse, etc. Very annoying. In fact, such fragmentation hinders innovation. Consider the fact that there isn't an audio editor that works under ubuntu 8.04 that supports pulse. Compare that to a universe of audio editors available for windows platform! Software developers working with windows are fully aware and clear about specifications for design because there's only one specification--windows. That is much easier than fitting to not only many but also ever-changing specifications found in linux universe! That is the fallacy of choice. Due to this fallacy, the potential for open source innovation is not realized and leads to a chaotic user experience. What I would like to know is the steps taken to overcome this fallacy. Please list them here. Is FOSS one of them? Open standards? -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Confirmed Status in JAK LINUX: Confirmed Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: Invalid Status in Launchpad Translations: Invalid Status in Tabuntu: Confirmed Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in bum source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in casper source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in djplay source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in firefox source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in ubuntu-express source package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in The Breezy Badger: Invalid Status in The Dapper Drake: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Confirmed Status in linux source package in Debian: Confirmed Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. -- If you're considering a Mexican vacation, look at
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
To Gizmo : I have personally set up OpenOffice and Microsoft Office/123 on many computers. First: OpenOffice will read all of MS Office files, *MSOffice will not.* Next, everyone can use OpenOffice, I've given up trying to help users with MSOffice, I now switch them over, on the spot, and I can now do this over the phone. MSOffice is buggy and poorly written. Yes there are some problems with OPenOffice, like doing business cards. Upgrading Ubuntu is a waste of time. Much better to backup and do a new install. That's what USB sticks are for. No one that I've met has more than 2gigs of files. With Ubuntu there is no criminal warning that you can only do one install, on one machine. If you can't do the install get some tech that can. *And to repeat Ubuntu is easier to install than any flavour of MS Windows.* Allengg On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 11:36 PM, thegizmoguy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ^Whoa there, don't go bashing MS Office :D As far as i'm concerned Office XP is a legend that has carried me through MANY a paper. Anyways, I agree with what you are saying. Perhaps if I'd have had the opportunity to use Linux sooner than these last couple of weeks I wouldn't be so damn frustrated with it. Yes, the cure for this bug is to get more people involved that can rocket this OS up (to at least beat Macs). In fact, I'm currently considering adding a computer science minor to my current math minor just because of my desire to get into OS design and help Ubuntu/Fedora/OpenSuse/etc. out. The problem I think lies in the fact that XP doesn't really have much of a learning curveyou can turn it on and fumble your way through it quick enough. The only real learning curve comes when you want to be efficient and use ALL the features. Ubuntu, while not difficult to get running, immediately presents a mountain of a learning curve even if the smallest things go wrong. So while I have the patience (but not enough time really) to poke and prod out some solutions to my problems and how to become proficient, many other users have no such attributes. See here: Computing Landscape: Developers, Ultra-Basement-Geeks Server Admins/IT Careers ---Where Gentoo is geared to (only for the brave) Long Time Linux Users --Where Ubuntu is currently geared to (great features but not very usable) Power Windows Users/Gamers --Where an OS should be geared to (features every category can enjoy but not hard to use) Average Users -Where XP is geared to (little limits but could be better) Children --Where Vista/Se7en/Mac is geared to (hindered, dumbed/watered down, flash-bang) Grandma -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Confirmed Status in JAK LINUX: Confirmed Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: Invalid Status in Launchpad Translations: Invalid Status in Tabuntu: Confirmed Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in bum source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in casper source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in djplay source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in firefox source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in ubuntu-express source package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in The Breezy Badger: Invalid Status in The Dapper Drake: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Confirmed Status in linux source package in Debian: Confirmed Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. -- If you're considering a Mexican vacation, look at the exchange rate from Canadian $$ to Mex $$(pesos) by going here: http://www.xe.com/ict/ http://picasaweb.google.com/allenggraham/Mazatlan# -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
TO: gizmoguy, and others that feel the same way. UBUNTU is NOT in competition with Microsoft. It is a shame that MS has a huge market share with, what most of us feel, is very poor quality programming, lousy code. Next: UBUNTU is a not-for-profit movement. Thanks to Mark Shuttleworth and his vision !!! Learn more about some of the hardware that is not and may never be supported by Linux / UBUNTU.. There is a lot of crappy hardware out there ! There is no O/S from MS that compares to LINUX, do some Googling, and find out what's really going on. Ask your tech if he/she uses Linux, all of the good ones do and many feel that UBUNTU/GNOME is over simplified (I disagree) a big hola! from sunny Mexico, Allengg On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 11:51 PM, thegizmoguy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my opinion, for Ubuntu to be able to really do damage to microsoft, we need far greater support for hardware that is otherwise supported under Windows. Yes, I understand that Ubuntu is generally refusing to use anything that is closed-source, but the average joe user does not care how his hardware is working- just that it's working. 8.10 is the first version of Ubuntu that i've even bothered trying to get working since I refused to do ndiswrapper hacks which were required with earlier versions of Ubuntu to get Broadcom wifi working.And simply refusing to include basic codecs just because they are closed-source is just plain asinine. Second, Ubuntu needs to take a more proactive approach against bugs. Looking at all of the ones here, it seems only a fraction of legitimate ones get fixed. Instead it appears the developers are more interested in pumping out new and pointless features (ala Vista). Even right now I have 2 bugs and quirks out that shouldn't be present in an OS this mature (connecting to a WPA2 network and MAC address changing)both of these have no problem in XP. For further example, look at the *giant* bug right now with HP users having to hold down a key to boot the OS. The kernel developers upstream have yet to even respond to the bug thread there and the only solution here is to do more config hacking and temporary fixes. So I'm sorry, if Ubuntu wants to get competitive we've got to start getting serious about making a just works OS like Windows has been for years -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Confirmed Status in JAK LINUX: Confirmed Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: Invalid Status in Launchpad Translations: Invalid Status in Tabuntu: Confirmed Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in bum source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in casper source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in djplay source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in firefox source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in ubuntu-express source package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in The Breezy Badger: Invalid Status in The Dapper Drake: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Confirmed Status in linux source package in Debian: Confirmed Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. -- If you're considering a Mexican vacation, look at the exchange rate from Canadian $$ to Mex $$(pesos) by going here: http://www.xe.com/ict/ http://picasaweb.google.com/allenggraham/Mazatlan# -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Why don't you just change the fonts and colors ? It's easy. On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 7:46 AM, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Amir makes some excellent points. I totally agree with him, especially on the fonts. I have both Windows Vista and Ubuntu 8.10 installed on my computer and I am constantly switching back and forth, especially when I want to read web pages I use Firefox 3.0 on both Vistan and Ibex, yet sites always look better in Vista because of the fonts. I would also add that Ubuntu needs to add some of the cutomization features for colors and font colors that are available in Windows and the Windows version of Firefox,things like changing hyperlink colors for those of us who are color blnd to some degree. I often have to oopy the text from a web site to gedit in order to be able to read it properly because I cannot do the same font and color customization in Ubuntu that I can in Windows. Iverall, I see the new 8.10 version of Ubuntu as a small step backwars deom 8.04. It is almost as frustrating to use as Vista. Amir E. Aharoni wrote: Every six-months a version of Ubuntu is released to big PR hoo-hah. Blogs with mockups of the new theme for the upcoming Ubuntu version receive a lot of Diggs. And well, the graphic designers working on Ubuntu are doing a great job, but usability isn't necessarily a question of graphic design. New icons, wallpapers and themes should be the lowest priority by now. They are more than good enough. Hardware support, software alternatives for Windows-only products and overall stability are more important than a new wallpaper. (I would make an exception for fonts, though. Well-designed fonts are crucial and the current offering in Ubuntu is not anywhere near Windows.) -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Confirmed Status in JAK LINUX: Confirmed Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: Invalid Status in Launchpad Translations: Invalid Status in Tabuntu: Confirmed Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in bum source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in casper source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in djplay source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in firefox source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in ubuntu-express source package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in The Breezy Badger: Invalid Status in The Dapper Drake: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Confirmed Status in linux source package in Debian: Confirmed Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. -- If you're considering a Mexican vacation, look at the exchange rate from Canadian $$ to Mex $$(pesos) by going here: http://www.xe.com/ict/ http://picasaweb.google.com/allenggraham/Mazatlan# -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
