[Bug 1668148] Re: Warning message when installing in EFI mode to a BIOS disk is horribly confusing
See bug #1770966 for someone complaining that they are no longer able to install Ubuntu because this question was removed ( and the automatic choice made to stick with an efi mode install instead of switching to bios mode ). Also see the hundreds of apport reports that have been filed since 18.04 was released with people booting the installer in EFI mode with an existing bios mode install, and crashing because grub-efi can't be installed without an EFI system partition. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1668148 Title: Warning message when installing in EFI mode to a BIOS disk is horribly confusing To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-efi/+bug/1668148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1668148] Re: Warning message when installing in EFI mode to a BIOS disk is horribly confusing
Please pay attention: The choice that lead to a bios mode install was the correct one that worked. Choosing to use efi mode is the one that failed and crashed the install. Now it always uses efi mode, and so always crashes the install. It must be changed to take the bios mode install instead. Again, removing the choice is not the issue; auto choosing the efi mode instead of bios mode is the problem. ** Changed in: partman-efi (Ubuntu) Status: Fix Released => Triaged -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1668148 Title: Warning message when installing in EFI mode to a BIOS disk is horribly confusing To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-efi/+bug/1668148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1668148] Re: Warning message when installing in EFI mode to a BIOS disk is horribly confusing
The question allowed a user who is also a mind reader and knew what the options meant (since the actual text of the message was useless for understanding this) to switch to a bios mode install. The fact that this message was shown at all, ever, was a bug elsewhere in the installer. This will be fixed so that we never again hit the path where this message was previously shown. Therefore there is no value in reintroducing this opaque message. ** Changed in: partman-efi (Ubuntu) Status: Triaged => Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1668148 Title: Warning message when installing in EFI mode to a BIOS disk is horribly confusing To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-efi/+bug/1668148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1668148] Re: Warning message when installing in EFI mode to a BIOS disk is horribly confusing
The message allowed the user to switch to a bios mode install of grub instead of trying to continue with EFI mode, which would fail, and crash the install. Now there is no way to avoid the installation failure and it 100% crashes. Removing the message is one thing, but the default choice of action is absolutely the wrong one. ** Changed in: partman-efi (Ubuntu) Status: Fix Released => Triaged -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1668148 Title: Warning message when installing in EFI mode to a BIOS disk is horribly confusing To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-efi/+bug/1668148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1668148] Re: Warning message when installing in EFI mode to a BIOS disk is horribly confusing
We are absolutely not reverting this. The message was dropped because it was USELESS to an end user. The reason the user is *presented* the message is because there are bugs in ubiquity, which is giving the user guided installation options which will NEVER work. We are fixing this in ubiquity for 18.04.1, by fixing the guided installation options to work if possible, and to be hidden if not. ** Changed in: partman-efi (Ubuntu) Status: Triaged => Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1668148 Title: Warning message when installing in EFI mode to a BIOS disk is horribly confusing To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-efi/+bug/1668148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1668148] Re: Warning message when installing in EFI mode to a BIOS disk is horribly confusing
No, no no. This change is a bad release regression and must be reverted and bionic respun. The point of this was to make the message less confusing, not to remove it. By removing it and always trying to install grub-efi, it FAILS TO INSTALL because of the lack of an EFI system partition. ** Tags added: regression-release ** Changed in: partman-efi (Ubuntu) Status: Fix Released => Triaged ** Changed in: partman-efi (Ubuntu) Importance: Medium => Critical ** Changed in: partman-efi (Ubuntu Artful) Importance: Medium => Critical ** Changed in: partman-efi (Ubuntu) Assignee: Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre (cyphermox) => Łukasz Zemczak (sil2100) ** Changed in: partman-efi (Ubuntu Artful) Assignee: Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre (cyphermox) => Łukasz Zemczak (sil2100) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1668148 Title: Warning message when installing in EFI mode to a BIOS disk is horribly confusing To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-efi/+bug/1668148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1668148] Re: Warning message when installing in EFI mode to a BIOS disk is horribly confusing
