[Bug 312756] Re: support graphics card hot switch

2010-01-18 Thread Narciso Cerezo
Hi,
I tried that deb package but it complained about not finding rt73 module. I 
tried to install that module, but had no luck.
So I removed the module, reactivated the other one (nvidia off).
I removed everything about nvidia using synaptic, and when I have booted up 
this morning... I have desktop effects
Looking at glxinfo and xorg.log it seems that it is using the Intel GMA with 
MESA.
So at least I have a kind of decent performance with desktop effects and 
reduced battery consumption.
Shame not to be able to use the nvidia card, but at least the system is more 
usable now.

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[Bug 312756] Re: support graphics card hot switch

2010-01-13 Thread Narciso Cerezo
@rmartinez my comments here are in the public domain ;) feel free to
copy them, I'm glad they were useful. I agree we all should do the same
and write to the manufacturer support team.

Let's wait a little for Asus to answer, but if they don't or their
answer is the same, I think it could be a good idea to create some
website/blog (or better use Albert Vilella's blog on the subject if he
wants) to give some advice to potential buyers that want to use linux on
hybrid graphics laptops. Something like a list of manufacturers with the
kind of support they have (BIOS settings, public specs, drivers, etc).
That way people will have more information on what to buy (and what to
NOT buy) if they want to use linux.

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[Bug 312756] Re: support graphics card hot switch

2010-01-12 Thread Narciso Cerezo
@Alexandre
I can't still measure how much battery lasts when the nvidia card is disabled, 
but from what I've read the power consumption is reduced by 5w to 10w.
Can you tell me something more about the solution you use for cold switching 
(acpi_osi)?

@Fabián,
I've got a first answer from Asus support. I wrote them both in Spanish and 
English, got an answer in Spanish so I will translate it into English:

QUOTE START:
Dear customer:
We can't give you support for an operating system change to other than the one 
provided with the laptop. You can find at our web site all the drivers that 
have been released up to the moment for different operating systems, in the 
event that you wished to make an operating system change under your own 
supervision.
Nevertheless, we are going to pass your request just in case it could be added 
in the future.
Thanks.
QUOTE END

I've answered them that they should *read* my message because I'm not asking 
for that kind of support, and clearly explaining (again) my two requests:
1. That they release a BIOS that lets their customers select the video mode 
(hybrid, intel, nvidia)
2. That they publish specs/apis/etc so the linux community can create the 
appropriate patches/drivers
I also remembered them that I am their customer, and that I've bought a laptop, 
not an operating system from Microsoft (I've been forced to do so).
Lets see what they say, but I have little hope...

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[Bug 312756] Re: support graphics card hot switch

2010-01-11 Thread Narciso Cerezo
@toni
Hi, the way to kill (disable) the nvidia card is through a contributed kernel 
module: 
http://linux-hybrid-graphics.blogspot.com/2009/12/solution-to-switch-off-nvidia-card-in.html
I will check again if a BIOS update is available for my Asus UL50VT, but there 
was no option to change between cards or modes as your Lenovo has :(
The BIOS should have such an option, it is not like choosing at boot time or 
like switching it live, but will do the trick in the mean time.

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[Bug 312756] Re: support graphics card hot switch

2010-01-11 Thread Narciso Cerezo
@Fabián,
I apologize if I gave the impression of complaining about the effort of the 
linux community, but I don't think that is the case.
If you carefully read my messages you will no doubt understand that I was 
complaining about *this issue being declined for karmic and lucid*.
I appreciate all the effort, linux has performed a giant leap forward and 
Ubuntu specially is the best option in my opinion.
You can read at the asus forum the actual status of this (which is no answer on 
asus or nvidia side):
http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?id=20091224184305125board_id=3model=UL50VTpage=1SLanguage=en-us
I've also submitted my complaint, yes this is a real complaint, to asus trough 
their support form requesting they give the linux community the specs and tools 
needed and at the very least that they release a BIOS upgrade to let us choose 
the video mode.

Best regards

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[Bug 312756] Re: support graphics card hot switch

2010-01-10 Thread Narciso Cerezo
Asus UL50VT-XX025V
nvidia geforce g210m, 512MB vram + Intel GMA

00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series 
Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2a42] (rev 07)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation Device [10de:0a74] 
(rev ff) (prog-if ff)


** Attachment added: DSDT.dsl for Asus UL50VT
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/37676218/DSDT.dsl

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[Bug 312756] Re: support graphics card hot switch

2010-01-10 Thread Narciso Cerezo
Hi, I didn't see the comment by Timo requesting no more DSDT.dsl attachments.
But is very disappointing for me seeing this as declined for Karmic and also 
for Lucid (which means that an official solution will not be available *at 
least* until October 2010).
After many years of using Ubuntu only I had to use the included Windows 7 
since battery lasts 10 hours (one of the main reasons I purchased this laptop) 
and also I don't have any kind of visual effects on my desktop (which means 
I've lost the transparency effect that was so useful for me).
It should not be considered wishlist  as it will surely drive users away from 
Ubuntu :(
Hot swapping cards is not really the important thing, I would really be happy 
if I could select that at boot time or before the x-session is started.
By killing the nvidia card I now have a little more battery, but it is not 
enough and not a solution.

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