[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic
Addressing the challenge of non-deterministic SIM selection for mobile data in your Ubuntu-based system, especially when managing calls and SMS with ofono for your home automation and alarm system, necessitates a multifaceted approach. Firstly, ensuring that your ofono installation and the WIKO Riff 3 Plus phones' firmware are up to date is crucial, as updates may enhance SIM management capabilities. Since ofono's primary focus is on voice and SMS services, with less emphasis on data connectivity, you might need to delve into its configuration or leverage its DBus API for explicit SIM selection. This could involve custom scripting to enforce a specific SIM for data connectivity, tailored to your requirements. Alternatively, exploring other software solutions more attuned to dual-SIM management might be necessary, although it could mean significant adjustments to your current setup. Moreover, engaging with online communities or forums related to ofono, Ubuntu, or your specific hardware might unearth valuable insights or solutions from individuals who have encountered and resolved similar issues. This composite strategy aims to bring predictability to your SIM selection process,for example to choose a prefix number to get good data service https://whatnetworkphl.com/0955-what-network-philippines-is-tm-or-globe- sim-or-smart/ enhancing the reliability of your home automation and alarm system's communication capabilities. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1379412 Title: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1379412/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic
** No longer affects: ubuntu-ux -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1379412 Title: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1379412/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic
** Changed in: canonical-devices-system-image Assignee: John McAleely (john.mcaleely) => (unassigned) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1379412 Title: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1379412/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic
** No longer affects: ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu RTM) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1379412 Title: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1379412/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic
** Changed in: canonical-devices-system-image Assignee: Canonical Phone Foundations (canonical-phonedations-team) => John McAleely (john.mcaleely) ** Changed in: ofono (Ubuntu) Assignee: Canonical Phone Foundations (canonical-phonedations-team) => (unassigned) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1379412 Title: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1379412/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic
** Changed in: ubuntu-ux Status: Triaged = In Progress -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1379412 Title: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1379412/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic
Specification updated. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Networking?action=diffrev2=289rev1=288 Following Alfonso's and Tony's feedback, the rule no longer includes signal strength, roaming, or recalculating. It still does include locked/unlocked and 4G/3G/worse. ** Changed in: ubuntu-ux Status: In Progress = Fix Committed ** Description changed: Our current implementation of SIM selection for mobile data is currently ( as of RTM #94 ) non-deterministic. If two SIMs are installed in the phone at first boot ofono will self- power the ConnectionManager interfaces for both modems which results in the 'Powered' property of both being set to 'true'. Only one of the two will attach to the network however, and if both SIMs are unlocked, this is usually the second slot. Note, if the second SIM is locked, then the first SIM is used for mobile data. The cellular system settings uses the 'Powered' property to choose which SIM is selected, so the current behavior is clearly broken. - It was suggested that we should change ofono to not self-power it's - ConnectionManager interface, and instead add a wizard page that allows - the user to choose which SIM to use for mobile data. + https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Networking#cellular-mobile: On a dual-SIM + phone, “Cellular data:” should instead be radio options for “Off” and + each SIM. After first setup and SIM unlock prompt (if any), this setting + should be set by default to the only unlocked SIM if there is only one, + otherwise the only 4G SIM if there is only one, otherwise the only 3G + SIM if there is only one, otherwise the first SIM. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1379412 Title: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1379412/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic
** Changed in: canonical-devices-system-image Milestone: ww21-2015 = None -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1379412 Title: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1379412/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic
** Changed in: canonical-devices-system-image Milestone: ww17-2015 = ww21-2015 ** Changed in: canonical-devices-system-image Status: Confirmed = Incomplete -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1379412 Title: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1379412/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic
I am not clear on the plan to address this or not ** Changed in: canonical-devices-system-image Milestone: ww13-2015 = ww17-2015 ** Changed in: canonical-devices-system-image Assignee: Michael Frey (mfrey) = Canonical Phone Foundations (canonical-phonedations-team) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1379412 Title: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1379412/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic
@Pat The suggestion from Alfonso was to fix this via a new page in the first boot wizard which would ask the user which SIM they'd prefer to use for mobile data. This would only be displayed if the phone detected more then one inserted SIM. The general consensus from design was that this was less than ideal and that we should figure out how to do this automatically. Alfonso and I discussed this today, and it's my belief that we could do this by checking to see which SIM was inserted in the 3g capable slot and only setting the ConnectionManager's 'Powered' attribute to True for this modem. This would require us extending the GPRS interface to allow the ofono core to query the 3g capability of the modem slot, which is a very MTK-specific capability. If we implemented this, we'd need to figure out how to make this more generic. Note, bug #1413672 is related, and has a fix currently in-review. Finally, the fix for this bug cannot be deployed as an OTA update, it would require a factory image update, as this bug only occurs during first boot *if* the user had installed two SIMs before-hand. It also potentially could occur if the user resets the phone, but this scenario hasn't been verified. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1379412 Title: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1379412/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic
** Changed in: ubuntu-ux Status: In Progress = Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1379412 Title: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1379412/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic
** Changed in: ubuntu-ux Status: Confirmed = Triaged -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1379412 Title: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1379412/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic
** Changed in: canonical-devices-system-image Assignee: (unassigned) = Michael Frey (mfrey) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1379412 Title: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1379412/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic
I am assuming this is a settings oriented fix? Its still unclear ** Changed in: canonical-devices-system-image Milestone: ww11-2015 = ww13-2015 ** Changed in: ofono (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Canonical Phone Foundations (canonical-phonedations-team) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1379412 Title: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1379412/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic
** Changed in: canonical-devices-system-image Milestone: ww07-2015 = ww11-2015 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1379412 Title: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1379412/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic
** Also affects: ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu RTM) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu RTM) Status: New = Confirmed ** Changed in: ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu RTM) Importance: Undecided = High -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1379412 Title: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1379412/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic
** Changed in: canonical-devices-system-image Milestone: ww05-2015 = ww07-2015 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1379412 Title: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1379412/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic
Letting you use a phone without unlocking the SIM(s) is deliberate, on the grounds that it is still as useful as an iPod Touch. If people expect locking the SIM(s) to lock the phone as a whole, that would be a security problem, but as far as I know we don't have any evidence of that. Alfonso torpedoes my re-run proposal by pointing out that if you have chosen a data SIM manually, you don't want that choice to change without permission. When I designed (2) Auto switch to avoid roaming, I did not assume that people ever buy a phone somewhere that results in the phone roaming, but rather that a common use case for dual SIM will be when you travel frequently between two countries, with one SIM native to each. If *that* isn't common, I could remove it from the design. Meanwhile, though, it implies that the data SIM selection won't automatically change otherwise; if it did that would be surprising. Nevertheless, If adding a step to the first-run setup isn't acceptable (I agree it isn't), and defaulting to no data isn't acceptable, then we still need some method of choosing the data SIM automatically in the first place. We still (1) shouldn't choose one that is locked, and (4) shouldn't choose one on 2G if the other is on 3G. As we don't prompt for SIM PINs during the wizard, one or both SIMs could be locked. This could leave us with no SIM selected, unless we run the algorithm everytime a SIM is unlocked as you suggest. If one or both SIMs are locked, on first run you get the setup, then the greeter, then the SIM unlock prompt(s), then the tutorial. http://goo.gl/6Y7Hxb If both are locked, the algorithm doesn't need to run after each unlock prompt, just after they have both finished. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1379412 Title: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1379412/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic
While your point about using need and should in a bug report is valid for most instances, this bug was originally created based upon a consensus in one of our network/telephony meetings as the only viable way to solve the underlying non-deterministic selection problem. Perhaps it should've have been created as wishlist bug to better align with the bug summary. The bug was closed because Alfonso and I made an incorrect assumption in comment #10 that the first SIM would be selected. I'm not quite sure how we came to that conclusion as it doesn't match the original bug description, but clearly there wasn't enough testing to back this up... As for your straw-man proposal, I think while some of your logic makes sense, the overall proposal is too complicated, especially given the time period we have in which to address the bug before the final image is released for krillin. Some additional points: 1. As we don't prompt for SIM PINs during the wizard, one or both SIMs could be locked. This could leave us with no SIM selected, unless we run the algorithm everytime a SIM is unlocked as you suggest. 