[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2013-12-17 Thread mlaverdiere
On the basis of EFF recommandations, here the what's need to be done to
solve this bug, considering  the stagnation/progress/regession observed
since Ubuntu 12.10:

- Disable Include online search results by default - Nothing has
been done.  To do.

- Explain in detail what Canonical does with search queries and IP
addresses, how long it stores them, and in what circumstances it gives
them to third parties - Regression since 13.10, as the untranslated
legal notice is more difficut to find.  It has been relegated to an
obscure Diagnostics tab, in the Security and Privacy panel, in the
System settings, instead of being available at the bottof right corner
of the Dash.  So, at leat, it needs to be translated.  Also, if it has
to remain in theSecurity and Privacy panel, it should be in a more
properly designated tab.  Also, if the online search remains activated
by default, there should be some sort of proheminent popup that would
ask for user attention, upon first login or first access to the Dash,
refering him/her to the legal notice and asking him what he/she wants to
do with online search (and related scopes).

- Make the Search Results tab of the Privacy settings let users toggle
on and off specific online search results, as some users might want
Amazon products in their search results, but never anything from
Facebook.  - Some progress has been made with 13.10, as now, in
adition to be able to disable onlne search, within the Security and
Privacy panel, users can also deactiate some particular scopes (or
sources?), by right cliking on them, in the Dash, and then clicking for
deactivation.  Now the process is tedious if, as an example, a user only
wants 1 or 2 scopes to be activated.  One solution could be to include
these options in the Security and Privacy panel (which would be more
coherent, if done in a proper way) with a complete list of the sources,
and with some easy and quick way to turn some of them on or off.

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2013-12-15 Thread Frank Slezak
Can someone please mark this as CRITICAL ?

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2013-11-24 Thread papukaija
https://fixubuntu.com/ has a script which turns off remote search,
uninstalls unity-lens-shopping, disables remote scopes and blocks
connections to Ubuntu's ad server.

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2013-10-31 Thread Karma Dorje
http://www.heise.de/open/meldung/Big-Brother-Award-Austria-fuer-Mark-
Shuttleworth-2034943.html

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2013-10-29 Thread mlaverdiere
It could be considered anecdoctical I guess, but anyway, for the record!
:Ubuntu’s Amazon Shopping Feature Wins Anti-Privacy Award -
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/10/ubuntu-wins-big-brother-austria-
privacy-award

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2013-10-06 Thread mlaverdiere
I'm on Ubuntu 13.10 beta and I observe that this bug is still present,
with a slight regression, as the untraslated botome right legal notice
in the dash has dissapeared.

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2013-09-22 Thread papukaija
** Tags added: raring saucy

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2013-05-25 Thread A. Denton
The bug is unassigned since no one whats to have the responsibility I
assume. Honestly I came to Xubuntu and Canonical (to a certain extend)
years ago since I was fed up with M$ and their broken system. At present
however I'm in the middle of a migration to FreeBSD -- also because of
bugs like this one. By the way I agree with the last commenter, Jeroen
Hoek. I don't have the time to read every newsletter or announcement but
at least some of them. I never received an explanation either and
probably never will. In my opinion its O.K. for a company like Canonical
to make profit like Red Hat and others do but its not O.K. to do it like
M$ or companies like these.

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2013-05-25 Thread Benjamin Kerensa
@aquina: Its unassigned because the decision makers for product strategy
have decided to ignore a member of the Ubuntu Technical Board and the
privacy of users. Kees made some really good suggestions on how to
notify users and none of this was done.

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2013-05-11 Thread Jeroen Hoek
From reading the comments in this bug report I get the impression that
there is a general sense of agreement about how enabling on-line search
results through the Dash lenses by default violates the user's
reasonable expectancy of privacy, but I don't see any response from the
package maintainer (or rather, Canonical) explaining why this feature is
still enabled by default in Ubuntu 13.04, and when and how this high
priority bug will be fixed.

I am not heavily involved with Ubuntu, so it is quite probable that I
have overlooked some explanation on a mailinglist or blog, but shouldn't
the resolution of a confirmed high importance issue be addressed here on
the bugtracker?

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2013-04-25 Thread mlaverdiere
This bug is still present on Ubuntu 13.04.

