[Bug 1196239] Re: Add support for fake modes on laptop screens which only have one
Syncing task from Mir. ** Changed in: mir (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided => Wishlist ** Changed in: mir (Ubuntu) Status: New => Triaged -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1196239 Title: Add support for fake modes on laptop screens which only have one To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1196239/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1196239] Re: Add support for fake modes on laptop screens which only have one
Bug filed to track scaling support: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mir/+bug/1645372 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1196239 Title: Add support for fake modes on laptop screens which only have one To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1196239/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1196239] Re: Add support for fake modes on laptop screens which only have one
Excellent point. However I did not explain myself in that we do still plan on providing users with the means to set an arbitrary fake resolution. Whether or not we add common fake resolutions like 1024x768 to the modes list is all this bug needs to be about. I would like to say such fake resolutions should not appear in the modes list, since there are countless possible fake resolutions and it would also be nice to distinguish hardware modes from faked modes. However I am aware of existing cases where games like to enumerate and select from a fixed list of modes. So maybe we will have to do this sooner. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1196239 Title: Add support for fake modes on laptop screens which only have one To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1196239/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1196239] Re: Add support for fake modes on laptop screens which only have one
> “My laptop's graphics card|driver is slow|bad. I want to play game X, but at 1920x1080 I get an average of 3 frames per seconds—even with the lowest quality settings.” I can argue that the same can be said for e.g. youtube videos. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1196239 Title: Add support for fake modes on laptop screens which only have one To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1196239/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1196239] Re: Add support for fake modes on laptop screens which only have one
I think the priority is incorrect, and hopefully not based on the scaling comment, which I think is maybe one use case, but not the most important one: “My laptop's graphics card|driver is slow|bad. I want to play game X, but at 1920x1080 I get an average of 3 frames per seconds—even with the lowest quality settings.” Isn't one solution to limit the amount of pixels being rendered? I think this is critical for gaming, as I've used this _a lot_ in the past and current. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1196239 Title: Add support for fake modes on laptop screens which only have one To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1196239/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1196239] Re: Add support for fake modes on laptop screens which only have one
Bill, Please log a new bug for the scale slider (if you can't find one). It will need both 'ubuntu-system-settings' and 'Mir' tasks. Possibly also Unity8/qtmir tasks? Changing the scale does not change the actual size of the pixels (because we want everything to be sharp still) so that's unrelated to this bug or the other bug mentioned here. Still, very important to the U8 desktop. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1196239 Title: Add support for fake modes on laptop screens which only have one To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1196239/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1196239] Re: Add support for fake modes on laptop screens which only have one
Triaged but very low priority. Mir and Unity8 will have better options for scaling than "fake modes" in future. ** Changed in: mir Status: Incomplete => Triaged -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1196239 Title: Add support for fake modes on laptop screens which only have one To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1196239/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1196239] Re: Add support for fake modes on laptop screens which only have one
Just catching up on the comments here.. To answer the question of what is the user requirement, I believe the answer is "I'd like everything on my screen to look bigger/smaller". The system settings for Displays will have a Scale slider (which currently is hidden until the capability exists). Where is the bug/work item captured to implement Scaling in the shell? If this bug is a wishlist, the other surely needs to be High priority. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1196239 Title: Add support for fake modes on laptop screens which only have one To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1196239/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1196239] Re: Add support for fake modes on laptop screens which only have one
Absolutely. I was already thinking that but thanks for pointing it out. Although the implementations may turn out to be directly related we're keeping separate bugs in case they turn out to not be related, and because implementing bug 1639226 it seems is more important than resolving this one by itself (see above comments). ** Changed in: mir Importance: High => Low ** Changed in: mir Importance: Low => Wishlist -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1196239 Title: Add support for fake modes on laptop screens which only have one To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1196239/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1196239] Re: Add support for fake modes on laptop screens which only have one
I was just including my example as another plus point for fake modes ("scale"
in this case didn't mean "output scaling".
If we had the fake modes then output scaling wouldn't really be required in
this case, as we would have a set of mutually inclusive modes to chose from.
