[Bug 420609]
Commit 434d45f fixes the issue. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/420609 Title: wrong LC_TIME in Italian To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/glibc/+bug/420609/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 420609]
Much has changed since the last patch has been attached therefore it does not apply cleanly now. For Italian [1] CLDR says that the correct medium date format is "d MMM y" (5 set 1999), correct medium time format is "HH:mm:ss" (13:25:59), correct medium date and time format is "d MMM y, HH:mm:ss" (5 set 1999, 13:25:59). For Italian in Switzerland [2] it provides the same data although marks them as "unconfirmed". (In reply to Nicolo' Chieffo from comment #18) > Ok, so I will change date_fmt to not contain abbreviations. I've checked some locales and they all contain abbreviations in date_fmt so I think it is perfectly OK to contain abbreviations. > What about the timezone? Should it be present for both date_fmt and d_fmt? Most (but not all) of the locales contain the timezone in d_t_fmt but the default C locale does not. Therefore I think it is correct not to include the timezone in d_t_fmt but include it in date_fmt. Now about the patch: > * d_t_fmt: "%a %e %b %Y, %T, %Z" > - remove the leading zero in the day of month using '%e' instead of '%b' Good idea but I think you'd rather use "%-d" which means "do not pad with zero". "%e" means "pad with space", "%-e" means "do not pad with space" and therefore has the same effect as "%-d". Also, I think that the timezone should be removed. I will write a new patch and replace it with "%-d" and remove ", %Z". > - add ',' to separate date, time and timezone Good, CLDR says that date and time should be separated with a comma. > * t_fmt: "%H.%M.%S" > - express the time in the expanded way instead of using '%T', to be sure to > use the correct values CLDR says there should be colons rather than dots therefore I will reject this change. Also I will restore the format with colons in date_fmt. "%T" means that "%H:%M:%S" is used literally therefore it is correct. > * date_fmt: "%c" > - make date_fmt and d_t_fmt the same As said above, date_fmt should contain the timezone while d_t_fmt (which is used by "%c") should not. Therefore I think that the correct date_fmt should be "%a %-d %b %Y, %T, %Z" (ven 14 set 2018, 22:07:41, CEST) Also, I will change d_fmt in it_CH from "%d. %m. %y" (which looks bad) to "%d.%m.%Y" (which is the same as de_CH and is almost the same as CLDR suggests). I will not change d_fmt in it_IT because it looks almost the same as CLDR. (In both cases CLDR suggests two-digit year while we have four digits.) [1] http://st.unicode.org/cldr-apps/v#/it/Gregorian/ [2] http://st.unicode.org/cldr-apps/v#/it_CH/Gregorian/ -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/420609 Title: wrong LC_TIME in Italian To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/glibc/+bug/420609/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 420609]
Created attachment 11247 Proposed final solution -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/420609 Title: wrong LC_TIME in Italian To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/glibc/+bug/420609/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1279558]
1. All links provided in comment 5 consistently confirm that a dot is used as a grouping (thousands) separator in it_IT, also a comma is used as a decimal (fraction) separator. Also CLDR which we usually treat as an authoritative source confirms the same. Currently it_IT provides the same except (as the original reporter noticed) that it does not provide any grouping separator for LC_NUMERIC. Therefore I'm going to add a dot as a grouping separator in LC_NUMERIC in it_IT even if this differs from the original request. Note that the same values are currently in LC_MONETARY in it_IT. 2. But CLDR also confirms that a similar mark as the original reporter suggests is used in it_CH (Italian language as used in Switzerland). Currently an ASCII apostrophe is used in glibc but CLDR says it should be a character (Right Single Quotation Mark, "’"). It is correctly transliterated to an ASCII apostrophe while building non- Unicode locales. Therefore I'm going to use the character as a grouping separator in LC_NUMERIC in it_CH. 3. But all LC_NUMERIC and LC_MONETARY sections in all Swiss locales (including LC_MONETARY in it_CH) contain just “copy "de_CH"”. So maybe LC_NUMERIC should also contain “copy "de_CH"”? True, de_CH uses an ASCII apostrophe as a grouping separator while CLDR says it should be . Also, CLDR says that a decimal separator for both it_CH and de_CH should be a dot. In glibc it is correctly set in all Swiss locales except it_CH. Shortly: all Swiss locales should use an apostrophe (or better the Right Single Quotation Mark) as a grouping (thousands) separator and a dot as a decimal (fraction) separator. Therefore instead of what I said in point 2. I am going to use “copy "de_CH"” in LC_NUMERIC section of it_CH and I'm going to update de_CH to use as a thousands separator in both LC_NUMERIC and LC_MONETARY. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1279558 Title: Italian (it_IT) locale has empty thousands_sep To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/glibc/+bug/1279558/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1279558]
Fixed in master, commit 527f355e5e97bb0f76e88caadb08d2405cacea94. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1279558 Title: Italian (it_IT) locale has empty thousands_sep To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/glibc/+bug/1279558/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
