[Bug 103010] Re: qemu no tun/tap networking

2011-09-13 Thread Chris Bainbridge
Did this ever get fixed? The upstream patch with the helper was posted
to the mailing list in November 2009 and in the same thread it is
mentioned that the Ubuntu packaging would enable this by the time
Lucid/qemu-0.12-rc1 was released.

http://www.mail-archive.com/qemu-devel@nongnu.org/msg17772.html

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[Bug 103010] Re: qemu no tun/tap networking

2011-09-13 Thread Serge Hallyn
I assume the fix (as described in comment #14) is /etc/qemu-ifup ?

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[Bug 103010] Re: qemu no tun/tap networking

2011-09-13 Thread Chris Bainbridge
Did this ever get fixed? The upstream patch with the helper was posted
to the mailing list in November 2009 and in the same thread it is
mentioned that the Ubuntu packaging would enable this by the time
Lucid/qemu-0.12-rc1 was released.

http://www.mail-archive.com/qemu-devel@nongnu.org/msg17772.html

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[Bug 103010] Re: qemu no tun/tap networking

2011-09-13 Thread Serge Hallyn
I assume the fix (as described in comment #14) is /etc/qemu-ifup ?

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[Bug 103010] Re: qemu no tun/tap networking

2010-05-07 Thread Chris Bainbridge
The Debian bug appears to have been marked Fix Released because the
actual qemu package was removed from Debian and replaced with qemu-kvm.
Maybe another bug needs to be opened for that package.

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[Bug 103010] Re: qemu no tun/tap networking

2010-05-07 Thread Chris Bainbridge
The Debian bug appears to have been marked Fix Released because the
actual qemu package was removed from Debian and replaced with qemu-kvm.
Maybe another bug needs to be opened for that package.

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[Bug 103010] Re: qemu no tun/tap networking

2010-05-06 Thread 666f6f
I've gone through this bug report as well as the relevant Debian Bug
report and I don't think it's fixed.

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[Bug 103010] Re: qemu no tun/tap networking

2010-05-06 Thread 666f6f
I've gone through this bug report as well as the relevant Debian Bug
report and I don't think it's fixed.

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[Bug 103010] Re: qemu no tun/tap networking

2010-03-31 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: qemu-kvm (Debian)
   Status: Unknown = Fix Released

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[Bug 103010] Re: qemu no tun/tap networking

2010-03-31 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: qemu-kvm (Debian)
   Status: Unknown = Fix Released

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[Bug 103010] Re: qemu no tun/tap networking

2010-03-21 Thread Chris Bainbridge
** Bug watch added: Debian Bug tracker #412941
   http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=412941

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   http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=412941
   Importance: Unknown
   Status: Unknown

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[Bug 103010] Re: qemu no tun/tap networking

2010-03-21 Thread Chris Bainbridge
** Bug watch added: Debian Bug tracker #412941
   http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=412941

** Also affects: qemu-kvm (Debian) via
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   Importance: Unknown
   Status: Unknown

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[Bug 103010] Re: qemu no tun/tap networking

2010-03-09 Thread Chris Bainbridge
Kees: I know about the wiki page - I'm the one who edited it to note
this issue. It is not true that file capabilities only work in Lucid - I
am using Karmic and it works fine. libcap2-bin is also not a PAM
package. It is also not true that you need to manually add users to
/etc/security/capability.conf. I will corrrect these points in the Wiki.

It is true that with CAP_NET_ADMIN capability any user could boot a VM
and gain access to a virtual ethernet device. That's the whole point. I
would assume that the majority of people installing qemu would actually
want to be able to create bridged virtual ethernet devices. VirtualBox
allows normal users to create bridged ethernet devices that could be
used to disrupt networking. Why should qemu be different? If you are
concerned about users directly abusing the capability with their own
software then this is not possible - giving the qemu binary the
capability means that only that binary gets the capability - other
binaries executed by the same user do not get the capability.  Access to
/dev/net/tun can still be controlled using standard file permissions as
usual.

Using a file capability would obviously be preferable as it would not
require individual users to be manually assigned the capability, and
could be done in postinst and would survive qemu package upgrades. The
only way someone could disrupt the network in this way is if they:

1) Were allowed to run qemu
2) Had rw access to /dev/net/tun
3) Had some exploit for qemu to allow them to run some arbitrary network 
disrupting code

Basically, whatever potential problems there are, the same problems are
also present in VirtualBox, and yet that ships with working network
bridging for VMs (the mechanism is different, but the fundamental
problems are the same). Why can't qemu have working bridged networking?
Why not  create a tun group that has rw access to /dev/net/tun if that
is the problem you are trying to avoid?