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[Bug 1196239] Re: Add support for fake modes on laptop screens which only have one
Nick, You've got your bugs mixed up. That comment belongs in bug 1639226 and the comment in that bug belongs here. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1196239 Title: Add support for fake modes on laptop screens which only have one To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1196239/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1196239] Re: Add support for fake modes on laptop screens which only have one
This is also an issue when we have cloned displays. We need to be able to scale down to a fake mode. My laptop screen only runs at 1080p and if I have an external monitor plugged in with a lower resolution (eg 720), the only valid resolution will be the lower one. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1196239 Title: Add support for fake modes on laptop screens which only have one To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1196239/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1196239] Re: Add support for fake modes on laptop screens which only have one
Sounds roughly like what I said in the previous comments. I agree Mir should not be providing fake modes just to address scaling. Scaling should be done in the shell but using the real native mode of the display for maximum visual quality. However... some shells might not scale adequately and/or some users will have strange preferences and supporting fake modes is just a nice-to- have feature for those cases. Unity8 does not fall into this category so this bug should not be considered high priority IMHO. Just add a slider in Unity8's settings to adjust the scale, and implement it correctly :) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1196239 Title: Add support for fake modes on laptop screens which only have one To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1196239/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1196239] Re: Add support for fake modes on laptop screens which only have one
So, migrating discussion from a bug marked as duplicate: OK, there's a design discussion to be had here. In these cases, mirout is correct - your display has exactly one mode it can be driven at. X adds a whole bunch of fake “standard” modes, but they're just that - fake. Selecting one of the fake modes does not change the video mode; instead, it scales the rendering up to the monitor's mode. What is the user requirement here? I'd prefer the Mir API to accurately reflect the capabilities of the system, but one of those capabilities is that we can scale content. If the user-requirement is “I'd like everything on my screen to look bigger”, we can do that. Indeed, this seems to be the Apple approach - https://support.apple.com /en-au/HT202471 - there's the “optimal resolution” button, and then the “make everything larger or smaller” option. (Note that the user requirement *cannot* be “I'd like to change the display mode”, because Unity 7 doesn't change the display mode in these cases ☺) ** Changed in: mir Status: Triaged => Incomplete -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1196239 Title: Add support for fake modes on laptop screens which only have one To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1196239/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1196239] Re: Add support for fake modes on laptop screens which only have one
Implementing this will degrade visual quality to some degree. And the alternative I mentioned above won't. We will indeed implement this still, but how is it a high priority compared to just correctly scaling Unity8 and using the native/preferred display resolution for maximum quality? ** Changed in: mir Assignee: (unassigned) => Daniel van Vugt (vanvugt) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1196239 Title: Add support for fake modes on laptop screens which only have one To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1196239/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1196239] Re: Add support for fake modes on laptop screens which only have one
Upping the priority since this is needed for Ubuntu personal. ** Changed in: mir Importance: Wishlist => High -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1196239 Title: Add support for fake modes on laptop screens which only have one To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1196239/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1196239] Re: Add support for fake modes on laptop screens which only have one
I've been thinking about this - and we will implement it eventually - but I don't think the readability of Unity8 desktop should be the motivator. Rather, Unity8 desktop scaling should be solved with a configurable scale factor that just makes text (and widgets proportionally) larger without moving away from the screen's best native resolution. That was always the plan anyway and Unity8 probably has a scaling feature buried inside already. We just need to find out the command (or better get a GUI) for configuring the scale. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1196239 Title: Add support for fake modes on laptop screens which only have one To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1196239/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1196239] Re: Add support for fake modes on laptop screens which only have one
this feature becomes quite critical to use a unity8 desktop, as it's unusable now on a high res screen unless you have amazing vision :) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1196239 Title: Add support for fake modes on laptop screens which only have one To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1196239/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1196239] Re: Add support for fake modes on laptop screens which only have one
** Also affects: canonical-devices-system-image Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: canonical-devices-system-image Status: New => Triaged ** Changed in: canonical-devices-system-image Importance: Undecided => Wishlist ** Tags added: unity8-desktop ** Description changed: - With XMir installed cannot change my monitor's resolution, I only get 1366x768(16:9). - This is my hardware: http://pastebin.com/4mzGN7By. + Reproduce: + run mirout + + What happens: + I only see one resolution supported. + + What should happen: + I should see more resolutions, like I do on unity7. + + I guess, if in doubt, “support” the same ones as xrandr. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1196239 Title: Add support for fake modes on laptop screens which only have one To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1196239/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