2. I honestly don't think roaming should be involved. It's pretty rare for someone to buy a phone somewhere that results in the phone roaming and if they do, the possibility that they have one SIM that roams and one that doesn't is also pretty low. I see this as an edge case ( which certainly could be useful to advanced users ), and thus fine for requiring manual settings changes. 3. The device in question doesn't support 4G. This is essentially the same as you're fourth point though, choose the one with the best possible network capability. This is essentially what Olga proposed when she said can't we always just pick SIM1? 4. Choosing based on signal quality isn't a good idea in my mind, as you still may get better data throughput with a 3G connection with a lower signal quality than with a 2G connection with a higher signal quality. Also, if I buy a 3g capable phone, I want to use 3g. I would be disappointed if it selected 2g as a default for any reason other than lack of a SIM in the 3g slot. 5. I also disagree with re-running the algorithm blindly in all the conditions you list. - power on/reboot: when the phone boots, I expect the settings to stay static, not magically change. - lock/unlock SIM: I think the case where a user ignores auto- prompting for a SIM PIN will be rare ( unless it's not the owner ), so I don't really see much value in covering this case. - auto-switch when roaming: this is a great idea, please file a wishlist bug for system-settings, and add an ofono task. - changing data technology for a SIM: indeed this is a valid case, but as you're on the settings page when this change is made, I would argue that the user can just change it then and there. On krillin/Android, if the user changes which SIM is capable of 3g, they're auto-prompted to see if they'd like to use this SIM for data. We should consider such an enhancement for a future update. - turn on mobile data - again the user does this from the cellular settings page. If they want to change which SIM is used for mobile data, they can do so on this page. - exit flight-mode - I would argue that you'd only want to possibly switch if the user ends up in a different country and the second SIM has a matching country code to the new country ( ie. one of the two SIMs isn't roaming ). As you point out, this might be best handled as an interactive decision, and maybe we ask about switching 3g capability at the same time? Finally, as a user if I've decided I don't like the default setting calculated by the phone's algorithm during the wizard run, I'm going to manually override via the settings. If the blindly re-runs it's algorithm in all of these cases, it may revert my choice, which will piss me off. So... while there are many good ideas presented here, the bottom line is that this bug is for deciding how the initial decision is made after first boot. I think it should be as simple as: 1. If a single SIM is installed, it's selected for mobile data. 2. If two SIMs are installed, the first SIM ( ie. the one with the best network capability ) is chosen for mobile data. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1379412 Title: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1379412/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic
Also as an aside, I find it curious that we allow a user to use a phone if they don't know the SIM PIN ( via the X on the PIN prompt dialog ). Seems like a security hole to me. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1379412 Title: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1379412/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic
** Also affects: canonical-devices-system-image Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: canonical-devices-system-image Importance: Undecided = High ** Changed in: canonical-devices-system-image Status: New = Confirmed ** Changed in: canonical-devices-system-image Milestone: None = ww05-2015 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1379412 Title: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1379412/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic
Although the proposal in comment #11 has merit, in the end what the user wants is *predictability*, not that some rules that he does not know about might be lucky and do what he wants. There are myriad of reasons that might make those rules fail and do not do what the user wants. What does someone expect when buying a new phone? IMHO: * One SIM inserted - The user wants to have data activated * Two SIMs inserted - The user wants to have data activated for one SIM, but probably not for the other (the secondary SIM tends to be used just for calls/SMS). The problem is that we do not have a clue on which SIM does he want to use for data, as the reasons tend to be main operator vs operator for doing some calls SIM or work vs personal SIM. Besides, we know which is the main slot, but that is not obvious at all looking at the phone, so the user might have inserted what he considers the main SIM in any slot. In this case, I would say that the right option is to let data off for both SIMs until we have a wizard that lets him select the SIM for data on first boot. The user that has inserted two SIMs on the phone is probably knowledgeable enough to go to system settings and choose the SIM he wants for data. To summarize my proposal: One SIM - Data on for that SIM Two SIMs - Data off for both -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1379412 Title: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1379412/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic
Regarding comment #14, we discussed your proposal. and both Mathew and myself both agreed that defaulting to non-selected also seems wrong. As you point out, someone that's inserted two SIMs into the phone is probably advanced enough to go to the settings and change the setting if they don't like the initial choice. One last comment... it'd be helpful if someone could check to see what the behavior of Android is with respect to SIM selection for mobile data. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1379412 Title: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1379412/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