And if making the existing package work is unacceptable, then why not
create a qemu-kvm-working-bridged-networking package and recommend
that users who want bridged network use that instead?

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Re: [Bug 103010] Re: qemu no tun/tap networking

2010-03-09 Thread Dustin Kirkland
It's very important to note that qemu-kvm is in Ubuntu main, and
VirtualBox is in universe.  The quality control, and in particular the
security model you might expect are quite different between the two
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[Bug 103010] Re: qemu no tun/tap networking

2010-03-09 Thread Kees Cook
@Chris Yup, I understand how capabilities work.  I'm actively working on
getting fscaps functioning with Debian/Ubuntu packaging (see
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/FilesystemCapabilties).  (You seemed to
miss me changing ep to ei in the wiki -- I've added the old
instructions back and clarified the procedure.)

Just because qemu claims to only work on tun/tap devices doesn't mean it
can't be subverted into working on arbitrary network devices.  In a
perfect world, upstream qemu will create a helper tool that is uses
fscaps, etc, and correctly manages the tun/tap devices before launching
qemu itself.  That reduces the exposure of CAP_NET_ADMIN and makes for a
more auditable chunk of code.

I'll leave it up to the qemu maintainer in Ubuntu how to handle these
things, but I just wanted to confirm that arbitrarily giving everyone
CAP_NET_ADMIN (or being setuid root) via qemu was not preferred.  If
it's done via file permissions and a qemu-runners group, plus fscaps
=ep, or done via fscaps =ei and select users are given =i via pam_cap, I
don't much care.  :)

Regardless, fscaps are not supported in Debian/Ubuntu packaging (which I
very much want to fix), so this is all a non-issue until that is solved.
In the meantime, I feel it is my responsibility to provide as safe a set
of instructions that accomplishes the goal of accessing the tun/tap
devices.

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[Bug 103010] Re: qemu no tun/tap networking

2010-03-09 Thread Anthony Liguori
http://wiki.qemu.org/Features/HelperNetworking

We plan on addressing this upstream by introducing a helper to create
the tap device.  This helper would be owned by root, and would be
limited in what it did with the tap device (in terms of attaching it to
a bridge).

This allows a sysadmin to delegate an appropriate amount of privileges
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[Bug 103010] Re: qemu no tun/tap networking

2010-03-09 Thread Chris Bainbridge
Kees: I know about the wiki page - I'm the one who edited it to note
this issue. It is not true that file capabilities only work in Lucid - I
am using Karmic and it works fine. libcap2-bin is also not a PAM
package. It is also not true that you need to manually add users to
/etc/security/capability.conf. I will corrrect these points in the Wiki.

It is true that with CAP_NET_ADMIN capability any user could boot a VM
and gain access to a virtual ethernet device. That's the whole point. I
would assume that the majority of people installing qemu would actually
want to be able to create bridged virtual ethernet devices. VirtualBox
allows normal users to create bridged ethernet devices that could be
used to disrupt networking. Why should qemu be different? If you are
concerned about users directly abusing the capability with their own
software then this is not possible - giving the qemu binary the
capability means that only that binary gets the capability - other
binaries executed by the same user do not get the capability.  Access to
/dev/net/tun can still be controlled using standard file permissions as
usual.

Using a file capability would obviously be preferable as it would not
require individual users to be manually assigned the capability, and
could be done in postinst and would survive qemu package upgrades. The
only way someone could disrupt the network in this way is if they:

1) Were allowed to run qemu
2) Had rw access to /dev/net/tun
3) Had some exploit for qemu to allow them to run some arbitrary network 
disrupting code

Basically, whatever potential problems there are, the same problems are
also present in VirtualBox, and yet that ships with working network
bridging for VMs (the mechanism is different, but the fundamental
problems are the same). Why can't qemu have working bridged networking?
Why not  create a tun group that has rw access to /dev/net/tun if that
is the problem you are trying to avoid?

And if making the existing package work is unacceptable, then why not
create a qemu-kvm-working-bridged-networking package and recommend
that users who want bridged network use that instead?

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Re: [Bug 103010] Re: qemu no tun/tap networking

2010-03-09 Thread Dustin Kirkland
It's very important to note that qemu-kvm is in Ubuntu main, and
VirtualBox is in universe.  The quality control, and in particular the
security model you might expect are quite different between the two
packages in Ubuntu.

