[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-25 Thread Israel Dahl
Hi,
Nio e-mailed me about this recently.
I have one idea, that might work.

a postintpostint script is being described... so the only real hacky
workaround I can think of is to create a script.

This script can check for internet and wait until apt is finished(or
wait 5 minutes).  Then it can update the database.

install the script, and then run it from postinst.  Once it is run it can 
delete itself, or flag something for postinst to not run it ever again...
postinst could say something like

if [ -f $flag_file_found ]
then
#do nothing
else
fix_things_with_the_hacktastic_script
fi

I think this would be the easiest way to work around this issue, but
definitely not as good as fixing the problem.

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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-25 Thread Israel Dahl
also... you could put a check in the script to look at the size of the database.
It should be possible to check any number of things from this script.

I would be willing to help someone if they want to work on this.  But I
have a lot going on, so I cannot take full ownership of this bug.

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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-23 Thread Walter Lapchynski
There's no reason we couldn't include this in updates. If you seriously
have a plan to make this happen, Nio, please assign this to yourself.
Otherwise, I'm going to call this Won't Fix.

** Changed in: lubuntu-software-center (Ubuntu)
   Status: Triaged = Won't Fix

** Changed in: lubuntu-software-center (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: Jörn Schönyan (joern-schoenyan) = (unassigned)

** Changed in: lubuntu-software-center (Ubuntu)
Milestone: vivid-updates = None

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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-23 Thread sudodus
OK, let us call it won't fix now.

I would suggest that Jörn and I discuss the issue privately and maybe
agree about the details and after that ask Julien (gilir) to help us add
such a file when creating the alternate iso file. I guess there is a set
of scripts (similar to (but more advanced than) what I use to create
9w), and if that is the case, it is straightforward to create a file
(which can be empty, just have a specified path/name). Jörn and I might
also find a better solution, that needs nothing beyond what can be
included in he LSC package.

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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-23 Thread Jörn Schönyan
Hi Nio,

1. it is way faster, really a big difference. USC was made a bit faster, but 
it's still not comparable to LSC.
2. I guess most Lubuntu users are using it, but alternate iso installs are 
quite rare. And as the DB is regenerated from time to time, nobody noticed that 
issue.
3. It's working fine mostly and doesn't take much space, so I think we should 
keep it. Remember, LSC was the thing how I came to Lubuntu ;-)

@Walter: we could redesign it, yes. It could use Appstream data, like
the future Lubuntu/LXQt software center will. But it would be really a
lot of work and we don't have the manpower, I think. I think Won't fix
is the only solution in our position. Would only be worth the effort if
other flavours would like to adopt LSC - Ubuntu GNOME wants it, but only
as an interim solution. Xubuntu doesn't want it, so I think it will be
abandoned (more or less) soon.

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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-23 Thread Jörn Schönyan
But is there a way to do this? I don't know much about the alternate
installer.

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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-23 Thread sudodus
So there are good reasons to keep LSC, even in the won't fix scenario
:-)

How is the regeneration of the database triggered? Can it be triggered
at the first boot (not every boot) of a system installed by the
alternate installer? I'm thinking of that as a possible bug-fix: wait
for the internet connection and then regenerate the database.

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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-23 Thread Jörn Schönyan
Not sure what all the triggers are, I can only find updates for app-
install-data as a trigger - but they are more often.

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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-23 Thread Henk Terhell
Since Synaptic is fully functional in the alternate could we not live
with that for this version?

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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-23 Thread sudodus
Maybe a file can be used as a flag. a file provided when installing via
the alternate installer. When the LSC is started, check for that file
and check for internet. If both conditions are satisfied, regenerate the
database. If the database was generated successfully, remove the file
that is used as a flag. That might work and be independent of other
triggers in the system.

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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-23 Thread Jörn Schönyan
If someone finds a way to create that file with the alternate iso, I'm
willing to sponsor a patch for LSC.

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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-23 Thread sudodus
I'm not sure there is time to do it today for 15.04, but I think it
would be possible given more time. Such a 'flag file' and the logic to
use it can be included in the LSC package, and it would start working
when the installed system is upgraded with the bug-fixed LSC package.

