[Bug 1576326] Re: Xdg .desktop, .directory and mimetype files missing in the package

2020-05-22 Thread jre
Please set status to "Confirmed" again.
And yeah, sorry, I'm not working on this.

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[Bug 1576326] Re: Xdg .desktop, .directory and mimetype files missing in the package

2020-05-21 Thread Michel-Ekimia
Which version contains the fix ?

Not in current focal https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/all/wine/filelist

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[Bug 1576326] Re: Xdg .desktop, .directory and mimetype files missing in the package

2020-05-21 Thread Rauli Nonato Dos Santos
** Changed in: wine (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed => Fix Released

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[Bug 1576326] Re: Xdg .desktop, .directory and mimetype files missing in the package

2019-10-03 Thread jre
@michel.ekimia: As Debian Maintainer I work on the Debian packages in
Debian.  I also helped Ubuntu folks to migrate to our Debian packages.
Since then there has never been any action from any Ubuntu developer to
change things.  I hinted to this a few times (probably in another
related bugreport) by telling that Ubuntu is of course free to change
things to their needs.

So no, there was no consensus decision, because there was just no
activity/discussion/developer interest at all.  There's only this
discussion with (I assume) Ubuntu users here and related reports.  My
repeated pledge to at least send the winecfg.desktop file upstream never
got any response/action.

I still plan to add (or at least propose) an additional package "wine-
desktop-integration".  But due to unrelated reasons this will still take
me at least several weeks.

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[Bug 1576326] Re: Xdg .desktop, .directory and mimetype files missing in the package

2019-10-01 Thread Michel-Ekimia
@jre : thanks for your work on the wine package, it helps a lot.

I understand the risk here and the decision to limit the usuability to
open exe files with wine.

However , was it a consensus decision in Canonical ? the community ?

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[Bug 1576326] Re: Xdg .desktop, .directory and mimetype files missing in the package

2019-06-17 Thread carlix
Dear jre-phoenix,

We really apreciate your work and we encourage you to continue providing
the wine package, here is my opinion:

*Leave the wine package as it is

*When you would press launch in software-center it would open wine-cfg

*Fileroller it's by default after wine installation the program to open
exe files

*Give noobs the possibility of open wine by right click with desktop
mime associations

*If people choose to install wine they assume security risks and they
just want to use it (like windows users), if you want in the description
on software-center you can warn people about that

*As an example you can see how manjaro and solus manage wine
installation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmwZiF3Wm9c

*I know friends that ditched Ubuntu because they say that they cant use
wine and they choose other distros.

Thanks for your reply.

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[Bug 1576326] Re: Xdg .desktop, .directory and mimetype files missing in the package

2019-06-02 Thread jre
@carlix and @pemartins

First off, please read this comment carefully and assume good will.  It
might sound quite negative to you at first, but I'm really trying to see
what can be changed, and therefore try different view points on this
topic.

I can only check the comments in the Software-Center in Debian. There I
see an upvoted, 5-star comment with some explanations why "Launch" in
the Software Center cannot work, and later lots of 1-star "doesn't work"
comments. That makes me wonder if adding Wine to the "Software Center"
was the right decision.  With multiarch (i386 needed on amd64 systems)
and workarounds as described in appdb.winehq.org needed for specific
programs, I still wonder if going the graphical way really helps people
(being able to right-click on an application to "Start with Wine", but
not seeing any error messages, might cause more trouble then help. And
expecting that you can "Launch" Wine is completely off). So my personal
feeling is to not lower the entry barrier too much, in order to not make
people having false expectations. In that way I think about removing
Wine from the Software-Center again.

Now, ignore that for now, and let's consider other options:

You gave me one example of comments about the right-click thing, so you
want the wine.desktop file installed.  Regarding the security-
implications, and fileroller being preferred anyway:  I don't think this
assumption is true on every system (based on what I remember from the
last time I had a thorough look at this).  So this would need some
investigation first.  Maybe there's a way to ensure Wine is not the
preferred application automatically.