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2013-03-11 Thread Ghislain Vaillant
I personally don't have a particular issue with Canonical trying to
moneytize Ubuntu with some ads. However, anything touching the user
privacy, be it direct or remote, should be EXPLICITLY presented to the
user. This should be done early enough so that the user can act upon,
either by turning the option off (could be a pre-install or post-
install, or a detailed howto, whatever...) or deciding not to install
the OS.

A step has been done in the right direction by adding the privacy setting in 
the control center. But I still needed to see it mentioned on a blog to realize 
this option actually existed in 12.10. I cannot see why this could not be at 
least shown in the install slideshow, something like:
- Look Ubuntu integrates online search directly to the Dash and all the 
inovative and awesomness marketing blabla,
- Don't like it ? Have a look at your privacy settings, this can be turned 
off.

On a more general note, I gave Canonical the benefit of the doubt of
rushing some features for the release of Ubuntu 12.10. However, for
13.04, I expect both the implementation and communication around this
feature to be mature and crystal clear.

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2013-02-08 Thread ctvoigt
a cool feature, but should not be activated by default.

or: the lens perhaps could be implemented the way, that result query
(privacy lag) is sent when the shopping area is clicked the first time

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2013-02-03 Thread Stanislav German-Evtushenko
Temporary solution is a remastering ISO image:
http://www.helplinux.ru/wiki/en:kb:make-ubuntu-safe

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2013-02-03 Thread Adolfo Jayme Barrientos
** Information type changed from Public to Public Security

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2013-02-03 Thread Marc Deslauriers
** Information type changed from Public Security to Public

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2013-01-11 Thread unimatrix9
@Randall Ross , i cant look at the collection of design proposals, i
seem to have no acces, maybe its just me, could you check settings ?
Thanks..

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2013-01-11 Thread Neil Broadley
@unimatrix9, as described in Randall's Full Background link in comment
#36, you must be a member of the ubuntu-etherpad team. Visit this link
(https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad) to join the team, then wait for
an admin (Randall, I think?) to authorise your membership. Then you'll
be able to see the etherpad content surrounding this privacy flaw.

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2013-01-11 Thread Adolfo Jayme Barrientos
** Changed in: libunity (Ubuntu Quantal)
   Importance: Undecided = High

** Changed in: libunity (Ubuntu Raring)
   Importance: Undecided = High

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2013-01-10 Thread Paulo Roberto de Oliveira Castro
Isn't this bug easy to be fixed?
I mean, make an entire step of Ubiquity claiming why the online results are 
important.

You don't have to make any assumption by default, just make buttons:

(back)
(No,I don't want) (Yes, I want)

and don't make any of them 'default' (don't color any of them orange).
The first time a new user logs in, show him the same screen!

Wouldn't it solve our first big problem?

Them, just make switches in the Search Results tab of the Privacy Settings, to 
let users toggle
on and off specific online search result (amazon, ubuntu one, etc.).

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2013-01-10 Thread Kees Cook
There is already a fix attached. (See Related branches above.) No one
has reviewed it.

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2013-01-10 Thread Randall Ross (rrnwexec)
@all

There is a collection of design proposals from a broader community here:
http://pad.ubuntu.com/4OnwYN3HVT

Code (and more ideas) appreciated! (I think there's more the one way to
resolve this bug.)

Full background is here:
http://randall.executiv.es/bestsearchintheworld3

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2013-01-09 Thread Carsten Agger
Thanks to Mike Davis for the summary. I'd just like to add that I really
hope to see this issue fixed in 13.04.

As a formerly very active member of the Ubuntu LoCo and present free
software activist, I really don't feel I can recommend Ubuntu 12.10 to
anyone as long as this bug stands. It's a betrayal of the values that
formerly led me to support Ubuntu and struggle to get the word out to
people, and after 12.04 (which is an excellent system BTW) I may well
have to start recommending that people use Trisquel or Debian instead of
Ubuntu.

As a user, my strong feeling is that if my computer is to search for
anything online it's because *I* ask it to, explicitly. If Amazon search
is opt-out not opt-in, a very basic trust is betrayed.