*Aha !!! you now understand the complexities of not for profit ! Awareness campaigns to promote Linux are rare events, extremely limited in reach, and met by all sorts of formal bureaucratic obstacles, by governments, academia, as well as industry. * *Microsoft and Apple are about profit. Try Ubuntu version 8.10. I installed 8.10 on a new Dual core, and was on the Internet checking my email in 12 minutes !!! Allen * -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Hi manishmahabir, excellent suggestion ! At this time the same a similiar approach can be used by KNOPPIX , live cd, , and watch as it loads. Allen On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 2:41 AM, manishmahabir [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Today Ubuntu has reached a stage where it can successfully replace windows in home as well as office desktops. Actually many people are now switching to ubuntu or are now ready to give it a try. As known to linux community, many hardware vendors have kept their hardware closed source.As a result the open source community has been unable to provide adequate support for the hardware. usually the hardware we buy has a logo 'certified for windows vista', and similarly for xp.people never know whether it is open or closed hardware or how well the hardware is supported under ubuntu. i know that there are websites which contain a list of hardware supported under ubuntu. it would be nice to have a tool for windows which could gather the data about the hardware connected to pc (similar to hardware testing in ubuntu). Based on the data it should generate a friendly report about the current status of support for the available hardware,specially graphics card or wireless card.It would help to prevent any post installation blues. An additional feature which could suggest the linux counterparts of installed windows applications would be a killer addition. It would go a long way in helping average user to switvh to ubuntu! Brainstorm idea: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/14800/ -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Confirmed Status in JAK LINUX: Confirmed Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: Invalid Status in Launchpad Translations: Invalid Status in Tabuntu: Confirmed Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in bum source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in casper source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in djplay source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in firefox source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in ubuntu-express source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Breezy Badger: Invalid Status in The Dapper Drake: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Confirmed Status in linux source package in Debian: Confirmed Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: New Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. -- If you're considering a Mexican vacation, look at the exchange rate from Canadian $$ to Mex $$(pesos) by going here: http://www.xe.com/ict/ -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Hola Fran, actually, it;s a big deal, support and service with Linux is very intense. Allen On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Fran McLoughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Here we go - Tiger Direct Canada doing it's bit to endorse Linux... I know its not much but here is a company willing to commit... ** Attachment added: Linux.gif http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17993463/Linux.gif -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Confirmed Status in JAK LINUX: Confirmed Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: Invalid Status in Launchpad Translations: Invalid Status in Tabuntu: Confirmed Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in bum source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in casper source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in djplay source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in firefox source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in kde-systemsettings source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in ubuntu-express source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Breezy Badger: Invalid Status in The Dapper Drake: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Confirmed Status in linux source package in Debian: Invalid Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. -- http://picasaweb.google.com/allenggraham/Mazatlan# -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Wow rarely have I read comments as out of touch as those made by Simon Lugi. He is to be forgiven, as a recent convert to Linux / Ubuntu he can not be expected to know the history. First Linux is not a company, and Ubuntu is a product developed by many hands, mostly as free input. Marketing is Microsofts' specialty, NOT programming. MS spends perhaps $1billion USD annually to promote products. The company Canonical, spends something, (see: Support Services | Canonicalhttp://www.canonical.com/services/support) on marketing, and please keep in mind that Canonical/Ubuntu is only ONE of the Linux companies, See : Red Hat, SuSe, Mandriva, OR: DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. http://distrowatch.com/ But Simon is, importantly, a convert ! Perhaps he would describe me as a GEEK (I'm not) 50 years dealing with computers (yes fifty). Extensive background relating to various systems. usually have 5 working systems on hand. using Linux for 7-8 years. To Simon: I have set up Ubuntu systems for people, that work very well, and tell them use, but don't touch. Think Cyber-cafe. Linux was designed for* anyone*. Microsoft Windows was designed to create profit. The Linx community is NOT competing with Microsoft nor Apple. *Monetary profit is NOT the goal.* Serious player ??? An issue to be addressed. But the truth ?? If you will accept it, Microsoft Corp., is on a self-destruct path. Some proof starts here :GROKLAW http://www.groklaw.net/index.php Simon, Ubuntu is FREE, but it comes with a price tag, namely do your own thinking, choose your own path. How many decisions did you have to make using UBUNTU ? In truth there are too many !. Look at Synaptic Package manager. Welcome to Ubuntu, a free system that will heavily tax you. perhaps Ira Levinauthor of: This Perfect Day saw this coming. regards, Allen (allengg on the forums) On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Simon Lugi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I stumbled upon this forum a few days ago and have been reading through this discussion with great interest and decided to add my 5c worth. I would describe my self as a non computer geek who has started using Ubuntu recently (4 months ago) partially out of curiosity and partially because I felt ripped off by Microsoft. I thoroughly enjoy using Ubuntu and really hope one day Ubuntu or any other OS will seriously challenge Windows dominance. However the reality is all Linux OS are still very far from becoming serious contenders. Just because a product works, is stable and has a number of features that its competition does not have, does not mean it will be successful. It takes a lot more. Some earlier writers have pointed to the success of Firefox, however there is a huge difference between a web browser and an OS. Purely based on personal observations and what I pick up from literature it really looks like Linux OS's are designed for computer geeks and people like me who like to fiddle. That is the market segment that Linux caters for, which at best will probably never exceed 10% of the global market. There are dozens of other market segments each with their own needs. Some of the biggest market segments are gaming and multimedia which can be further broken down into video and audio. What Microsoft has managed to do over the years is to make Windows so prevalent in the market, that the majority of users these day probably cannot even distinguish between the OS and the applications they use (my teenage sons certainly couldn't until I introduced them to Ubuntu). Even the people that I have spoken to in the IT industry could not be bothered learning about other OS, because there is no reason. The point I am trying to make is if Ubuntu's intention is to become a serious market player the development really has to be planned and managed as a business with some very significant financial investment. The plan needs to start with some clear goals and objectives. Then there needs to be marketing plans. Someone as successful as Mark Shuttleworth will no doubt be familiar with the 4P's of the marketing mix. At this stage Ubuntu only has one P in place and that is Price. (its free). The other 3P's, Product, Place and People are not ready for the global market. I am sure you all get the picture. Who's game to start on this new venture ?? -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Confirmed Status in JAK LINUX: Confirmed Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: Confirmed Status in Launchpad Translations: Invalid Status in Tabuntu: Confirmed Status in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in bum source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in casper source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in djplay source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in firefox source package in
Re: Re: [Bug 1] I think I have a solution...