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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-22 Thread Jörn Schönyan
No, it is clearly a design flaw. While the DB is being generated, it
drops every package without installation candidate. On the alternate
install, there are no informations about the avaible packages so
everything is dropped, if it isn't installed. That is why DB is that
small, it should be around 80 megs (see #2).

Running apt-get update as postinst would have no effect if no internet
connection is avaible (not sure if it works with internet). To be
honest, I don't see a good fix for this. We could avoid dropping of
entries without installation candidate, but that would mean that
uninstallable packages appear in LSC.

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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-22 Thread Walter Lapchynski
Sigh, another reason I don't love the alternate image.

I think it would be wise to include all packages in the database and
then check for installation candidates at install. Couldn't that happen?

What do the other software centers do?

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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-22 Thread Walter Lapchynski
Since we have workarounds, I'm demoting this to high.

** Changed in: lubuntu-software-center (Ubuntu)
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** Changed in: lubuntu-software-center (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-22 Thread Walter Lapchynski
…or perhaps, is this an issue with debian-installer since it only
affects alternate?

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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-22 Thread Walter Lapchynski
Jörn, isn't the command to update the database `lubuntu-software-center-
build-db /var/cache/lsc_packages.db /usr/share/app-install/desktop/
/usr/share/LSC/categories.ini`, as specified in the post-installation
instructions? What's the fix for this? `apt-get update` in the post-
install???

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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-22 Thread Walter Lapchynski
Could we add a conditional to check to see if we're using debian-
installer and if so, just try to update before building the database?
Worst case scenario the update fails because there's no internet
connection. Oh well. Better than nothing.

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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-22 Thread Jörn Schönyan
I did some investigation, apt-get update in postinst doesn't work at
all, because APT is locked.

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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-22 Thread Jörn Schönyan
Shipping the database one the iso means 80 MB more, not sure how good
the compression ratio would be. That is a no-go I think. Especially for
the desktop iso.

As the alternate iso isn't used often, I guess we can live with this
issue. Sad, but I don't see a good solution.

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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-22 Thread Walter Lapchynski
wow, sounds like this might a won't fix huh?

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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-22 Thread Walter Lapchynski
Confirmed this is a problem as far back as Precise. Wow, I'm surprised
we never noticed this before. Maybe it's a good time to check in with
the developers of the other software centers and see what they do? Or
work on a major redesign? Either way, I'm thinking we target this for
W-series. Thoughts, Jörn?

** Description changed:

  STEPS TO REPRODUCE
   1. Install Lubuntu Vivid form the alternate image
   2. Open Lubuntu Software Center
   3. Search for an uninstalled package (e.g. sakura)
  
  EXPECTED RESULTS
   * Can find uninstalled packages
  
  ACTUAL RESULTS
   * Cannot find uninstalled packages
  
  AFFECTS
   * alternate image only
   * i386 or amd64
-  * images starting with 20150417.1
-  * lubuntu-software-center 0.0.10-0ubuntu1
+  * as far back as 12.04!
+  * lubuntu-software-center 0.0.5~bzr135-0ubuntu1 and on
  
  WORKAROUNDS
   * Install software-center with any other method and then 
lubuntu-software-center will work correctly
-  * `sudo dpkg-reconfigure lubuntu-software-center`
+  * `sudo dpkg-reconfigure lubuntu-software-center`

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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-22 Thread Jörn Schönyan
Ubuntu's Software Center is totally different. It doesn't have a DB for
caching like LSC has.

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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-22 Thread sudodus
Some questions:

1. What is the advantage of Lubuntu Software Center compared to [Ubuntu]
Software Center? Is it lighter or faster?

2. How many people are using it? Maybe very few people because this bug
has not been detected since Precise.

3. Would it be a good idea to remove it from Lubuntu are get a better
margin to keep the iso files within CD size? It could stay in the repos
to be installed (with for example Synaptic) for people who want to.

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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-22 Thread sudodus
Corrected typing error: ... remove it from Lubuntu *in order to* get a
better margin ...