While a genuine privacy concern is standing, also note that the Ubuntu
brand IS being tarnished. A lot of valuable community members and users
are having second thoughts because of it. I think that's not in the
interest of either Canonical, Ubuntu or anyone else in the free software
community. Ubuntu needs to stay strong and well-respected.

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2013-01-08 Thread papukaija
** Tags added: i386 privacy

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2013-01-08 Thread papukaija
These days too many companies make pro£it by raping users' privacy. I
didn't except canonical to be one of them.

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2013-01-08 Thread Alan Pope
@papukaija lets keep this civil  factual and not conflate this software
bug with sexual assault please.

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2013-01-08 Thread Benjamin Kerensa
@papukaija: Please be mindful of the Ubuntu Code of Conduct. Bugs do not
exist to argue but instead to resolve a issue with software.

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Re: [Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2013-01-08 Thread mike davis
While I agree that things must remain civil,  your comment implies a
dialogue that just doesn't seem to be happening to get the  issue fixed.

So far the EFF has proposed a series of fixes that  i think are
reasonable compromises to fix this bug but we have yet to hear a real
response plan from those maintaining the package..

and for that matter..why hasn't notice for these issues made it out to
ubuntu security notices as
otherhttp://packetstormsecurity.com/files/113307/USN-1465-1.txt
sslhttp://packetstormsecurity.com/files/113306/USN-1465-2.txt /
privacyhttp://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1619-1/ bugs have on 12.10 so
that users can take appropriate steps to mitigate?


-mike

On Jan 8, 2013, at 4:39 PM, Benjamin Kerensa
bkere...@ubuntu.commailto:bkere...@ubuntu.com wrote:

@papukaija: Please be mindful of the Ubuntu Code of Conduct. Bugs do not
exist to argue but instead to resolve a issue with software.

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Title:
 Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

Status in “libunity” package in Ubuntu:
 Confirmed
Status in “unity-lens-shopping” package in Ubuntu:
 Confirmed
Status in “libunity” source package in Quantal:
 Confirmed
Status in “unity-lens-shopping” source package in Quantal:
 Confirmed
Status in “libunity” source package in Raring:
 Confirmed
Status in “unity-lens-shopping” source package in Raring:
 Confirmed

Bug description:
 See this from the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), a well
 respected international non-profit digital rights advocacy and legal
 organization (as described on Wikipedia):
 https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/10/privacy-ubuntu-1210-amazon-ads-
 and-data-leaks

 Obviously, despite some improvements that have came late in the 12.10
 development cycle, there are still serious privacy concerns with the
 unity shopping lens.  To be more precise, here are the main problems
 to be fixed according to EFF:

 - Disable Include online search results by default.

 - Explain in detail what Canonical does with search queries and IP
 addresses, how long it stores them, and in what circumstances it gives
 them to third parties.

 - Make the Search Results tab of the Privacy settings let users toggle
 on and off specific online search results, as some users might want
 Amazon products in their search results, but never anything from
 Facebook.

 Here is another related bug:

  #1055952 Direct data leaking to Amazon:
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-
 shopping/+bug/1055952

 ProblemType: Bug
 DistroRelease: Ubuntu 12.10
 Package: unity-lens-shopping 6.8.0-0ubuntu1
 Uname: Linux 3.5.6-030506-generic x86_64
 NonfreeKernelModules: wl
 ApportVersion: 2.6.1-0ubuntu6
 Architecture: amd64
 Date: Tue Oct 30 06:35:38 2012
 InstallationDate: Installed on 2012-02-12 (260 days ago)
 InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 11.10 Oneiric Ocelot - Release amd64 (20111012)
 MarkForUpload: True
 SourcePackage: unity-lens-shopping
 UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to quantal on 2012-09-28 (31 days ago)

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2012-12-11 Thread A. Denton
I read R. Stallmans article Ubuntu Spyware: What to Do?  as well as
the reply On Richard Stallman and Ubuntu by Jono B. Therefore I can
say that Jono plain wrong. On the one hand he shares the goals of the
FSF and points out that he shares the very same goals as well and on the
other hand he apolizizes for pushing it by implementing this technology
into recent Ubuntu releases. In my opionion Ubuntu became what it is
today (among other reasons) due to the fact it did not include spyware.
Yes, it is spayware and about the same Microsoft, Apple and some others
implemented in the past.

