[Bug 108057] Re: Romanian layout with ș and ț in it is not among the options in the GUI
So lets assume Academic is set to default in Ubuntu's next release. How many Windows XP user will be affected by this change? It would only be Romanian XP users who access content written by Romanian users of the very latest version of Ubuntu, right? That's not a significant number of users, is it? -- Romanian layout with ș and ț in it is not among the options in the GUI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/108057 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 108057] Re: Romanian keyboard layout has incorrect characters
Thanks for your comments Mișu. Here are my thoughts with regards to the points you raised. 1. I personally have a hard time reconciling the idea that in order to get Linux fixed, we have to wait for Windows Vista to gain significant market share. I might find this easier to understand if there weren't any standard to follow, but there is. I don't use Windows because things such as diacritics are broken, now if Linux just replicates those issues, then I'm not sure why I should use Linux. Admittedly this isn't related to freedesktop.org, but Ubuntu's bug #1 has the goal of decreasing Windows market. Seems silly to me to have a goal of decreasing Windows market share whilst at the same time waiting for an increase in market share in order to fix other bugs. 2. See Mihai Captă's comments. I agree entirely. Forgetting the issue of what should be the default layout, can we at least agree that we need to have the option available in Ubuntu UI that allows users to select the Romanian keyboard layouts that use the correct diacritics? Both Vista and Mac OS X allow me that luxury. -- Romanian keyboard layout has incorrect characters https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/108057 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 108057] Re: Romanian keyboard layout has incorrect characters
Unless anyone has any major objections, I plan on changing the title and description to something that specifically relates to the keyboard options in the Ubuntu UI, or lack thereof. Either that, or close the bug and raise one that more accurately describes the problem? This will allow separate bugs to be raised, if necessary, for other issues such as the default layout, whether there should be cedillas at all, translations or whatever. -- Romanian keyboard layout has incorrect characters https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/108057 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 108057] Re: Romanian keyboard layout has incorrect characters
I agree with Mihai that the default should be Romanian Standard. I don't see good reason to deviate from the established standard. On the contrary, that fact that there is a standard should make the decision even easier. However, I do see good reasons for not making Romanian Programmers the default. As a user, if I'd want to change my keyboard layout to Romanian, I (and most likely your typical Romanian user) wouldn't expect the diacritics to be accessible on the 3rd level. My first reaction would be to think that something is broken if diacritics didn't start appearing upon hitting keys on the right-hand side of the keyboard. I would think that the Romanian Programmers layout would be a keyboard layout foreign to most Romanians. -- Romanian keyboard layout has incorrect characters https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/108057 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 108057] Re: Romanian keyboard layout has incorrect characters
** Description changed: Description of problem: The Romanian letters Ş and Ţ are incorrectly represented when the Romanian keyboard is selected. Ş and Ţ are both incorrectly represented using cedillas instead of commas. The incorrect Unicode characters are U015E (S with a cedilla), U015F (s with a cedilla), U0162 (T with a cedilla) şi U0163 (t with a cedilla) The correct Unicode characters are U0218 (S with a comma), U0219 (s with a comma), U021A (T with a comma) şi U021B (t with a comma) The rules relating to the the Romanian language are dictated by the Academia Romana, and they have provided specific advice regarding the representation of Romanian characters: http://www.secarica.ro/InstitLingvTastatura-20031008.pdf (in Romanian) For more precise information as to the why the cedilla's are incorrect: http://www.secarica.ro/html/s-uri_si_t-uri.html (in Romanian): Steps to reproduce: 1. Download and burn Ubuntu, either 6.10 or 7.04. 2. Boot any PC using the CD. 3. When the OS has loaded, select System Preferences Keyboard 4. Select Layouts 5. Click on Add 6. Select Romania Standard, then Ok 7. Select Romania Standard, and move it to the top of the list. 8. Close 9. Select Applications Accessories Text Editor 10. Using a British keyboard(physical keyboard), press the keys marked ; and ' (both are just to the right hand side of the letter L) Actual results: ş and ţ appear with cedillas. Expected results: - ş and ţ to appear with commas. + ș and ț to appear with commas. Notes: The Romanian keyboard layout on Mac OS X 10.4.9 works as expected, as does Windows Vista. Windows XP and below are broken like Ubuntu (and most likely other distros too). -- Romanian keyboard layout has incorrect characters https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/108057 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 108057] Re: Romanian keyboard layout has incorrect characters
** Description changed: Description of problem: - The Romanian letters Ş and Ţ are incorrectly represented when the Romanian keyboard is selected. Ş and Ţ are both incorrectly