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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-22 Thread Walter Lapchynski
Confirmed the lubuntu-software-center-update-db fix actually does do the
trick. It is in postinst but clearly locked apt makes for a problem. Is
there a postpostinst trigger? XD

** Description changed:

  STEPS TO REPRODUCE
   1. Install Lubuntu Vivid form the alternate image
   2. Open Lubuntu Software Center
   3. Search for an uninstalled package (e.g. sakura)
  
  EXPECTED RESULTS
   * Can find uninstalled packages
  
  ACTUAL RESULTS
   * Cannot find uninstalled packages
  
  AFFECTS
   * alternate image only
   * i386 or amd64
   * as far back as 12.04!
   * lubuntu-software-center 0.0.5~bzr135-0ubuntu1 and on
  
  WORKAROUNDS
-  * Install software-center with any other method and then 
lubuntu-software-center will work correctly
+  * `sudo lubuntu-software-center-build-db /var/cache/lsc_packages.db 
/usr/share/app-install/desktop/ /usr/share/LSC/categories.ini`
   * `sudo dpkg-reconfigure lubuntu-software-center`

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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-22 Thread Walter Lapchynski
What about Muon (Kubuntu)? I don't know if Kylin's Software Center is
any different than Synaptic, but that might be something to look at,
too.

Why not re-design this without using the DB? It does seem kind of
kludgy.

We also can't do dpkg-reconfigure in postinst, right?

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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-22 Thread Jörn Schönyan
Given all this informations, it seems that the DB is generated too early
(when APT hasn't updated it cache yet) or without internet connection at
all. The desktop isos bring some cache files with them, so there is no
issue.

I would even bet, this issue is present on old alternates, too.

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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-22 Thread Henk Terhell
Changing the download server does updates the packages cache but doesn't
show the software in the alternate installation.

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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-22 Thread Jörn Schönyan
Changing the download server does not regenerate the DB (and it should
not even do it, because it takes too long imho).

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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-22 Thread Martin Pitt
** Changed in: lubuntu-software-center (Ubuntu)
Milestone: ubuntu-15.04 = vivid-updates

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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-21 Thread sudodus
I got curious and tried Lubuntu Software Center again after installing
[Ubuntu] Software Center. And now it works.

Was this what you meant? That installing  [Ubuntu] Software Center makes
Lubuntu Software Center work!

Anyway it does, but [Ubuntu] Software Center is good, so we might as
well use it when it is installed.

-o-

I removed/purged [Ubuntu] Software Center

sudo apt-get purge software-center

and Lubuntu Software Center continues to work. So obviously the purging
was not complete. Some file is left in a good state for the benefit of
Lubuntu Software Center.

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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-21 Thread sudodus
Installing with Synaptic and apt-get works as intended, but will not
repair Lubuntu Software Center.

What do you mean by work-around? - To replace Lubuntu Software Center or
make it work again?

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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-21 Thread Walter Lapchynski
Please include any other workarounds in the appropriate section in the
bug description above.

** Description changed:

  STEPS TO REPRODUCE
   1. Install Lubuntu Vivid form the alternate image
   2. Open Lubuntu Software Center
   3. Search for an uninstalled package (e.g. sakura)
  
  EXPECTED RESULTS
   * Can find uninstalled packages
  
  ACTUAL RESULTS
   * Cannot find uninstalled packages
  
  AFFECTS
   * alternate image only
   * i386 or amd64
   * images starting with 20150417.1
   * lubuntu-software-center 0.0.10-0ubuntu1
  
  WORKAROUND
-  * Install software-center
+  * Install software-center and then try lubuntu-software-center (may need a 
reboot)

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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-21 Thread sudodus
I found another issue with Lubuntu Software Center:

Now it can find some but not all possible candidates for installation.
The following packages are found and can be installed with Synaptic and
apt-get, but not Lubuntu Software Center:

dialog, zenity (zenity is installed by default, yet not found)

while for example gimp is found (htop, iotop, arandr, xournal (CLI and
GUI programs) were found and installed earlier).

All these programs are found by a re-installed [Ubuntu] Software Center.

Is there some way to force Lubuntu Software Center to update its data-
base?

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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-21 Thread sudodus
Good, now we have a separate bug report.

Let us know if you need additional information/data to help squash this
bug!

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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-21 Thread Walter Lapchynski
Has anyone tried reinstalling lubuntu-software-center before bothering
with installing software-center?

** Changed in: lubuntu-software-center (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed = Triaged

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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-21 Thread Walter Lapchynski
Note there's a DEBUG line when run under the command line that says
__init__ 44 Opening config file and when searching run 92 sensitive!
but these show up regardless of whether or not it works.