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2012-12-10 Thread mlaverdiere
Here is Jono Bacon (Ubuntu Community Manager) comment about the FSF
(RMS) statement:  http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/12/07/on-richard-
stallman-and-ubuntu/

I know this a bug report is not the place to discuss/argue, but I just
want to present what is I think the rationale behind the issue at stake
with the current bug report (which also explains I think why there is a
massive rejection of the way the Amazon search feature has been
implemented and why the few reasons given up to now by Canonical and
relatives - like Jono - are not calming things).

Here's what I wrote as a comment on Jono's blog:

Privacy is not just a deeply personal thing. In law, there is what we*
call common and basic reasonable expectations in relation to privacy,
that may exist in a variety of situations, including when using an
operating system. I really doubt that having search data sent to a third
party without the user's express authorization could be considered a
reasonable expectation, in the particular context where the search is
performed within what is primarily known or viewed by a vast majority of
users as a local application/file launcher/searcher (i.e Unity's Dash).

I understand that the goal of the dash in Ubuntu has always been to provide a 
central place in which you can search and find things that are interesting and 
relevant to you. But if Ubuntu/Canonical want to outgrow the usual local
application/file launcher/searcher paradigm, it has to be really clear about it 
with users (I doubt that the untranslated legal notice at the bottom left of 
the Dash is sufficient) and request all necessary users express authorizations. 
Without specific authorization, these external (online) search features should 
be off.

And the explanation related to the iterativenature of the Ubuntu
development is not really convincing me. If , really, privacy is
critically important to Ubuntu/Canonical and is put forward as a high
priority, then privacy should be considered at the root of any project
development. It shouldn't be an afterthought, leading to incomplete
solutions implemented late in the development cycle. Ubuntu 12.10 is not
an alpha or beta version of Ubuntu. It is an official released to my
understanding.

Finally, it seems to me that it would be so much more productive for
Canonical to just say what they intend to do to fix the problem, either
with 12.10 or, at least, with Raring (13.04). Obviously, implementing
EFF recommendations is probably the right thing to do here.

*I'm a lawyer, although not specialized in privacy law, but with a bit
of knowledge about these issues.

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2012-12-09 Thread Ashickur Rahman
We are also waiting for Canonical response regarding this issue.

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2012-12-08 Thread mlaverdiere
Here is the Free Software Foundation describing Ubuntu as a spyware:
http://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do

I'm pretty sure that the Ubuntu community is not so proud to be pointed
at for privacy concerns by such respected institutions as EFF and FSF...

Now, what Canonical is feeling (and more important, doing) about this?

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2012-12-07 Thread Benjamin Kerensa
Not action on this bug yet?

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2012-12-07 Thread Chauncellor
@benjamin: Please do open many many bugs regarding privacy, especially
things like the lack of SSL (what the hell were they thinking?)

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2012-11-14 Thread cm-t arudy
@unimatrix9
If I understand what you said, in the installation process you have information 
and choice about online results(...)
I think this is not a way to resolve fully this bug: 
Only the user admin will be notified about his own privacy; 
indeed data belong to every single users of the system. (It is the main reason 
why we added the 'ballot screen' (https://launchpad.net/dash-privacy-interface) 
launch at the start of all user first login in unity.)

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2012-11-14 Thread Benjamin Kerensa
From the Amazon Product Advertising API Operating Agreement:

ensuring that you do not use the Product Advertising API, Data Feed,
Product Advertising Content, or your application in a manner that
*infringes*, *violates* or *misappropriates* any of our rights or those
of *any other person* or entity (including copyrights, trademarks,
*privacy*, publicity, or other intellectual property or proprietary
rights); 


I'm pretty sure that Amazon would accept the EFF's position that user privacy 
is being violated.

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2012-11-14 Thread cm-t arudy
@bkerensa 
- Users privacy not respected - Implementation of EFF recommandations
- required
+ Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy 

Shouldn't be Remote result in the Dash (lenses/scopes) Does No Respect
User Privacy since it is not a shopping lens issu only as we said
before ? or should considere to open the clone of this bug for every
lens and package this bug is related (I'd rather not do)?