represent using cedillas instead of commas. + The Romanian letters Ş and Ţ are incorrectly represented when the Romanian keyboard is selected. Ş and Ţ are both incorrectly represented using cedillas instead of commas. The incorrect Unicode characters are U015E (S with a cedilla), U015F (s with a cedilla), U0162 (T with a cedilla) şi U0163 (t with a cedilla) The correct Unicode characters are U0218 (S with a comma), U0219 (s with a comma), U021A (T with a comma) şi U021B (t with a comma) The rules relating to the the Romanian language are dictated by the Academia Romana, and they have provided specific advice regarding the representation of Romanian characters: http://www.secarica.ro/InstitLingvTastatura-20031008.pdf (in Romanian) For more precise information as to the why the cedilla's are incorrect: http://www.secarica.ro/html/s-uri_si_t-uri.html (in Romanian): Steps to reproduce: 1. Download and burn Ubuntu, either 6.10 or 7.04. 2. Boot any PC using the CD. 3. When the OS has loaded, select System Preferences Keyboard 4. Select Layouts 5. Click on Add 6. Select Romania Standard, then Ok 7. Select Romania Standard, and move it to the top of the list. 8. Close 9. Select Applications Accessories Text Editor 10. Using a British keyboard(physical keyboard), press the keys marked ; and ' (both are just to the right hand side of the letter L) Actual results: ş and ţ appear with cedillas. Expected results: ş and ţ to appear with commas. Notes: The Romanian keyboard layout on Mac OS X 10.4.9 works as expected, as does Windows Vista. Windows XP and below are broken like Ubuntu (and most likely other distros too). -- Romanian keyboard layout has incorrect characters https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/108057 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 108057] Re: Romanian keyboard layout has incorrect characters
** Description changed: Description of problem: The Romanian letters Ş and Ţ are incorrectly represented when the Romanian keyboard is selected. Ş and Ţ are both incorrectly represent using cedillas instead of commas. The incorrect Unicode characters are U015E (S with a cedilla), U015F (s with a cedilla), U0162 (T with a cedilla) şi U0163 (t with a cedilla) The correct Unicode characters are U0218 (S with a comma), U0219 (s with a comma), U021A (T with a comma) şi U021B (t with a comma) The rules relating to the the Romanian language are dictated by the Academia Romana, and they have provided specific advice regarding the representation of Romanian characters: http://www.secarica.ro/InstitLingvTastatura-20031008.pdf (in Romanian) For more precise information as to the why the cedilla's are incorrect: http://www.secarica.ro/html/s-uri_si_t-uri.html (in Romanian): Steps to reproduce: 1. Download and burn Ubuntu, either 6.10 or 7.04. 2. Boot any PC using the CD. 3. When the OS has loaded, select System Preferences Keyboard 4. Select Layouts 5. Click on Add 6. Select Romania Standard, then Ok 7. Select Romania Standard, and move it to the top of the list. 8. Close 9. Select Applications Accessories Text Editor - 10. Using a British keyboard, press the keys marked ; and ' (both are just to the right hand side of the letter L) + 10. Using a British keyboard(physical keyboard), press the keys marked ; and ' (both are just to the right hand side of the letter L) Actual results: ş and ţ appear with cedillas. Expected results: ş and ţ to appear with commas. Notes: The Romanian keyboard layout on Mac OS X 10.4.9 works as expected, as does Windows Vista. Windows XP and below are broken like Ubuntu (and most likely other distros too). -- Romanian keyboard layout has incorrect characters https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/108057 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 108057] Romanian keyboard layout has incorrect characters
Public bug reported: Description of problem: The Romanian letters Ş and Ţ are incorrectly represented when the Romanian keyboard is selected. Ş and Ţ are both incorrectly represent using cedillas instead of commas. The incorrect Unicode characters are U015E (S with a cedilla), U015F (s with a cedilla), U0162 (T with a cedilla) şi U0163 (t with a cedilla) The correct Unicode characters are U0218 (S with a comma), U0219 (s with a comma), U021A (T with a comma) şi U021B (t with a comma) The rules relating to the the Romanian language are dictated by the Academia Romana, and they have provided specific advice regarding the representation of Romanian characters: http://www.secarica.ro/InstitLingvTastatura-20031008.pdf (in Romanian) For more precise information as to the why the cedilla's are incorrect: http://www.secarica.ro/html/s-uri_si_t-uri.html (in Romanian): Steps to reproduce: 1. Download and burn Ubuntu, either 6.10 or 7.04. 2. Boot any PC using the CD. 3. When the OS has loaded, select System Preferences Keyboard 4. Select Layouts 5. Click on Add 6. Select Romania Standard, then Ok 7. Select Romania Standard, and move it to the top of the list. 8. Close 9. Select Applications Accessories Text Editor 10. Using a British keyboard, press the keys marked ; and ' (both are just to the right hand side of the letter L) Actual results: ş and ţ appear with cedillas. Expected results: ş and ţ to appear with commas. Notes: The Romanian keyboard layout on Mac OS X 10.4.9 works as expected, as does Windows Vista. Windows XP and below are broken like Ubuntu (and most likely other distros too). ** Affects: Ubuntu Importance: Undecided Status: Unconfirmed -- Romanian keyboard layout has incorrect characters https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/108057 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