However, I'm thinking about a new package "wine-desktop-integration",
which installs wine.desktop and maybe other things (e.g.
winecfg.desktop, which so far nobody here did care to submit upstream :(
).  Would such a "wine-desktop-integration" package help? Or do you want
this stuff in the "wine" package itself?  For the former I could just
put a warning in the package, for the latter the security issue needs to
be solved for sure, but even then I expect some opposition e.g. for
"cluttering menus".

@pemartins:  Please elaborate.  What system/desktop environment (DE) are you 
on? Does your DE allow you to put files on the Desktop at all?  Do you have an 
applications menu?
E.g here (Debian Buster with Gnome as DE) I have the setting "Tweaks -> 
Extensions -> Applications Menu" enabled, and see the installed Windows 
application as expected in the "Applications - Wine" menu.  I can also start 
installed programs after hitting the "Super/Windows" key.  However I just 
noticed that Gnome 3.28 completely removed the option to show files on the 
Desktop.  You need e.g. the nemo-desktop file manager to keep this feature.  So 
I suggest you verify the contents of these folders (note that they might use 
translated names on your system, or be configured completely different):

$HOME/Desktop
$HOME/.local/share/applications/wine/Programs
$HOME/.local/share/desktop-directories

If you find the files there, or after a search somewhere similar in your
home folder then Wine already works as expected, and the issue is
somewhere else.

Is there anything else in the Ubuntu comments, that is actionable?

Are there any packages/distributions which do, what your request here
(except the "old" Ubuntu packages which were superseded by "our"
packages)?  E.g. as @pemartins confirmed, the wine-staging packages by
upstream (winehq.org) don't do this (and I guess that is for the reason
I stated in the beginning).  So I'm interested in seeing if and what
others did.

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[Bug 1576326] Re: Xdg .desktop, .directory and mimetype files missing in the package

2019-05-23 Thread pemartins
"If you install a Windows application which installs a desktop launcher,
then that is also on the Linux desktop. Not verified, but this should be
true for menu entries, too."

No desktop shortcuts nor menu entries are being created for the Windows 
applications installed.
Also using wine-staging 4.8, same result with wine-stable 4.8 freshly installed.

Please fix this as soon as possible, it literally makes Wine useless for
me and for every other regular user. As mentioned previously, if you
read the comments in the software stores the application is being
trashed because of this bug.

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[Bug 1576326] Re: Xdg .desktop, .directory and mimetype files missing in the package

2019-05-07 Thread Mantas Kriaučiūnas
Bug #1711855 (wine-stable is missing the standard Wine menu entries /
.desktop files) seems to be a duplicate of this bug.

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[Bug 1576326] Re: Xdg .desktop, .directory and mimetype files missing in the package

2019-04-17 Thread carlix
Please check the comments of the people using the software center in the
wine app section, people without knowledge installed the application and
are unable to select "open programs with wine" because they dont know
other methods, if you consider that its a risk because you can get
viruses you must know that the default aplication for exe file is not
wine its file roller but at least a normal user can select it from the
menu and whats the point to not let the users excecute exe files? I
thought it was the main porpuse of wine.

Many people quit Ubuntu because they werent able to play some windows
video games or programs because of this little bug, belive me search on
the internet there are many examples.

** Changed in: wine (Ubuntu)
   Status: Opinion => Confirmed

** Changed in: wine-development (Ubuntu)
   Status: Opinion => Confirmed

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[Bug 1576326] Re: Xdg .desktop, .directory and mimetype files missing in the package

2018-10-28 Thread jre
I forgot: /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/wine.svg gets
installed.

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[Bug 1576326] Re: Xdg .desktop, .directory and mimetype files missing in the package

2018-10-28 Thread jre
Tagging as "Opinion".  We made some changes in the meantime, which
address some, but not all related requests.


wine.desktop is provided as example in 
/usr/share/doc/wine/examples/wine.desktop.  This is what probably most people 
here want, so that they can start an exe graphically by double-click or 
open-with.  But it has the biggest risk of inadvertently running windows 
malware, and therefore won't be installed activated.  Further I think it does 
users a disservice by obfuscating errors during installation of a Windows 
application, which unfortunately happens quite often.

You get activated binfmt support with the "wine-binfmt" package, which
is suggested by wine.  This helps when working in a text-terminal.  Not
installed by default because of security risks, and others explicitly
not wanting this feature.