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2012-11-14 Thread Benjamin Kerensa
i think the title is accurate as it explains the bug but yes new bugs
for each affected package will need to be opened like the unity
music lens still does not use ssl.

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2012-11-13 Thread mlaverdiere
@Benjamin:  Bonjour! - I don't mind the headline change (and being
polite!), but I do think that, in some ways, Ubuntu/Canonical may be
*required* to introduce some changes (those recommended by EFF and maybe
others) regarding the shopping lens (and probably other online search
lenses) it they really want, as they claim, to respect users privacy...
and even maybe some regional/national laws.  The fact that Canonical is
investing a lot of $/efforts in Ubuntu is great but IMHO is irrelevant
as far as the current issue is concerned.

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2012-11-13 Thread mlaverdiere
** Also affects: unity-lens-shopping
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** No longer affects: unity-lens-shopping

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2012-11-13 Thread unimatrix9
no longer affects:unity-lens-shopping ??

could you give some more details ? are we to understand that the issue
is resolved ?

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2012-11-13 Thread cm-t arudy
I think it affects all lens having remote results.
Privacy (user information/choice: ergonomy) and Data (user data security 
in/out: technical) should be resolved from the container of these lense. This 
bug affect these package like a symptom, but maybe I am wrong (I didnt check 
dependency).

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2012-11-13 Thread Kees Cook
@didier: please assign this to someone. Leaving it unassigned looks
like no one is working on it.

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2012-11-13 Thread unimatrix9
i see different people working on solutions and idea's on launchpad on
this topic , for example the legal notice, not sure where to comment on
the issue,

but, could it be an idea that in the installation proces,  at the same
spot that is ticked for install third-party software , you get the
option to install the online search lenses , or to not install it, with
the legal notice there. Seems to me the right spot.

http://www.ico.gov.uk/for_organisations/data_protection/the_guide/principle_1.aspx

is an interesting read on the topic of Processing personal data fairly
and lawfully from ICO ,

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2012-11-13 Thread mlaverdiere
@unimatrix9:  Just an error from me when I tried to link the current
report to other online search/shopping lenses (unity-scope-video-remote
and unity-scope-musicstores) and I mistakenly added the unity-lens-
shopping. I removed it since it was redundant as the current report is
already (and still) linked to unity-lens-shopping.

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2012-11-13 Thread Kees Cook
I see two steps:

1) set default to none (instead of all)
2) develop a sensible configuration system that allows granulary control over 
the remote search settings

There is no reason to wait on 1 before 2 is finished.


** Also affects: libunity (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2012-11-13 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
** Branch linked: lp:~kees/libunity/remote-search-none

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2012-11-13 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users.

** Changed in: libunity (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2012-11-13 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users.

** Changed in: libunity (Ubuntu Quantal)
   Status: New = Confirmed

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2012-11-12 Thread Benjamin Kerensa
@mlaverdiere: Bonjour, I adjusted bug headline since it seemed demanding
because clearly Canonical is not required to do anything they choose
not to after all they invest so much into Ubuntu. I think for purposes
of being polite the bug should just be described as is without adding
demanding wording to the headline of it.

@Kees: Thanks for your blog post it was straight to the point.

** Summary changed:

- Users privacy not respected -  Implementation of EFF recommandations required
+ Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

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[Bug 1073114] Re: Shopping Lens Does Not Respect User Privacy

2012-11-12 Thread Didier Roche
Please Kees, you konw as previously working for canonical that the
policy is not to assign to a team before legal and design saw the issues
and gave their advice. This is counter-productive.

I'm pinging them and will only assign the desktop team (or rather, the
correct team, which is the product strategy one as you probably know)
once we are settled down on the topic.

** Changed in: unity-lens-shopping (Ubuntu Quantal)
 Assignee: Canonical Desktop Team (canonical-desktop-team) = (unassigned)

** Changed in: unity-lens-shopping (Ubuntu Raring)
 Assignee: Canonical Desktop Team (canonical-desktop-team) = (unassigned)

** Changed in: unity-lens-shopping (Ubuntu Quantal)
Milestone: quantal-updates = None

** Changed in: unity-lens-shopping (Ubuntu Raring)
Milestone: ubuntu-13.04-beta-1 = None

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