Note to John and others : *building a PC*. Anyone can go to ANY small computer shop, talk to a techie, and have a computer built, CHEAPER and BETTER ! Ask your techie which O/S he/she is using, if it is not Linux, get another techie. Every techie that I know that is any good, uses Linux. Most think Ubuntu is too mainstream. (who cares) For a price, they will load Linux, even Ubuntu It may cost the same as MS Windows, again, who cares ?!?! Most users only want a system that just works. Tomorrow I'm going to a friends' house to repair a Windows Vista system, it has a few viruses, lots of Spybots, and is now generally slo=o=o=oW ! To install Ubuntu and totally configure it will take me too long. ahah is that the real problem ??? Allen On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 6:04 PM, John Pyper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the average Joe would buy parts individually and build a computer instead of getting a pre-built one, we wouldn't have this Microsoft tax to deal with. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy a pre-built solution, but they are there for those who eight don't know much about computers or don't want to take the extra bit of effort to match up the colored wires to the back of the box. Just my 2 cents, and I want a penny back. :) John Pyper BaD_CrC on Freenode #ubuntu,#ubuntu-offtopic Kent, WA, USA On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 9:50 AM, »John« [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't get me wrong - I never made the assumption you mentioned. The point is, that even if the ratio is much lower (say 2:8), the GNU/Linux user base will start growing much faster and at some point all the problems with 3rd-party support will be gone, leaving only the bugs causing problems with usability for average joe standing in our way (I guess we can all agree that majority of ICT users are nothing more than average joes knowing nothing more than just how to use their machines for basic tasks). The problem is that although (using your own words) anyone can uninstall windows and replace it with whatever they like, they still make you pay for the bundled OS with absolute disregard to whether you actually use it or not and getting your money for unused license back is almost impossible despite the fact this right is granted to everyone by Microsoft's own EULA; you see where this is going - this way you literally pay Microsoft the ransom for being so bold to purchase a computer, giving them the money they need to survive and recover from failures like the one with ME Vista. If this can be stopped, they wouldn't be able to withstand too many failures which make them loose money and expend their reserves... I agree GNU/Linux isn't ready for prime time quite yet, but it's already pretty suitable for user who doesn't need anything more than browse the internet, play his multimedia and use the office suite (I agree that multimedia can be hell of a pain in the ass if hardware acceleration of these things doesn't work on your machine, but that's exactly the kind of 3rd-party support I meant; the same thing understandably goes for the lack of drivers for the WinSomething kind of hardware). What I'm trying to tell is: all present OSes suffer from usability problems to the certain extent, so it's something we can deal with, but that is not the case of any unfair advantages Microsoft has over us... -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Confirmed Status in JAK LINUX: Confirmed Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: Confirmed Status in Launchpad Translations: Invalid Status in Tabuntu: Confirmed Status in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in bum source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in casper source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in djplay source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in firefox source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in ubuntu-express source package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Breezy Badger: Invalid Status in The Dapper Drake: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Confirmed Status in linux source package in Debian: Confirmed Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free
Re: [Bug 239082] Re: (wireless) network driver missing from the dvd
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 1 *** https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Ahh ! the problem of Ethics , Broadcom wants to restrict its' drivers, as do many other companies. Should Canonical lobby these companies, on behalf of all Linux users ? Why ? Ubuntu users represent a lot of the worldwide community, perhaps 20-25% (Mark will surely correct me), but we are getting the lions' share of publicity. Scroll down here http://distrowatch.com/ to see the daily results. BUT, Canonical is an Ethical organization ! Some Distros will break the rules, a bad idea,not Canonical,Ltd., t they are following the logical path, do it right. Why don't you lobby Broadcom ? You (and so did I) purchased their wireless product. Join the community, the waters' fine ! Allen Graham On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 1:12 AM, Dereck Wonnacott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *** This bug is a duplicate of bug 1 *** https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 ** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 1 Microsoft has a majority market share -- (wireless) network driver missing from the dvd https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/239082 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug (via bug 1). Status in Ubuntu: New Bug description: Well, this actually is not a real bug, it is just a design flaw. When you are installing from a media (namely the dvd, but I guess that would be worst for the cdrom) you should get from there everything you need to start-up. Unfortunately this was not the case for a good 2 among the 3 computers (home, work and wife) on where I installed Ubuntu. For both, the wireless network was not working and it was really a pain to find workarounds to make it available. The sad thing is that the packages to make the network works are available and well-working, but only for download, not on the media!! How are you supposed to download something from the network, if the network itself is not working? I guess in the mind of who made this choice, wireless is the secondary network, whereas wired is the primary, but this was not the case for me. These packages MUST be included in the dvd AND cdrom for the future releases, IMHO (there is not space problem for the DVD which is not overflowing) The first laptop needed b43-fwcutter. Here the problem is the license which does not allow the distribution. Canonical should lobby to change their mind. The second computer needed ndiswrapper. Here there is not any license problem (and the packages are actually three, not one). Thanks -- http://picasaweb.google.com/allenggraham/Mazatlan ** Attachment added: unnamed http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15195307/unnamed -- (wireless) network driver missing from the dvd https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/239082 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 239082] Re: (wireless) network driver missing from the dvd