** Description changed:

  STEPS TO REPRODUCE
   1. Install Lubuntu Vivid form the alternate image
   2. Open Lubuntu Software Center
   3. Search for an uninstalled package (e.g. sakura)
  
  EXPECTED RESULTS
   * Can find uninstalled packages
  
  ACTUAL RESULTS
   * Cannot find uninstalled packages
  
  AFFECTS
   * alternate image only
   * i386 or amd64
   * images starting with 20150417.1
   * lubuntu-software-center 0.0.10-0ubuntu1
  
  WORKAROUND
-  * Install software-center with any other method and then try 
lubuntu-software-center (may need a reboot)
+  * Install software-center with any other method and then 
lubuntu-software-center will work correctly

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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-21 Thread Brendan Perrine
sudo dpkg-reconfigure lubuntu-software-center seems to cause it to see a
package that is not installed and finds stuff.

** Description changed:

  STEPS TO REPRODUCE
   1. Install Lubuntu Vivid form the alternate image
   2. Open Lubuntu Software Center
   3. Search for an uninstalled package (e.g. sakura)
  
  EXPECTED RESULTS
   * Can find uninstalled packages
  
  ACTUAL RESULTS
   * Cannot find uninstalled packages
  
  AFFECTS
   * alternate image only
   * i386 or amd64
   * images starting with 20150417.1
   * lubuntu-software-center 0.0.10-0ubuntu1
  
  WORKAROUND
   * Install software-center with any other method and then 
lubuntu-software-center will work correctly
+ * run sudo dpkg-reconfigure lubuntu-software-center.

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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-21 Thread Walter Lapchynski
** Description changed:

  STEPS TO REPRODUCE
   1. Install Lubuntu Vivid form the alternate image
   2. Open Lubuntu Software Center
   3. Search for an uninstalled package (e.g. sakura)
  
  EXPECTED RESULTS
   * Can find uninstalled packages
  
  ACTUAL RESULTS
   * Cannot find uninstalled packages
  
  AFFECTS
   * alternate image only
   * i386 or amd64
   * images starting with 20150417.1
   * lubuntu-software-center 0.0.10-0ubuntu1
  
- WORKAROUND
+ WORKAROUNDS
   * Install software-center with any other method and then 
lubuntu-software-center will work correctly
- * run sudo dpkg-reconfigure lubuntu-software-center.
+  * `sudo dpkg-reconfigure lubuntu-software-center`

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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-21 Thread Walter Lapchynski
** Description changed:

  STEPS TO REPRODUCE
   1. Install Lubuntu Vivid form the alternate image
   2. Open Lubuntu Software Center
   3. Search for an uninstalled package (e.g. sakura)
  
  EXPECTED RESULTS
   * Can find uninstalled packages
  
  ACTUAL RESULTS
   * Cannot find uninstalled packages
  
  AFFECTS
   * alternate image only
   * i386 or amd64
   * images starting with 20150417.1
   * lubuntu-software-center 0.0.10-0ubuntu1
  
  WORKAROUND
-  * Install software-center and then try lubuntu-software-center (may need a 
reboot)
+  * Install software-center with any other method and then try 
lubuntu-software-center (may need a reboot)

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Re: [Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-21 Thread Brendan Perrine
On Tue, 21 Apr 2015 22:06:53 -
sudodus nio.wikl...@gmail.com wrote:

 GUI programs) were found and installed earlier).
Nio lubuntu-software-center doesn't show all packages by defualt but try again 
once you open the prefrences and turn expert mode on. 
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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-21 Thread Walter Lapchynski
Nio, can you confirm the workaround?

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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-21 Thread Ubuntu QA Website
This bug has been reported on the Ubuntu ISO testing tracker.

A list of all reports related to this bug can be found here:
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** Tags added: iso-testing

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[Bug 1446830] Re: can't find uninstalled packages on a system installed with the alternate image

2015-04-21 Thread sudodus
I installed [Ubuntu] Software Center:

sudo apt-get install software-center

It works and can install for example htop without any issues.

Synaptic and apt-get work too.

So I confirm several work-arounds, that can be mentioned in the release
notes (if the bug will not be squashed in time).

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