This bug was fixed in the package partman-efi - 71ubuntu2 --- partman-efi (71ubuntu2) bionic; urgency=medium * Do not ask the user about forcing UEFI installation if there are BIOS compatibility mode installed systems as those will still be bootable from grub if we proceed in UEFI mode. (LP: #1668148) * debian/partman-efi.templates: remove the partman-efi/non_efi_system template as we no longer need it. -- Łukasz 'sil2100' ZemczakWed, 28 Mar 2018 18:16:17 +0200 ** Changed in: partman-efi (Ubuntu) Status: Triaged => Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1668148 Title: Warning message when installing in EFI mode to a BIOS disk is horribly confusing To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-efi/+bug/1668148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1668148] Re: Warning message when installing in EFI mode to a BIOS disk is horribly confusing
Go for it; the confusion from this message is greater than the benefit to the very tiny set of users who might run into issues this is meant to catch. ie. automated partitioning will already DTRT; and people who write their own partitions and don't add an ESP are presumed to already know what they are doing. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1668148 Title: Warning message when installing in EFI mode to a BIOS disk is horribly confusing To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-efi/+bug/1668148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1668148] Re: Warning message when installing in EFI mode to a BIOS disk is horribly confusing
After experimenting with possible scenarios with the current partman-efi (2 systems on kvm - first one installed in BIOS mode, second in UEFI), I currently propose two courses of action: 1) Removing the warning prompt completely and always continuing in UEFI mode. During my testing on bionic it seemed that there was no risk in continuing in UEFI mode, even when BIOS mode OSes were present they were still bootable and visible in grub. Maybe I missed some test case? What use-case could tempt the user to not continue the install in UEFI since that's the mode we're in right now? Maybe just a warning, without any choices, would be enough? 2) Reformat the warning message and default to continuing in UEFI mode. I'm not an expert here, but to me currently it feels like the more risky solution is to not to force the EFI install. If the system is running in UEFI mode and the user selects 'cancel', in the end he/she will not have a bootable system anymore without switching to BIOS or creating the ESP manually. To me that doesn't sound like a very good default. Or am I misunderstanding something from the testing I did? I'd generally prefer 1), but I'll defer to people with more experience in UEFI and partman-efi. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1668148 Title: Warning message when installing in EFI mode to a BIOS disk is horribly confusing To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-efi/+bug/1668148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1668148] Re: Warning message when installing in EFI mode to a BIOS disk is horribly confusing
It should be understood that when fixed, this message also needs to stand alone. The user has two choices before them, "yes, force" and "no, don't force". The system must not assume that the user remembers anything about what was done before in the installer, or knows what will come next when picking either of those two options, except what the message tells them. It's also possible that the real bug here is in this message ever being shown to the user at all. But someone needs to dig into the code and see it in context of the installer (both ubiquity and d-i) to make that determination. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1668148 Title: Warning message when installing in EFI mode to a BIOS disk is horribly confusing To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-efi/+bug/1668148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1668148] Re: Warning message when installing in EFI mode to a BIOS disk is horribly confusing
Here is the current message: Force UEFI installation? This machine's firmware has started the installer in UEFI mode but it looks like there may be existing operating systems already installed using "BIOS compatibility mode". If you continue to install Debian in UEFI mode, it might be difficult to reboot the machine into any BIOS-mode operating systems later. If you wish to install in UEFI mode and don't care about keeping the ability to boot one of the existing systems, you have the option to force that here. If you wish to keep the option to boot an existing operating system, you should choose NOT to force UEFI installation here. And here is what has proposed in the prior upload that was rejected from the queue last cycle: Force UEFI installation? This machine's firmware has started the installer in UEFI mode but it looks like there may be existing operating systems already installed using "BIOS compatibility mode". Furthermore, it appears there is no EFI System Partition (ESP) on your system. If you continue to install Debian in UEFI mode and do not create an ESP, it might be difficult to reboot the machine into any operating system later. . If you decide to force installation in UEFI mode, be sure to create an EFI System Partition to make sure your system will be able to boot after install. . If you wish to keep the option to boot an existing operating system, then you should not force installation in UEFI mode. I understand UEFI fairly well, and both messages are completely unclear to me. What does it mean to "force" UEFI installation on a system that has no ESP? If I am being told to "be sure to create an ESP", is clicking 'ok' going to give me an opportunity to repartition? Or is it going to proceed with an installation without creating an ESP, therefore requiring me to repartition outside of the installer in order to make the system bootable? Or is it going to *automatically* create an ESP for me if I say "yes" to "force", thus making the "be sure to create [...]" message an irrelevant lie? And why are we telling users that they may not be able to boot other OSes in BIOS mode once they create an ESP? If we've detected other OSes, they should be added to our own grub config with os-prober. If we haven't, we shouldn't be printing scary messages about OSes that don't exist. Someone needs to understand the answers to these questions, and clean up the warning prompt to match. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1668148 Title: Warning message when installing in EFI mode to a BIOS disk is horribly confusing To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-efi/+bug/1668148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1668148] Re: Warning message when installing in EFI mode to a BIOS disk is horribly confusing