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[Bug 103010] Re: qemu no tun/tap networking

2010-03-09 Thread Kees Cook
@Chris Yup, I understand how capabilities work.  I'm actively working on
getting fscaps functioning with Debian/Ubuntu packaging (see
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/FilesystemCapabilties).  (You seemed to
miss me changing ep to ei in the wiki -- I've added the old
instructions back and clarified the procedure.)

Just because qemu claims to only work on tun/tap devices doesn't mean it
can't be subverted into working on arbitrary network devices.  In a
perfect world, upstream qemu will create a helper tool that is uses
fscaps, etc, and correctly manages the tun/tap devices before launching
qemu itself.  That reduces the exposure of CAP_NET_ADMIN and makes for a
more auditable chunk of code.

I'll leave it up to the qemu maintainer in Ubuntu how to handle these
things, but I just wanted to confirm that arbitrarily giving everyone
CAP_NET_ADMIN (or being setuid root) via qemu was not preferred.  If
it's done via file permissions and a qemu-runners group, plus fscaps
=ep, or done via fscaps =ei and select users are given =i via pam_cap, I
don't much care.  :)

Regardless, fscaps are not supported in Debian/Ubuntu packaging (which I
very much want to fix), so this is all a non-issue until that is solved.
In the meantime, I feel it is my responsibility to provide as safe a set
of instructions that accomplishes the goal of accessing the tun/tap
devices.

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[Bug 103010] Re: qemu no tun/tap networking

2010-03-09 Thread Anthony Liguori
http://wiki.qemu.org/Features/HelperNetworking

We plan on addressing this upstream by introducing a helper to create
the tap device.  This helper would be owned by root, and would be
limited in what it did with the tap device (in terms of attaching it to
a bridge).

This allows a sysadmin to delegate an appropriate amount of privileges
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[Bug 103010] Re: qemu no tun/tap networking

2010-03-08 Thread Chris Bainbridge
 I'm sorry, this is not something that we can solve in the qemu-kvm
package that is in Ubuntu Main.

Why not? The standard Ubuntu kernel supports capabilities
(CONFIG_SECURITY_FILE_CAPABILITIES). It is obviously not desirable to
have qemu networking broken by default, or to tell users that they must
run qemu as root if they want networking to work. I'd imagine that most
people installing qemu would prefer that the qemu process be able to
create a TUN/TAP device instead of returning some odd error message.

 You could, I suppose, submit a patch that adds another binary package
under the qemu-kvm source package that we put in Universe.

It seems odd to create a new package just to fix networking for non-root
users.

 I've subscribed the Ubuntu Security Team. I'm curious for their
opinion on this.

From a security perspective, it is obviously better to give the qemu
process a single relatively harmless capability than to require all
users run qemu as root or suid root.

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[Bug 103010] Re: qemu no tun/tap networking

2010-03-08 Thread Dustin Kirkland
Marc/Kees/Jamie-

Would you care to answer the questions above?  I've been telling people
no for 4 Ubuntu releases that we will not enable tun/tap networking in
qemu-kvm.

** Changed in: qemu-kvm (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: (unassigned) = Ubuntu Security Team (ubuntu-security)

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[Bug 103010] Re: qemu no tun/tap networking

2010-03-08 Thread Kees Cook
Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Networking for a
discussion of the issue.  (Basically, it is unsafe to ship it this way
as it gives any local user the ability to disrupt networking.)

** Changed in: qemu-kvm (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: Ubuntu Security Team (ubuntu-security) = (unassigned)

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[Bug 103010] Re: qemu no tun/tap networking

2010-03-08 Thread Chris Bainbridge
 I'm sorry, this is not something that we can solve in the qemu-kvm
package that is in Ubuntu Main.

Why not? The standard Ubuntu kernel supports capabilities
(CONFIG_SECURITY_FILE_CAPABILITIES). It is obviously not desirable to
have qemu networking broken by default, or to tell users that they must
run qemu as root if they want networking to work. I'd imagine that most
people installing qemu would prefer that the qemu process be able to
create a TUN/TAP device instead of returning some odd error message.

 You could, I suppose, submit a patch that adds another binary package
under the qemu-kvm source package that we put in Universe.

It seems odd to create a new package just to fix networking for non-root
users.

 I've subscribed the Ubuntu Security Team. I'm curious for their
opinion on this.

From a security perspective, it is obviously better to give the qemu
process a single relatively harmless capability than to require all
users run qemu as root or suid root.

