[Bug 130938] Re: gnome-keyring-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in strchr()

2007-08-09 Thread Sebastien Bacher
The apport bugs are private by default in gutsy, that should address
your concern. Look like Kees did an error while cleaning the list of
bugs wrongly tagged a security issue, that can happen to everybody

** This bug is no longer flagged as a security issue

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[Bug 130938] Re: gnome-keyring-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in strchr()

2007-08-09 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Unchecking the security option again, that looks like a simple crash and
not a vulnerability that can be exploited

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Re: [Bug 130938] Re: gnome-keyring-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in strchr()

2007-08-09 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Thu, 2007-08-09 at 07:52 +, Sebastien Bacher wrote:
 Unchecking the security option again, that looks like a simple crash and
 not a vulnerability that can be exploited

I wasn't sure which flag was which and erred on the side of safety.

When a bug is private to subscribers only does anything prevent some
Joe from simply subscribing to see the contents?

Can a private bug be a bug others are duplicated to, such that the
subscriber of the duplicate bug automatically becomes a subscriber (by
way of duplicate flagging) of the private bug?

What is really needed here is something like:
http://www.usenix.org/publications/library/proceedings/sec03/tech/full_papers/broadwell/broadwell_html/scrash.html

I don't know of any real-world implementations of such a thing though.
I don't know if any of the existing security frameworks will contain
userspace data.  I tend to think they don't/won't -- they typically only
deal with kernel objects.

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Re: [Bug 130938] Re: gnome-keyring-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in strchr()

2007-08-09 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Thu, 2007-08-09 at 07:51 +, Sebastien Bacher wrote:
 The apport bugs are private by default in gutsy, that should address
 your concern.

Partly, yes.  Sensitive data is still being exposed albeit to a smaller
group of people.  But it's also only be guarded by the security of
Launchpad.  Those are both enough to make me nervous.

 Look like Kees did an error while cleaning the list of
 bugs wrongly tagged a security issue, that can happen to everybody

Perhaps.  This was careless though.  I would say anyone dealing with
bugs tagged as a security issue has an extra level of responsibility and
needs to be an order of magnitude more careful in their actions (measure
twice, cut once).  The very nature of a package that deals in secrets is
that it is likely that at least one of them in is in the core file
and/or stack trace.

As I said previously though, the real answer is the automated scrubbing
of data marked sensitive as it passes through the
core-dumping-and-debugging process.

And then of course, the world of FOSS has to be taught to use it.  :-(

This sounds like a wonderful project for a Canonical developer.  :-)
I'd say it belongs right in the heart of gcc/glibc/kernel so that it's
ubiquitous and not just available to those by adding a
library/build-time dependency.

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[Bug 130938] Re: gnome-keyring-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in strchr()

2007-08-08 Thread Kees Cook
** Visibility changed to: Public

** This bug is no longer flagged as a security issue

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[Bug 130938] Re: gnome-keyring-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in strchr()

2007-08-08 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Thanks for your bug report. This bug has been reported to the developers
of the software. You can track it and make comments here:
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=464859

** Changed in: gnome-keyring (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: (unassigned) = Ubuntu Desktop Bugs
   Status: New = Triaged

** Also affects: gnome-keyring (upstream) via
   http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=464859
   Importance: Unknown
   Status: Unknown

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[Bug 130938] Re: gnome-keyring-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in strchr()

2007-08-08 Thread Sebastien Bacher
The backtrace has 'secret = 0xb7efb038 now is the time', which
I didn't notice before sending the bug. Not sure if that's the keyring
key, the bug is marked private but you might want to change it if that's
a private information

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Re: [Bug 130938] Re: gnome-keyring-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in strchr()

2007-08-08 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 22:07 +, Kees Cook wrote:
 ** Visibility changed to: Public

Complete with my secret in it.  Thanks very much.

I really don't think it is your place to determine if a bug I marked
private is indeed private or public.  I marked it private for very good
reason.  I obviously had more instinct that there was probably private
data in it than you did.

I have warned about this exact problem time and time again within
different bugs in Launchpad with this automated (apport) bug
submission tool.

It's obviously high time for official policy on dealing with bugs marked
as private/security issue which may contain private data.

I wonder how many users are compromising security of systems without
even realizing it.

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Re: [Bug 130938] Re: gnome-keyring-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in strchr()

2007-08-08 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 22:55 +, Sebastien Bacher wrote:
 The backtrace has 'secret = 0xb7efb038 now is the time', which
 I didn't notice before sending the bug. Not sure if that's the keyring
 key, the bug is marked private but you might want to change it if that's
 a private information

Apparently it's not private.  Kees Cook changed the visibility to
public.  I have already made my position clear about that.  Indeed, I am
not at all happy about it.

I'm really not sure how to balance the usefulness of my reporting bugs
with apport and all of the data that it may contain with the possibility
(and indeed, probability as we have now seen) that that data may be
secret and shared with anyone who wishes to look.

As I've said before, this needs to be addressed -- some how.

b.

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[Bug 130938] Re: gnome-keyring-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in strchr()

2007-08-08 Thread Brian J. Murrell
** Visibility changed to: Private

** This bug has been flagged as a security issue

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