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 1 *** https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 It's really part of Bug # 1proprietary software, perpetuated by Microsoft, Apple, and many other companies is there for those groups to hold a market niche, or worse a major grab! FOSS, free open source software, here http://www.fsf.org/, has been leading the movement for change. While reporting on the inherent problems goes on with *Groklaw*http://www.groklaw.net/index.php . Snake oil salesmen, carpet baggers, and crooked TV evangelists have all but disappeared, will Microsoft follow them? Allen On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 7:54 AM, Tina Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *** This bug is a duplicate of bug 1 *** https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 My bro suggested we make this bug dependent upon bug 1, rather than a duplicate... is that possible, in Launchpad? On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:12 PM, Dereck Wonnacott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *** This bug is a duplicate of bug 1 *** https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 ** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 1 Microsoft has a majority market share -- (wireless) network driver missing from the dvd https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/239082 You received this bug notification because you are a bug assignee (via bug 1). ** Attachment added: unnamed http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15195450/unnamed -- (wireless) network driver missing from the dvd https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/239082 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug (via bug 1). Status in Ubuntu: New Bug description: Well, this actually is not a real bug, it is just a design flaw. When you are installing from a media (namely the dvd, but I guess that would be worst for the cdrom) you should get from there everything you need to start-up. Unfortunately this was not the case for a good 2 among the 3 computers (home, work and wife) on where I installed Ubuntu. For both, the wireless network was not working and it was really a pain to find workarounds to make it available. The sad thing is that the packages to make the network works are available and well-working, but only for download, not on the media!! How are you supposed to download something from the network, if the network itself is not working? I guess in the mind of who made this choice, wireless is the secondary network, whereas wired is the primary, but this was not the case for me. These packages MUST be included in the dvd AND cdrom for the future releases, IMHO (there is not space problem for the DVD which is not overflowing) The first laptop needed b43-fwcutter. Here the problem is the license which does not allow the distribution. Canonical should lobby to change their mind. The second computer needed ndiswrapper. Here there is not any license problem (and the packages are actually three, not one). Thanks -- http://picasaweb.google.com/allenggraham/Mazatlan ** Attachment added: unnamed http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15196474/unnamed -- (wireless) network driver missing from the dvd https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/239082 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Good point !! On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Srikrishna Das [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My laptop came with linpus and no X. Thats really great!!! And moreover atheros wi-fi was not working in linpus either. They could just have put any graphical version or atleast mention in their website specifications for laptop. It just says Linux! Well, a click on shipit would have given free CD. If its windows, they'd write Genuine .. and also provide a link to microsoft. Can't they write linux distro name and provide a link to that. Saves them time to explain what is being provided. Laptop vendors supporting linux is just a matter of saying. Would they ship Vista without half the things working? No. They'd even take time to install their drivers on it. This behaviour is because Linux distros are still not seriously being considered worthy for commercial market. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Confirmed Status in JAK LINUX: Confirmed Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: Confirmed Status in Launchpad Translations: Invalid Status in Tabuntu: Confirmed Status in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in Source Package bum in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in Source Package casper in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in Source Package djplay in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in Source Package firefox in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in Source Package ubuntu-express in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Breezy Badger: Invalid Status in The Dapper Drake: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Confirmed Status in Source Package linux in Debian GNU/Linux: Confirmed Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. -- http://picasaweb.google.com/allenggraham/Mazatlan ** Attachment added: unnamed http://launchpadlibrarian.net/14023617/unnamed -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Good post Iain !!! The problem is not lack of interest to that we could add: in what ? My friends who visit me here, in Mazatlan Mexico have no choice but to use my Ubuntu laptop, do they complain, not once ! Oh they miss the blue screen of death, but... They notice that it's quicker, easier, but figure that I've tricked it out . (No) Everyone has been a 'mature' user, with me so far ? No one plays games, just get their email, pay a few bills, check the news and weather, make reservations and phone on Skype. Games involve patents ! We are all up against the world's biggest patent hog and troll ! So there ! Several developed a keen interest in Ubuntu, not Linux.. Ok that's a start, but let's look at the fragmented world of Linux. Little cohesion, we're all independent people, not mindless zombies. Perhaps the real solution lies with free and open source sofware FOSS. Patent free software. Or we could spend over a billion USD dollars each year promoting Linux and fighting the patent war. The best flagship for attacking this problem lies here: GROKLAWhttp://www.groklaw.net/index.php Join in, help in a positive way, thanks, Allen On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 2:51 PM, tinivole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just committed a fix. We must aim to be a leading provider for the younger generation. I have a huge family of brothers ranging from 10 to 20. And tests have shown these results: Brother 1 at the age of 20 is disinterested in Linux and/or Technology altogether.. Brother 2 at the age of 16 thinks Linux is a load of crap, and loves his WIndows Box. Brother 3 at the age of 15 gives a slight moral interest towards Linux, but will never switch. Brother 4 at the age of 13 Plays on Linux games such as Sauerbraten, FretsOnFire and Toribash. But he is smart enough to figure out that they are too availiable for Windows, so he becomes yet another victim to this bug. Brother 5 at the age of 10 Plays with Linux alot, he does not yet understand the differences of technology but prefers the user friendliness and the totally pwning (his words, not mine) 3D Desktop Cube. And sometimes on the odd occasion makes unruly remarks such as Linux Rules and Windows Sucks But to be honest, as much as I would like to say the same. Alas my view isn't as locked down as a stereotypical warzone view of things. I believe that we have the freedom to choose what we wish to with no pressure to differ us between one or the other. That's why I sometimes dream that I walk into a corporate sleaze of a PC Store (cough, *pcworld* cough) only to find that there are an equally amount of PCs ranging from every OS imaginable and all at the same price. Complete unbiased competition. That is what I'm for. But back to the point, as many of you may of noticed, there is a trend going on here. Therefore I have official committed a fix. Get your children into Linux before it is too late! Iain -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Confirmed Status in JAK LINUX: Confirmed Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: Confirmed Status in Launchpad Translations: Invalid Status in Tabuntu: Confirmed Status in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in Source Package bum in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in Source Package casper in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in Source Package djplay in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in Source Package firefox in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in Source Package ubuntu-express in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Breezy Badger: Invalid Status in The Dapper Drake: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Confirmed Status in Source Package linux in Debian GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. -- stop junk mail,look here: http://www.ambysoft.com/ideas/reduceJunkMail.html -- Microsoft has a majority market share