For these two issues please also see 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine/+bug/256880 [ubuntu helps 
spreading windows viruses]).
/usr/share/doc/wine/README.Debian.gz 
(https://salsa.debian.org/wine-team/wine/raw/master/debian/README.debian) also 
explains it, and gives the needed manual commands.


If you install a Windows application which installs a desktop launcher, then 
that is also on the Linux desktop.  Not verified, but this should be true for 
menu entries, too.

If you install a Windows application which comes with file associations
(e.g. MS Word for .doc) these associations are also created in the Linux
system.

So that only leaves Menu entries of winecfg and such.  They might be
added if they are taken upstream (winehq.org).  But personally I see no
use in them, and I assume most requests were not about them.  This topic
is at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine/+bug/1493044.

All above is valid for both wine and wine-development in Ubuntu.

Did I miss anything?

If anything of the above is not working as described please file a
separate bug.

** Changed in: wine (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed => Opinion

** Changed in: wine-development (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed => Opinion

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[Bug 1576326] Re: Xdg .desktop, .directory and mimetype files missing in the package

2018-02-24 Thread carlix
please solve this

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[Bug 1576326] Re: Xdg .desktop, .directory and mimetype files missing in the package

2017-11-09 Thread AsciiWolf
** Tags added: bionic

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[Bug 1576326] Re: Xdg .desktop, .directory and mimetype files missing in the package

2017-10-04 Thread AsciiWolf
Any news?

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[Bug 1576326] Re: Xdg .desktop, .directory and mimetype files missing in the package

2017-06-16 Thread AsciiWolf
** Tags added: artful

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[Bug 1576326] Re: Xdg .desktop, .directory and mimetype files missing in the package

2017-01-20 Thread jre
[ Quoting some previous comments with ">" ]


> Because of that, Wine and associated applications (winecfg, wine uninstaller 
> etc.) cannot be started from the desktop menu

Wine in desktop menu

AFAIK *Wine* itself could never be started from the desktop menu.  If at all 
this might be possible if you enable the "Virtual Desktop" in winecfg (but 
usually people are only interested in the Windows applications, not in seeing 
the Windows desktop).

There's wine.desktop, but this does neither start Wine itself, nor does
it add a launcher to the menu (NoDisplay=true).  It only makes native
file type associations, so it tells your system that it may start e.g.
an .exe *with* Wine.  For security reasons wine.desktop is not
"activated" in the packages, but only shipped as an example.

Quoting /usr/share/doc/wine/README.Debian.gz:

~
To enable system-wide support for .exe files execute the following
command (replace /usr/share/doc/wine with
/usr/share/doc/wine-development if you use wine-development):
$ sudo cp /usr/share/doc/wine/examples/wine.desktop /usr/share/applications/
~


winecfg and uninstaller in desktop menu
---
I just commented on that in 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine/+bug/1493044.  Please followup 
there.

If I start winecfg here from a terminal it has its icon.

/usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/wine.svg is/will be shipped again
with src:wine 1.8.6-2 and src:wine-development 2.0~rc6-1



> launchers of the installed Windows programs are not being put in the right 
> (Wine) category

Not sure if I understand this correctly.  Maybe it's "just" working on
my Debian GNOME system.  Here if I install e.g. Steam for a fresh user:

Wine automatically creates the menu structure and creates an entry for
Steam there.

Accordingly the following files are created:

~/.local/share/desktop-directories:
wine-Programs-Steam.directory
wine-Programs.directory
wine-wine.directory

~/.local/applications/wine/Programs/Steam/:
Steam.desktop



> /usr/share/desktop-directories/wine-Programs.directory
> /usr/share/desktop-directories/wine-wine.directory
> Yes, these files do create a menu (sub)section for installed Wine programs.
> This is really useful for MATE, Cinnamon, XFCE and other non-GNOME/non-Unity 
> DEs.

But on these DEs the files in ~/.local are still created by Wine, right?
So it still works!?


> and Windows binaries cannot be run directly from the file manager
using development version of Wine.

True, due to security reasons your system will not know how to launch
e.g. an .exe, see above.

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[Bug 1576326] Re: Xdg .desktop, .directory and mimetype files missing in the package

2017-01-20 Thread jre
Above answer was about the scope of this bug ("usability").

About installation: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine-
development/+bug/1571816 (fix committed).

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[Bug 1576326] Re: Xdg .desktop, .directory and mimetype files missing in the package

2017-01-04 Thread carlix
Remember Ubuntu is about easy and most people who use it don't know how
to use a terminal, so this program can not be installed to a lot of
people so that this problem is very important.

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[Bug 1576326] Re: Xdg .desktop, .directory and mimetype files missing in the package

2016-11-17 Thread AsciiWolf
** Tags added: zesty

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[Bug 1576326] Re: Xdg .desktop, .directory and mimetype files missing in the package

2016-10-31 Thread Alberto Salvia Novella
** Changed in: wine-development (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided => High

** Changed in: wine (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided => High

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[Bug 1576326] Re: Xdg .desktop, .directory and mimetype files missing in the package

2016-10-30 Thread AsciiWolf
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine-development/+bug/1637848
Related bugreport.

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[Bug 1576326] Re: Xdg .desktop, .directory and mimetype files missing in the package

2016-10-23 Thread jre
** Description changed:

- The Wine-development (and since Yakkety also the Wine-stable) package
+ The wine-development (and since Yakkety also the wine-stable) package
  does not contain any Xdg .desktop, .directory or mimetype files. Because
- of that, the development version of Wine and associated applications
- (winecfg, wine uninstaller etc.) cannot be started from the desktop
- menu, launchers of the installed Windows programs are not being put in
- the right (Wine) category and Windows binaries cannot be run directly
- from the file manager using development version of Wine.
+ of that, Wine and associated applications (winecfg, wine uninstaller
+ etc.) cannot be started from the desktop menu, launchers of the
+ installed Windows programs are not being put in the right (Wine)
+ category and Windows binaries cannot be run directly from the file
+ manager using development version of Wine.
+ 
+ Fixing this needs to consider the security implications of automatically
+ starting Windows applications.

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[Bug 1576326] Re: Xdg .desktop, .directory and mimetype files missing in the package

2016-10-23 Thread AsciiWolf
** Description changed:

- The Wine development (and since Yakkety also the Wine-stable) package
+ The Wine-development (and since Yakkety also the Wine-stable) package
  does not contain any Xdg .desktop, .directory or mimetype files. Because
  of that, the development version of Wine and associated applications
  (winecfg, wine uninstaller etc.) cannot be started from the desktop
  menu, launchers of the installed Windows programs are not being put in
  the right (Wine) category and Windows binaries cannot be run directly
  from the file manager using development version of Wine.

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[Bug 1576326] Re: Xdg .desktop, .directory and mimetype files missing in the package

2016-10-19 Thread AsciiWolf
** Description changed:

- The Wine development package does not contain any Xdg .desktop,
- .directory or mimetype files. Because of that, the development version
- of Wine and associated applications (winecfg, wine uninstaller etc.)
- cannot be started from the desktop menu, launchers of the installed
- Windows programs are not being put in the right (Wine) category and
- Windows binaries cannot be run directly from the file manager using
- development version of Wine.
+ The Wine development (and since Yakkety also the Wine-stable) package
+ does not contain any Xdg .desktop, .directory or mimetype files. Because
+ of that, the development version of Wine and associated applications
+ (winecfg, wine uninstaller etc.) cannot be started from the desktop
+ menu, launchers of the installed Windows programs are not being put in
+ the right (Wine) category and Windows binaries cannot be run directly
+ from the file manager using development version of Wine.

** Tags added: xenial yakkety

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[Bug 1576326] Re: Xdg .desktop, .directory and mimetype files missing in the package

2016-10-16 Thread jre
** Also affects: wine (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Changed in: wine (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Confirmed

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[Bug 1576326] Re: Xdg .desktop, .directory and mimetype files missing in the package

2016-10-13 Thread carlix
Same problem in wine-stable in both architectures

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[Bug 1576326] Re: Xdg .desktop, .directory and mimetype files missing in the package

2016-09-16 Thread AsciiWolf
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/wine.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/22x22/apps/wine.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/24x24/apps/wine.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/wine.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/wine.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/wine.svg
These files are needed by the wine.desktop to show correct icon (for example if 
you choose "Open with" in Nautilus).

/usr/share/desktop-directories/wine-Programs.directory
/usr/share/desktop-directories/wine-wine.directory
Yes, these files do create a menu (sub)section for installed Wine programs. 
This is really useful for MATE, Cinnamon, XFCE and other non-GNOME/non-Unity 
DEs.

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[Bug 1576326] Re: Xdg .desktop, .directory and mimetype files missing in the package

2016-09-16 Thread jre
Thanks. In the meantime I commited the .desktop file as a documentation
example (so you don't have to wget it) and give instructions how to
(un-)install it. Since I assume the same security considerations as for
binfmt support apply, we won't automatically enable this (in Debian).

/usr/share/icons/hicolor/*
/usr/share/applications/*
Looks like this gives application icons/launchers for browsedrive (never heard, 
but the name is clear), wine-notepad, wine-uninstaller and wine-winecfg do. I'm 
not really interested in adding these.

/usr/share/desktop-directories/*
I'm not exactly sure what these do, screenshots might help me to understand 
them. But looks like they are creating (sub-)sections to group apllication 
launchers (which?).
In my Debian Gnome system I think I don't even have these (sub-)sections for 
launchers. So is this really useful today, or a relict from the past? I assume 
this is for a completely other GUI philosophy, than what current Desktop 
Environments (at least Gnome, I don't know Unity) do, and thus not really 
wanted.

/usr/lib/mime/packages/wine
See e.g. https://wiki.debian.org/MimeTypesSupport. I assume all functionality 
is given by the .desktop file today.

/etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged/wine.menu
If I'm not mistaken those aren't needed anymore, the menu system has been 
superseded by the .desktop system. The functionality should still be there.


So from my perspective I think everything is done. Please give specific 
descriptions/examples if I missed something.

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[Bug 1576326] Re: Xdg .desktop, .directory and mimetype files missing in the package

2016-09-16 Thread AsciiWolf
Here is a list of files that appears to be missing:
(Source: http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/amd64/wine1.6/filelist)

/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/wine-notepad.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/wine-uninstaller.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/wine-winecfg.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/wine.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/places/folder-wine.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/22x22/apps/wine-notepad.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/22x22/apps/wine-uninstaller.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/22x22/apps/wine-winecfg.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/22x22/apps/wine.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/22x22/places/folder-wine.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/24x24/apps/wine-notepad.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/24x24/apps/wine-uninstaller.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/24x24/apps/wine-winecfg.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/24x24/apps/wine.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/24x24/places/folder-wine.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/wine-notepad.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/wine-uninstaller.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/wine-winecfg.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/wine.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/places/folder-wine.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/wine-notepad.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/wine-uninstaller.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/wine-winecfg.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/wine.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/places/folder-wine.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/notepad-48.svg
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/wine-uninstaller.svg
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/wine-winecfg.svg
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/wine.svg

/usr/share/applications/wine-browsedrive.desktop
/usr/share/applications/wine-notepad.desktop
/usr/share/applications/wine-uninstaller.desktop
/usr/share/applications/wine-winecfg.desktop

/usr/share/desktop-directories/wine-Programs-Accessories.directory
/usr/share/desktop-directories/wine-Programs.directory
/usr/share/desktop-directories/wine-wine.directory

/usr/lib/mime/packages/wine

/etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged/wine.menu

Anyway, good job!

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[Bug 1576326] Re: Xdg .desktop, .directory and mimetype files missing in the package

2016-09-15 Thread jre
I'm working on this, by adding the .desktop file and giving instructions
how to add it.

If you're using wine-development from my ppa:jre-
phoenix/transition+wine1.6+wine, can you please download the desktop
file and install it:

$ wget 
https://anonscm.debian.org/git/pkg-wine/wine.git/plain/loader/wine.desktop
$ sudo cp wine.desktop /usr/share/applications/

Does this give the full functionality you're asking for? Or if not which
is missing and how might it be added?

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[Bug 1576326] Re: Xdg .desktop, .directory and mimetype files missing in the package

2016-06-26 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users.

** Changed in: wine-development (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Confirmed

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