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[Bug 103010] Re: qemu no tun/tap networking

2010-03-08 Thread Dustin Kirkland
Marc/Kees/Jamie-

Would you care to answer the questions above?  I've been telling people
no for 4 Ubuntu releases that we will not enable tun/tap networking in
qemu-kvm.

** Changed in: qemu-kvm (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: (unassigned) = Ubuntu Security Team (ubuntu-security)

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[Bug 103010] Re: qemu no tun/tap networking

2010-03-08 Thread Kees Cook
Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Networking for a
discussion of the issue.  (Basically, it is unsafe to ship it this way
as it gives any local user the ability to disrupt networking.)

** Changed in: qemu-kvm (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: Ubuntu Security Team (ubuntu-security) = (unassigned)

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[Bug 103010] Re: qemu no tun/tap networking

2010-03-04 Thread Laurent Bigonville
** Also affects: qemu-kvm (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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[Bug 103010] Re: qemu no tun/tap networking

2010-03-04 Thread Dustin Kirkland
I'm sorry, this is not something that we can solve in the qemu-kvm
package that is in Ubuntu Main.

You could, I suppose, submit a patch that adds another binary package
under the qemu-kvm source package that we put in Universe.

I'm subscribing the Ubuntu Security team too.

** Changed in: qemu (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed = Invalid

** Changed in: qemu (Ubuntu)
   Status: Invalid = Won't Fix

** Changed in: qemu-kvm (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Won't Fix

** Changed in: qemu (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided = Wishlist

** Changed in: qemu-kvm (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided = Wishlist

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[Bug 103010] Re: qemu no tun/tap networking

2010-03-04 Thread Dustin Kirkland
Chris-

Thanks for your suggestion.  I haven't tested it, yet.  I've subscribed
the Ubuntu Security Team.  I'm curious for their opinion on this.

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[Bug 103010] Re: qemu no tun/tap networking

2010-03-04 Thread Laurent Bigonville
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   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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[Bug 103010] Re: qemu no tun/tap networking

2010-03-04 Thread Dustin Kirkland
I'm sorry, this is not something that we can solve in the qemu-kvm
package that is in Ubuntu Main.

You could, I suppose, submit a patch that adds another binary package
under the qemu-kvm source package that we put in Universe.

I'm subscribing the Ubuntu Security team too.

** Changed in: qemu (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed = Invalid

** Changed in: qemu (Ubuntu)
   Status: Invalid = Won't Fix

** Changed in: qemu-kvm (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Won't Fix

** Changed in: qemu (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided = Wishlist

** Changed in: qemu-kvm (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided = Wishlist

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[Bug 103010] Re: qemu no tun/tap networking

2010-03-04 Thread Dustin Kirkland
Chris-

Thanks for your suggestion.  I haven't tested it, yet.  I've subscribed
the Ubuntu Security Team.  I'm curious for their opinion on this.

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[Bug 103010] Re: qemu no tun/tap networking

2010-02-23 Thread Chris Bainbridge
It is a bit poor to have qemu networking broken by default. I suggest
the following in postinst:

setcap cap_net_admin=ep /usr/bin/qemu-system-*

For more information on QEMU and Linux capabilities see
http://www.friedhoff.org/posixfilecaps.html

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[Bug 103010] Re: qemu no tun/tap networking

2010-02-23 Thread Chris Bainbridge
** Changed in: qemu (Ubuntu)
   Status: Won't Fix = Confirmed

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[Bug 103010] Re: qemu no tun/tap networking

2009-09-11 Thread Dustin Kirkland
Thanks for the report.  This is a security issue.  The kernel requires
more privileges than a qemu userspace app has to enable tun/tap
networking.

:-Dustin

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[Bug 103010] Re: qemu no tun/tap networking

2009-01-03 Thread Roland Hieber
This bug is still existing in Interpid. What information exactly is
needed, so I could provide it?

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[Bug 103010] Re: qemu no tun/tap networking

2008-12-16 Thread Pedro Villavicencio
We are closing this bug report because it lacks the information we need
to investigate the problem, as described in the previous comments.
Please reopen it if you can give us the missing information, and don't
hesitate to submit bug reports in the future. To reopen the bug report
you can click on the current status, under the Status column, and change
the Status back to New. Thanks again!.

** Changed in: qemu (Ubuntu)
   Status: Incomplete = Invalid

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[Bug 103010] Re: qemu no tun/tap networking

2008-10-04 Thread Daniel T Chen
Is this symptom still reproducible in 8.10 beta?

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