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Wow ! Mr. O Wyssis one ticked-off user. Starting from the bottom. Mac O/SX which is sloppy at best is a Unix/Linux derivative and I've only used it when helping Mac owners, is not impressive. Is Ubuntu stalled ?? No . While the number of computer users grows wildly worldwide, especially here in Mexico , Ubuntu and other distros will not and can not keep pace. Microsoft and Macapple have marketing budgets derived from profits. Note, Ubuntu grows no monetary profit. If Ubuntu was sold for profit then it would change along with the support and the forums, like this one. Microsoft spawns parasites like Norton, McAfee and hosts of others, that help perpetuate Microsofts products. Ask any 'tech', Microsofts' poorly written software puts money in their pockets, been there, done that. Spy-bots, trojans, viruses OH! the glory of Microsoft. Is Ubuntu growing ? Yes Mr Wyss, we are. Changing ? slowly. It will always be this way. IF Canonical could infuse 2-3 Billion USD or better Euros, into a marketing program, the change would be electrifying . How many Ubuntu users worldwide ? Using which version ? I've put Ubuntu not those below, on many systems. Ubuntu Editions [image: Kubuntu] http://www.kubuntu.org/ [image: Edubuntu] http://www.edubuntu.org/ [image: Xubuntu] http://www.xubuntu.org/ [image: Gobuntu] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/products/whatisubuntu/gobuntu see also : DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD.http://distrowatch.com/ Ubuntu has grown and will continue to grow, perhaps not at a pace that will satisfy many. And think Linux generally, many fellow users employ several distros. Join in regards, Allen (in Mazatlan Mexico, part of the Global Community) ** On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 1:32 AM, wyo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's now almost 2 year since I've written something about this bug here (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/62) and it's now about 1 year since I've lost fait that this bug will be solved before I die. Yet it's time to make a review if anything has changed regarding this bug. To draw a resume: Ubuntu has nothing achived in this last year. It couldn't gain anything on Windows, it only margially gained on other Linux distributions and it even lost on MacOSX. How can anybody spend his spare time (his most precious live time) for a project with doesn't make any progression! Nothing significant has been achieved in this year. Windows ist still the vast leading system and even seems to gain in some parts. Windows doesn't anymore trap that often into a blue screen. Windows drivers are mostly delivered through Windows Update and are mostly uptodate. And there are still countless of Windows-only applications out there. There is still no easy usable Mailer/Calender/Communicator application in Ubuntu. There are still only these horrible GTK+ applications available. There are still countless driver problems when using new or even sometime old hardware. Installing and accessing printers is still something which often doesn't work. The display through X-server looks awfull, fonts are more or less not viewable. I'm asking, does Ubuntu really plan to fix this short commings anytime or has it given up? O. Wyss -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Confirmed Status in JAK LINUX: Confirmed Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: Confirmed Status in Launchpad Translations: Invalid Status in Tabuntu: Confirmed Status in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in Source Package bum in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in Source Package casper in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in Source Package djplay in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in Source Package firefox in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in Source Package ubuntu-express in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Breezy Badger: Invalid Status in The Dapper Drake: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Confirmed Status in Source Package linux in Debian GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Note: ptoye makes some valid, and strong points. Every user will have a different experience and one aspect will be the type of equipment that person is using. How many of us shop for Linux friendly computer equipment ? Four years ago my system of choice, for Ubuntu was an AMD 64 based mobo. With full intentions of dual-booting. Ubuntu was great, forget Windows at that time ! And the first wireless, WiFi card installed was a real challenge. Ubuntu and Canonical are ethical in the extreme, no pirated drivers, or proprietary software, yet we use said drivers, how does a newbie figure this out. All distos are not the same, some will simply use purloined drivers and software. Is Ubuntu the right choice for a new Linux user ? Perhaps. We know it works, the word is ''robust. What is needed, on occasion is telephone support, on a volunteer basis. And I strongly support Canonical's pay to use support. see: Canonical Global Support Services | Ubuntuhttp://www.ubuntu.com/support/paid Allen On Feb 12, 2008 4:05 AM, ptoye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I regret that I have to agree. I've been in IT for about 40 years, and have just decided to have a play with Ubuntu Linux on an old system box. No problems installing from the downloaded CD, but things just don't work out of the box. Video mode not supported on my monitor during the boot process (I think there's meant to be a splash screen there). That I can live with, but would scare the unsophisticated user. Failed to construct test pipeline... on when trying to get my USB sound card to work. The forums (fora?) are very useful here, but again the normal user would be completely at sea. With Windows, it just worked. And looking through the forums and help files, getting a wireless LAN to work needs a couple of doctorates. I've not dared try. Again, it just worked with Windows. (That ndiswrapper isn't included with the distro doesn't help - how can one download it without access to the net?). The forums are very helpful, but the solutions usually tell the user to issue commands as a sort of magic spell, without any guarantee of their success, or how to regress if they fail. Personally, I'm very cautious about issuing commands (especially with sudo) unless I have some understanding of what they do. For any Linux to get a foothold, things just have to work out of the box. If this needs manufacturer support in providing drivers, that's where effort should go. Although this forum is dedicated to Ubuntu, and it's the only one I've tried, I suspect that many of the problems occur with other distros. To sum up, Microsoft.Windows has many faults, but manufacturers are prepared to invest effort into overcoming them, which makes it possible for unsophisticated users to buy a box in the knowledge that most things will work OK. Linux is still too geeky to make this possible. Some large customers can afford the effort to use it. Small ones can't, so they won't. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Confirmed Status in JAK LINUX: Confirmed Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: Confirmed Status in Launchpad Translations: New Status in Tabuntu: Confirmed Status in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in Source Package bum in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in Source Package casper in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in Source Package djplay in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in Source Package firefox in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in Source Package ubuntu-express in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Breezy Badger: Invalid Status in The Dapper Drake: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Confirmed Status in Source Package linux in Debian GNU/Linux: New Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. -- stop junk mail,look here: http://www.ambysoft.com/ideas/reduceJunkMail.html -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
A sr, Narea, which suggestion ? gracias, Allen (in Mexico, where MS dominates) * My suggestions: Allow as many people as possible to use your Linux system Load Ubuntu / Linux on systems belonging to your friends On systems previosly ruined bybugs and bots refuse to re-load any flavor of MS Windows, Refuse to repair any system with more than 4 problems caused by Windows, IE Explorer and MS mail clients. * On Feb 9, 2008 6:46 AM, GustavoNarea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The suggestion on Bug #190452 might be a big step toward the fix of this bug. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Confirmed Status in JAK LINUX: Confirmed Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: Confirmed Status in Launchpad Translations: Invalid Status in Tabuntu: Confirmed Status in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in Source Package bum in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in Source Package casper in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in Source Package djplay in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in Source Package firefox in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in Source Package ubuntu-express in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Breezy Badger: Invalid Status in The Dapper Drake: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Confirmed Status in Source Package linux in Debian GNU/Linux: New Status in Tilix Linux: Invalid Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/olsneezy/sets/ try the slideshow -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft still has a majority market share
Well done Richard, a step... Look at Richard's comments re: converting docs, and Photoshop, note that G-Thumb image viewer will do most things that most users need and is part of the UBUNTU package, http://gthumb.sourceforge.net BUT: the real demon in this picture is best described on GROKLAW, namely: Groklaw - Patent Infringement Lawsuit Filed Against Red Hat Novell - Just Like Ballmer Predictedhttp://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20071011205044141 So. It's all about Patents and the wildly outdated Patent Office(US) Microsoft has used the USPO for it's extreme financial pleasure, yes, it's all about money and greed ! Allen On 10/13/07, Richard Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gaspard, That is only search volume in the Y-axis in the Google link. I'd love to see what actual installation volumes of non-techies are. I know that Windows is still way ahead but the trends would be interesting to note, especially in Europe. Right now, I have converted 3 non-techie families from Windows and M$ Office (illegal copies, of course) to Ubuntu + OpenOffice (100% legal). It wasn't easy. They had to re-learn everything (painful) and they lost significant application functionality (E,g, Photoshop. Do *not* mention Gimp; they find it very difficult). It was almost as difficult as learning a new Human language. However, in the end, bye bye Windows 98/2000/XP and * no laws are broken * no virii * no ad creepies * very stable * very fast * more vendor choices They were all delighted at how easy USB devices plug in and just work as easy as Windows. I just had to convert all of their office docs with the automated toolnot too bad. So, there is hope. Probably, Europeans are more adventurous and more likely to buck the US monopolistic trends. Qu'est-ce qu'on fais alors? -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/olsneezy/sets/ try the slideshow -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Right on !! Kilz !!!good going. 64bit Ubuntu works great, no other O/S can cut it. And for mission critical stuff it's the only way. Looking forward to seeing your nsplugin wrapper', although , thanks to Ubuntu, no strong need here (yet). Tell people the truth ! There are way too many choices with Ubuntu, like a kid in a candy shoppe, makes me giddy just thinking about it. FUD is like carmel candy, sickly sweet and sticks in your mouth. Flash a non-issue !!! can hardly wait. On 7/14/07, Kilz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the availability of nspluginwrapper (I wrote a install script that dose it in 30 seconds) Flash is a non issue. Giving me a link to the 64bit section is like giving someone a map to their home. :) I also know that a large amount of Fud, that gets repeated by quite a few people outside of the 64bit section may be slowing some of the 64bit adoption. Things like There are fewer programs Things dont work right Something is missing and You dont really need it, are just that, FUD. This (nspluginwrapper) is going to be part of Gutsy from what Im told. Will we see 64bit Ubuntu installed on 64bit hardware then? Secondly, if things are missing from the 64bit version, that have work arounds available, why are they not in Ubuntu? Nspluginwrapper has been available since before Edgy's release. With only 64bit hardware being sold, when will development focus on the 64bit version? There is a clear advantage, offering a operating system that matches the hardware. Something that Windows is having problems with. Why not use the advantage? -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- http://ca.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/allen.onpizzazz/my_photos -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] suggested patch - search engine for free hardware systems
Thanks OK Amir ! Lots of us are equally curious. With the latest forays into cross-licensing and other such ilk it would seem apparent that proprietary drivers will be ground into dust. There are many free operating systems, most will just hack' the drivers, or come up with a workaround. The problem (good) is that Ubuntu plays by all of the rules so it requires the user (me, you etc) to employ other methods or simply sign a E.U.L.A. that may be distasteful. Intel, Nvidia, Broadcom, S.I.S. and many more have created this problem for wireless drivers. I have two machines with Broadcom, wireless, chips, what a nuisance ! When building my working system I shopped for parts that have free drivers. Atheros on wireless etc. There may be 40 million Linux users and growing, most of us are technically minded and help many others make decisions on buying. So, we have an influence. Note that I've found it easy to install Ubuntu 7.04 in Dell laptops. regards, Allen On 7/6/07, Amir E. Aharoni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 05/07/07, Mark Shuttleworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even a really good vendor like Intel still has the odd propietary blob (on the way out, but still there). Sorry to wander further off-topic, but this really intrigued me: What do you mean by on the way out? My primary concern now is the wireless drivers. Most laptops that i could find where i live have Intel a/b/g wireless cards, which Ubuntu considers restricted. When i popped a 7.04 live CD into a Toshiba laptop in a store, that's the only restricted driver it complained about. I can feel more content if i buy this one knowing that some day there'll be a true free driver. However, when i googled for linux wireless driver blob i couldn't find anything substantial. There were mostly stories on making one for OpenBSD and they also said that it will probably not work for Linux. Or did Intel announce that they are releasing the source? (Please excuse my cluelessness. I know that it's all hard work and i don't expect kernel hackers to produce a driver just for me; i'm just a curious monkey tring to follow the Free Software ethic.) -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- http://ca.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/allen.onpizzazz/my_photos http://www.speedtest.net/result/63662323.png -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Hold it ! Right there ! we're going to be sued en masse. Microsoft has flatly stated that we Linux users violate 235 patents. OK ! Let's co-operate, and each one of us should send all of our source AND binary code, from every computer that we own to Microsoft, yes, let's 'fess up. Let Microsoft, that benevolent behemoth, tell each one of us , individually, which patent(s) that we infringe upon so that we can remove this offense code and get on with our lives. If Microsoft doesn't respond, then we should help out, AND send it again Most of us old timers know full well that Microsoft had to use Unix code in the '80's, we saw it, thought it was OK, but didn't think of it as patent infringement. We saw Microsoft buy up companies (like Spinnaker who created 'Works') and use code that was taken from everywhere. Of course Microsoft now has to show ALL of it's proprietary code to prove theur case. Allen Graham, an 'oldtimer' from Bobcaygeon Ontario (prev: Toronto and Key West , yes that AG) -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Hold it ! Right there ! we're going to be sued en masse. Microsoft has flatly stated that we Linux users violate 235 patents. OK ! Let's co-operate, and each one of us should send all of our source AND binary code, from every computer that we own to Microsoft, yes, let's 'fess up. Let Microsoft, that benevolent behemoth, tell each one of us , individually, which patent(s) that we infringe upon so that we can remove this offense code and get on with our lives. If Microsoft doesn't respond, then we should help out, AND send it again Most of us old timers know full well that Microsoft had to use Unix code in the '80's, we saw it, thought it was OK, but didn't think of it as patent infringement. We saw Microsoft buy up companies (like Spinnaker who created 'Works') and use code that was taken from everywhere. Of course Microsoft now has to show ALL of it's proprietary code to prove theur case. Allen Graham, an 'oldtimer' from Bobcaygeon Ontario (prev: Toronto and Key West , yes that AG) On 5/16/07, Conrad Knauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://limulus.wordpress.com/2007/05/15/microsofts-new-business-model- extortion/ for more details. -- Time and weather ? click here : http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=148 -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Spanish target
Buenas Dias ! y hola Jesus ! You have raised some excellent ideas, (muy poco Espanol) It would be very easy to start a business such as this one: http://system76.com/index.php/cPath/1 And with Vista coming from Microsoft it will be very difficult for students to buy new computers, it is very expensive, with big demands on the hardware ! Downloading Ubuntu is very easy, but you need a fast Internet connection. Get one copy and make many copies from it. Mexico has an even bigger problem than your country, now the economy in Mexico is growing faster than the U.S. of A. and even my country, Canada ! Yet, there are NO servers to support Ubuntu in Mexico, but there are many colleges. In the winter I live in Mexico and see these rapid changes. The first problem is that English is the language of the Internet. Changes to computer use must start within the Latin-American countries. In the future I will live permanently in Mexico and I plan to work on that problem !! Thanks for your input, Allen Bobcaygeon, Ontario, Canada On 5/11/07, macuto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here in Venezuela the last week in the mailing list of Ubuntu Venezuela Team https://launchpad.net/~nejode talked about his first Ubuntu Customization to Spanish language by default without using Internet get Spanish packages. This idea was welcome he's work was just the start and It was converted in a project https://launchpad.net/venezuelaiso Why ? Very simple: ( Just what I thing ) 1) If you can read the first screen You can test Ubuntu. For example the last week I left my Cd in the computer my wife turn on the computer She saw English next She turn off the computer She called me Jesus the computer isn't working.( My wife use Xubuntu but she doesn't know nothing about installers She cant read English to know what is that? ) Microsoft has Spanish Installer by default we need one no like a F2 option we need by default. ( I differ to other people we need all the possibilities in languages options) 2) Remember here no everybody has Internet ( Itś difficult to the new user install without Internet ) Windows doesn't need connect to Internet to start to apparently work in ours language . We need us languages packages by default. If a user can install Ubuntu we have more probability to get a new user. Another Idea Here the majorities of the people at home use shippers machines by the cost no HP no Dell no others ( I thing this apply for many countries ). In fact HP sales computers with free D.O.S why ? ? why not use Ubuntu . The people talk about Dell but haven't see more that 20 Dell computers in my live. Maybe we can start to talk with the computers retails to ship Ubuntu CD with the machine maybe with no default install but the people can wondering what is it ? put the Cd in their languages and say Woh . ( I think maybe can work here because the Government is migrating to Gnu/Linux) Finally I think in Latinoamerica we can't talk about user friendly Ubuntu yet Why ? if the people can understand English Goodbye user friendly no everybody understand English no everybody has Internet at home. by the way excuse my English is not good enough yet. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Time and weather ? click here : http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=148 -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Hi, to me Linux is so superior to Microsoft Windows or Mac that I put up with the problems, BUT , you're right. And I keep a MS Windows laptop handy. Allen On 5/11/07, dsula [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The difference between windows and linux is, that windows simply works, whereas for linux you need a degree in software enginnering to get it to run right. I'm using Linux for 10 years now, and things haven't improved much. I installed the kubuntu 7.04 and guess what, blank screen on boot. Easy fix? Sure you boot in console mode, edit a few config files, download a few drivers and packages, compile everything, read a few forums and eventually you get it to work. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Time and weather ? click here : http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=148 -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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To: F+P at mommedia, first, uninstall Firefox completely after you have saved your bookmarks.Next, install 'Opera' or Konquerer or ?? This assumes you have done a full antivirus, sweep, and anti-everything , ads, popups, etc. Which Distro are you using ? If you're using a Windows O/S you will have to re-install, and if it's pirated it will cause endless problems. Then use Opera or X for 4-5 days, see if it still happens. RE: false e-mails, most of us get those after we have visited a site that promises to never share our email address !! The rest of the things you describe are common spoofs Allen On 3/25/07, mommedia.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I have no idea what you are talking about, I am presently using Firefox/2.0.0.3 and this security issue is very serious and far from fixed. The browser keeps changing the setting on its own, to remember, passwords and all the crucial information an EU has entered on forms. I have received false e-mails about someone trying to access one of my accounts with false information and requesting access to the bank account. However, the Bank had a protection that the computer from where the EU is logging on has to be authenticated via e-mail, that, is the only reason why it did not work for whomever has tried to enable this browser security setting. Guys... this is serious, and I hope that you know that with the millions of individuals using Firefox, this could just be tremendous mess. So, hold on to your hats! F+P -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 -- http://adventures-with-the-rascals.blogspot.com/ -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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Hold on Kilz !ill For 2+ years Ubuntu 64 bit was and is the only O/S that will work and does work on my 64 bit system. On 3/24/07, Kilz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The gap in market share may get worse. 32bit hardware is no longer being sold or manufactured. The 64bit version of Ubuntu doesn't just work. In fact on large segments of the Ubuntu English Forums people are told to install the 32bit version. Common complaints about the 64bit version are missing applications, inability to install some applications, and the inability to install 32bit applications as a stop gap measure. Multiarch has stalled in Debain. RPM based distro's are increasingly multiarch. SuSE is completely multiarch. All the while development of the 32bit version is the main priority of Ubuntu. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 -- http://adventures-with-the-rascals.blogspot.com/ -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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John, you said it all !! Thanks, Allen On 3/17/07, john [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a complete newbie at this and I thought I would share some comments. I love anything Open and found out about Ubuntu when installing OpenOffice. Have been using Gmail and Firefox for years. I have never taken any computer courses in my life. However I'm the 'administrator' in the house and I'm in charge of my parents computer (which I switch to Mac because they could not figure out the XP interface). Scary? Very common Made the CD image, which was easy. Tried to boot on the desktop: took me some googling to know how to access the BIOS set up (never had to do that with windows before), then found out the whole thing froze, did not know why, some more googling before I realize I don't have the Fat32 format (no idea how to switch over and definitely not interested in potentially screwing up my files doing so). Gave up on that machine, Went on an older machine my kids were using (the 9 year old thought it was the coolest thing since it's not MS and he heard something about Linux). Boot it no problem from the CD. Got Firefox going then realize all the sites the kids like require plug-ins to be installed (they were getting impatient at this point), then went on VMK.com and Shockwave is required, then realize it's not going to work with Linux. The kids walked out of the room So I love the idea of open software, but for some reason I don't think Ubuntu is promoted right (OpenOffice either). You see Firefox everywhere, gets promoted everywhere and its virtues are well known to the general (non geek) public like myself. The installation and running needs to be a lot more intuitive ( I don't have any computer taught to me, it's always been intuitively pushing button to see what happens). I definitely have no idea how to write a script. Sure I could have the option of buying a computer with Linux preinstalled but I'm not a computer geek per se and if I'm scared I'll be going back to either Mac or Windows and want something to work right out of the box. Hope that helps. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 -- http://adventures-with-the-rascals.blogspot.com/ -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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Right on ! On 1/25/07, Michael Erskine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vista will fix this one ;) -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 -- http://adventures-with-the-rascals.blogspot.com/ -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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Thanks to Tom Halligan for pointing out the article by Messrs Raymond and Landley. The problem, to oversimplfy, is that articles such as that are so inaccurate that it clouds the real problem, first off I've been using a 64 bit O/S for 2 full years. Ubuntu Linux was the only system that I could get to work. True, the 64 bit system is not fleshed out, and Microsoft has made mockery of it with their XP-64. Apple is not even in consideration. Throwing money at the problem would be a drastic mistake. Most people that use Ubuntu are willing to share and help, but as Tom pointed out the legal problem, created by the U.S. Patent Office, aided and abetted by Microsoft, is the real culprit. As well people (like me) use Ubuntu on important (buzz=mission critical) systems that can not tolerate failure. BUT, there is a learning curve to Linux, a big one, and Ubuntu may be the easiest approach, but not for the 'feint of heart'. Help us overcome the big nasty problem created by the Patent Office, call or inundate with email, your elected representative, get him/her/it onside. The U.S. created the problem, but there are many more of us out here in the real world. Allen Graham (Canada-Mexico) On 12/24/06, Tommy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps it's time for linux devs in general to think much more seriously about this one. After reading this: http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/world-domination/world- domination-201.html I come away agreeing on most points - particularly that of media support. Considering the real issues inhibiting distribution and function within Linux are almost all legal-based, maybe it's time to throw some money at the problem. It may sound absurd, but how much - feasibly, would it take to just buy the rights to the problematic codecs/formats/whatever? If this bug is to be solved before Vista becomes standard - or, if Vista isn't as much of a problem as many expect, Windows 64 - then I really don't think there are many options left open. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 -- http://adventures-with-the-rascals.blogspot.com/ -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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We note that Mark makes an excellent point, but most of us believe that the spirit of co-operation emanates from Ubuntu. Again, thanks to Canonical. We need more people like Mark, that would overcome the BUG problem Allen On 10/28/06, Mark Shuttleworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Allen Graham wrote: But Debian-Ubuntu-Mepis for example should work together, they don't. Actually, there's a tremendous amount of collaboration between those three. And then there are incidents where people disagree. If you look at the actual flow of code, there's a lot that goes in both directions. Mark -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 -- http://adventures-with-the-rascals.blogspot.com/ -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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It looks like Medical-Wei has hit on one of the biggest problems, namely the variety of Linux distros. There is too much unnessary friction among the various groups, some for the valid reason that they are commercial, such as RED HAT. But Debian-Ubuntu-Mepis for example should work together, they don't. This problem is as big as: which is the best distro? On 10/27/06, Medical-Wei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is really a BIG PROBLEM. First, schools should teach the concept of free software, and how to use FL/OSS. One day I asked the dean why our school doesn't teach FL/OSS, she mentioned that the school is bound to teach commerical softwares because they paid the softwares. Second, software developers have to develop softwares for a wide wange of platforms.(most for game developers, because my classmates are poisoned in games and also Windows.) Third, There is too variety of Linux distributions. It makes people hard to determine which Linux distro they want to use. (Is it a connatural problem?) I consider Windows as a gaming platform, but it is useless to do something more important. /* poor grammer, sorry */ -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 -- http://adventures-with-the-rascals.blogspot.com/ -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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Halo Sopo !!! 23 years ago I was using a PC in my business, along with a colour monitor, and I was not an IT specialist. Even then there was a choice between DOS and Unix. But today everyone needs to access a computer and the 'net. Everyone needs to understand the computer they are driving. At this moment the only foolproof, desktop , system that I know of, within my limited scope is Ubuntu Linux . Windows, any flavour. is scary. Viruses, spyware, and just plain lousy code plague MS Windows. Bill Gates is the wealthiest man in the world, does he give a damn about lousy code ? Linux does work. Perhaps the only aspect of computer use is that we should trust is Linux. Flawed as it may be Linux s the only answer on the horizon . Allen On 7/13/06, sopo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MARCO: you're forgetting that 15 years ago computers were only used by IT specialists. nowdays a computer is like a car, or a washing machine - everybody NEEDS to use it to get something done, they don't need to LIKE it or understand it. you can't ask a secretary who just needs to answer e-mails and type documents to understand why her box won't hybernate. it's the IT specialist's job to make it hybernate when she pushes that particular button. and sadly in linux this and many other things don't just work yet the way our little secretary would expect it. sure, you don't need to be a specialist to understand these things, but you have to at least like them and be interested in them. but if you're neither they just nned to work. and it can't be considered ignorance if someone isn't interested in computers. we can't all have the same hobbies, can we? you don't expect everyone to understand how an internal combustion engine works, or what the effects of a short shift gearbox are, but everyone expects a car to work as advertised. PS: you can substitute secretary for any other job you like, because everybody is more or less relying on a computer to get something done PS2: this is NOT a pro-MS statement, i'm just saying that linux still needs alot of work to be done on the works out of the box factor -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 -- http://adventures-with-the-rascals.blogspot.com/ -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