That's not the point; the system is also warning you that proceeding with the install is potentially breaking your setup if there is a pre- existing partition. In the past Steve McIntyre changed the code to avoid having this message show up when dealing with a blank disk; plus further updates fixed false-positive issues. We're sufficiently up to date with Debian w.r.t partman-efi already. I think more than changing the text, we need to fix the logic to make absolutely sure it doesn't trigger on blank disks. As for non-blank disks, perhaps it would be best to fail to install in that case -- the system will surely not boot in UEFI mode, and other bits will fail (such as installing grub-efi). -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1668148 Title: Warning message when installing in EFI mode to a BIOS disk is horribly confusing To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-efi/+bug/1668148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1668148] Re: Warning message when installing in EFI mode to a BIOS disk is horribly confusing
I'll reject this from the queue given Steve's concern. You can talk about it out of band and accept that if appropriate, or upload a new version. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1668148 Title: Warning message when installing in EFI mode to a BIOS disk is horribly confusing To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-efi/+bug/1668148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1668148] Re: Warning message when installing in EFI mode to a BIOS disk is horribly confusing
If we're going to break string freeze and diverge from Debian, could we at least drop the word "Debian" here? s/install Debian/install/ (That change is also appropriate to forward upstream, AFAICS) Also, I don't find the new text particularly clear either and would not recommend breaking string freeze for it, with or without the dropping of the word "Debian". Can we workshop this further (perhaps together with Debian) before committing to anything? Also also, why in the world do we have to *warn* the user about creating an ESP partition? This should be a FATAL ERROR in the setup of a UEFI- installed system, and d-i should refuse to proceed with the installation without one! -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1668148 Title: Warning message when installing in EFI mode to a BIOS disk is horribly confusing To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-efi/+bug/1668148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1668148] Re: Warning message when installing in EFI mode to a BIOS disk is horribly confusing
Looks like the string is translated. Is that a concern? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1668148 Title: Warning message when installing in EFI mode to a BIOS disk is horribly confusing To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-efi/+bug/1668148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1668148] Re: Warning message when installing in EFI mode to a BIOS disk is horribly confusing
** Tags added: id-597a82de584cad98020216a5 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1668148 Title: Warning message when installing in EFI mode to a BIOS disk is horribly confusing To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-efi/+bug/1668148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1668148] Re: Warning message when installing in EFI mode to a BIOS disk is horribly confusing
** Changed in: partman-efi (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) => Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre (cyphermox) ** Also affects: partman-efi (Ubuntu Artful) Importance: Medium Assignee: Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre (cyphermox) Status: Triaged ** Tags removed: rls-aa-incoming -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1668148 Title: Warning message when installing in EFI mode to a BIOS disk is horribly confusing To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-efi/+bug/1668148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1668148] Re: Warning message when installing in EFI mode to a BIOS disk is horribly confusing
** Tags removed: rls-z-incoming ** Tags added: rls-aa-incoming -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1668148 Title: Warning message when installing in EFI mode to a BIOS disk is horribly confusing To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-efi/+bug/1668148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1668148] Re: Warning message when installing in EFI mode to a BIOS disk is horribly confusing
** Tags added: rls-z-incoming -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1668148 Title: Warning message when installing in EFI mode to a BIOS disk is horribly confusing To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-efi/+bug/1668148/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs