[Bug 1624644] Re: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software
Anyway, it would be good, if other software could optionally remove new unused packages. I do not consider Unattended-Upgrade::Remove-New-Unused-Dependencies as an reasonable default option for unattended-upgrades before the feature has been released for at least apt, update-manager, gnome-software and possible other related software installed by default. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1624644 Title: By default settings unattended-upgrade is unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unattended-upgrades/+bug/1624644/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1624644] Re: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software
I meant deciding which packages are excessive or unneeded should be possible also after upgrading, not only in conjunction with upgrading. I still do not get it why advanced users could not make sure the packages needed by their not packaged software is not marked as manually installed. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1624644 Title: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unattended-upgrades/+bug/1624644/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1624644] Re: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software
Minus last "not" -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1624644 Title: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unattended-upgrades/+bug/1624644/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1624644] Re: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software
I think removing "newly unused" packages is an ugly hack. Deciding which packages are excessive or unneeded should not depend on how some packages were removed previously. If the reason for this automatic remove thing is to get rid of excessive kernels, a specific tool for that could be used. I have written such a tool. It is called linux-purge (https://launchpad.net/linux-purge) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1624644 Title: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unattended-upgrades/+bug/1624644/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1624644] Re: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software
@Jarno I added update-manager based on my experience with (less experienced) users, who kept their system up-to-date by saying yes to everything regarding updates which popped up on their system. They never touched apt or synaptic nor installed packages by themselves by other means. I think removing newly unused packages would be a reasonable default for u-u and update-manager. I agree that Remove-New-Unused-Dependencies=true is riskier than having it disabled but it still removes a subset of what Remove-Unused- Dependencies=true would thus Remove-Unused-Dependencies=true would be more risky. Remove-New-Unused-Dependencies=true is needed to clean up old kernel packages filling up /boot (and the whole disk). If update-manager defaults to that by default, too, the system won't break itself. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1624644 Title: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unattended-upgrades/+bug/1624644/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1624644] Re: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software
I think less advanced users do not install software that is not packaged. Advanced users can configure system to work as they wish. IMO currently Unattended-Upgrade::Remove-New-Unused-Dependencies is more risky as default. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1624644 Title: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unattended-upgrades/+bug/1624644/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1624644] Re: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software
rbalint, user could mark such packages as manually installed (by apt- mark), so autoremove will not remove them. If you mark update-manager affected, you should mark other updaters, too. E.g. 'apt full-upgrade' or Synaptic will not remove newly unused packages, right? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1624644 Title: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unattended-upgrades/+bug/1624644/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1624644] Re: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software
Added update-manager as affected package because update-manager is the tool leaving newly unused packages around. ** Also affects: update-manager (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1624644 Title: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unattended-upgrades/+bug/1624644/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1624644] Re: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software
@Jarno: IMO Unattended-Upgrade::Remove-Unused-Dependencies is already a risky option and I don't recommend enabling it because it may remove packages which are not used according the to package-dependency chain but which users rely on using software that is not packaged. The only place I would use this option are dedicated server systems where everything is packaged and which run services only without allowing user shell/GUI logins. This bug is about removing packages which became unused as a result of running other package management tools, not u-u. I consider this out of scope for u-u because it can be solved easily by the used other package management tool and this feature will most likely unpleasantly surprise users by removing unexpected packages. ** Changed in: unattended-upgrades (Ubuntu Artful) Status: Confirmed => Opinion -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1624644 Title: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unattended-upgrades/+bug/1624644/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1624644] Re: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software
I suggest marking that bug as Won't Fix. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1624644 Title: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unattended-upgrades/+bug/1624644/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1624644] Re: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software
** Changed in: unattended-upgrades (Ubuntu Artful) Assignee: Canonical Foundations Team (canonical-foundations) => Balint Reczey (rbalint) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1624644 Title: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unattended-upgrades/+bug/1624644/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1624644] Re: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software
** Changed in: unattended-upgrades (Ubuntu Artful) Assignee: (unassigned) => Steve Langasek (vorlon) ** Changed in: unattended-upgrades (Ubuntu Artful) Assignee: Steve Langasek (vorlon) => Canonical Foundations Team (canonical-foundations) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1624644 Title: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unattended-upgrades/+bug/1624644/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1624644] Re: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software
** Also affects: unattended-upgrades (Ubuntu Artful) Importance: High Status: Confirmed ** Tags removed: rls-aa-incoming -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1624644 Title: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unattended-upgrades/+bug/1624644/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1624644] Re: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software
** Tags removed: rls-z-incoming ** Tags added: rls-aa-incoming -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1624644 Title: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unattended-upgrades/+bug/1624644/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1624644] Re: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software
Besides: If you do not want automatic updates, but just automatic removal of unnecessary software including kernels, you could have 'Download and install updates automatically' set, but edit /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades to have only comments within Unattended-Upgrade::Allowed-Origins section. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1624644 Title: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unattended-upgrades/+bug/1624644/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1624644] Re: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software
A fix could be adding line Unattended-Upgrade::Remove-Unused-Dependencies "true"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades But does it remove too many packages? Why was Unattended-Upgrade::Remove-New-Unused-Dependencies "true"; setting ever added? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1624644 Title: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unattended-upgrades/+bug/1624644/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1624644] Re: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software
** Tags added: rls-z-incoming -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1624644 Title: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unattended-upgrades/+bug/1624644/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1624644] Re: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software
** Changed in: unattended-upgrades (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided => High -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1624644 Title: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unattended-upgrades/+bug/1624644/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1624644] Re: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software
I run /etc/kernel/postinst.d/apt-auto-removal on each boot. That also makes the "Unattended-Upgrade::Remove-New-Unused-Dependencies" setting not work. (See Bug #1615381.) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1624644 Title: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unattended-upgrades/+bug/1624644/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1624644] Re: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software
Nikita, what do you mean by that it does not occur always? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1624644 Title: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unattended-upgrades/+bug/1624644/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1624644] Re: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software
I find that on most times the bug occurs, but not always. Though it has caused me some problems before with /boot filling up and me being forced to manually remove the old kernels. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1624644 Title: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unattended-upgrades/+bug/1624644/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1624644] Re: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software
Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users. ** Changed in: unattended-upgrades (Ubuntu) Status: New => Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1624644 Title: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unattended-upgrades/+bug/1624644/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1624644] Re: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software
It seems like the bug occured here: http://askubuntu.com/q/827114/21005 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1624644 Title: Unable to automatically remove packages that become unused in conjunction with updating by other software To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unattended-upgrades/+bug/1624644/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
