[Bug 1759715] Re: Remove steam and add to sync blacklist
So 1.0.0.67-2 has landed in hiruste (which is much closer to debian sid). I also plan to sync hirsute again before freezes and then intend to continue updating ubuntu devel to be as close as possible to debian sid - I will also investigate any SRU opportunities to fix features that are broken in older releases. So for now lets mark this as invalid, if in the future I am not able to keep steam up to date, then this discussion/bug can be reopened. ** Changed in: steam (Ubuntu) Status: Triaged => Invalid -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1759715 Title: Remove steam and add to sync blacklist To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/steam/+bug/1759715/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1759715] Re: Remove steam and add to sync blacklist
For anyone following, I've reported bug 1901689 to attempt to bring Ubuntu hirsute back into sync with the current Debian sid version, I'll update that bug as progress is made. Then we can hopefully close this one if I am successful. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1759715 Title: Remove steam and add to sync blacklist To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/steam/+bug/1759715/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1759715] Re: Remove steam and add to sync blacklist
I was planning on seeing if the situation could be improved in any way over the coming weeks. Lets see if we can improve the package to either by updating or in sync with debian (and then look at potential SRU/backports) over this cycle before removing from the archive. As there are currently still advantages to using the deb version from the archive over the flatpak version and not everyone wants to install debs from URLs that are not in the archive ... I'll post if I make any progress over the coming weeks/months :-) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1759715 Title: Remove steam and add to sync blacklist To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/steam/+bug/1759715/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1759715] Re: Remove steam and add to sync blacklist
Steam is outdated again since Groovy, is not automatically synced from Debian (because of Ubuntu patches/changes that were not backported to Debian) and seems to have no active maintainer in Ubuntu. I think that removing it from the Ubuntu repository and adding it to sync blacklist would be a good solution after all. It is recommended to use the official package from Valve anyway. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1759715 Title: Remove steam and add to sync blacklist To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/steam/+bug/1759715/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1759715] Re: Remove steam and add to sync blacklist
Steam was updated in Focal and most of the mentioned issues were resolved. I think this ticket can be closed. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1759715 Title: Remove steam and add to sync blacklist To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/steam/+bug/1759715/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1759715] Re: Remove steam and add to sync blacklist
Anyway, the best solution in my opinion would be to blacklist the Debian Steam packages and work with Valve about providing their official Steam package in Ubuntu repository. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1759715 Title: Remove steam and add to sync blacklist To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/steam/+bug/1759715/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1759715] Re: Remove steam and add to sync blacklist
Some updates regarding points from the original Bug Description: ad 1. This should be (partially) fixed in the updated Debian version of steam package: "Add Conflicts/Replaces on steam-launcher." ad 2. Maybe gnome-software could be fixed to show 32-bit deb packages? 32-bit Steam rpm package from RPM Fusion is displayed without any issue on Fedora and can be installed without any issue. Uninstalling is not an issue anymore, because PackageKit now seems to uninstall unused dependencies on Ubuntu. ad 3. This does not seem to be a problem anymore. GNOME Software on Ubuntu shows the Steam Installer without any issue on latest Ubuntu Focal, just with a generic icon displayed instead of the Steam one (but I suspect this being caused by another issue since generic icons seem to be displayed for many apps in Focal). ad 4. The Flathub version has its own issues, for example devices like Steam Controller or VR that require own udev rules do not work properly + some features like the new, containerised "Steam Linux Runtime" are also not working at all inside Flatpak. Also, Flatpak is not installed by-default on Ubuntu and if user do not enable the third-party Flatpak ppa, it tends to get pretty outdated and problematic, especially on LTS Ubuntu releases. ad 5. The Solus Steam integration project development seems to be stalled (although they moved to a new repo that sees occasional activity) and their Snap on Snap Store does not seem to be updated anymore + still requires "--edge" and "--devmode". ad 6. I fully agree, but since the Flatpak version is problematic and usable Snap version does not exist anymore, the deb version (just not the outdated package that is currently in Ubuntu) is the best and least problematic one that Ubuntu can offer to users. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1759715 Title: Remove steam and add to sync blacklist To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/steam/+bug/1759715/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1759715] Re: Remove steam and add to sync blacklist
Here is a ticket about updating the steam/steam-devices packages: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/steam/+bug/1796464 The outdated packages will cause problems for users (most users will probably use them instead of the official Valve package) when Ubuntu Focal is released. Please, update them before Ubuntu Focal is released or remove them completely. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1759715 Title: Remove steam and add to sync blacklist To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/steam/+bug/1759715/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1759715] Re: Remove steam and add to sync blacklist
Here is a changelog from Debian that contains all the new versions that happened after 1.0.0.54+repack-5ubuntu1: steam (1.0.0.61-2) unstable; urgency=medium * Upload to unstable * d/control: Make Homepage more specific * Standards-Version: 4.4.0 (no changes required) * Use debhelper-compat 12 -- Simon McVittie Tue, 16 Jul 2019 08:50:02 +0100 steam (1.0.0.61-1) experimental; urgency=medium * New upstream release - Adds udev rules for NVIDIA Shield input hardware - d/p/udev-uinput.patch: Drop, applied upstream - d/p/udev-permissions.patch: Drop, mostly applied upstream. The only remaining differences in our package were: + Setting TAG+="uaccess" twice on SteamVR device nodes, which we can drop since it's redundant (once is enough) + Setting MODE="0660" on /dev/uinput, which is the default anyway -- Simon McVittie Fri, 21 Jun 2019 13:10:31 +0100 steam (1.0.0.59-4) unstable; urgency=medium * Demote steam-devices to a recommendation. -- Michael Gilbert Mon, 04 Feb 2019 02:41:50 + steam (1.0.0.59-3) unstable; urgency=medium * Add Conflicts/Replaces on steam-launcher. steam-launcher is a Valve-provided package containing the same launcher as Debian's steam package, and the same udev rules as Debian's steam-devices package. They are not co-installable: please install the steam and steam-devices packages from Debian non-free, *or* the steam and steam-launcher packages from Valve, but do not mix the two sources. * steam-devices: Add Breaks/Replaces on non-matching versions of steam. This should prevent mixing Debian's steam and steam-devices with Valve's steam-launcher and steam, while allowing switching between the two to work. (Closes: #920600) * d/scripts/steam: Delete libxcb-dri3.so.0 from the Steam Runtime, and add a versioned dependency on a newer version for the host system. This library added ABI without increasing the -version-info, which means the Steam launcher script can't decide that Debian's copy is newer and use it in preference to the Steam Runtime copy. (Closes: #921026) * Version the dependencies on libgpg-error0 and libxinerama1 to make sure the copies on the host system are at least as new as those provided by the Steam Runtime. * d/steam.bug-control: Add more information to bug reports -- Simon McVittie Fri, 01 Feb 2019 11:34:54 + steam (1.0.0.59-2) unstable; urgency=medium * Revert "Adjust VCS metadata for debian/experimental branch" * Use DEP-14 branch name debian/master * Upload to unstable -- Simon McVittie Fri, 25 Jan 2019 11:24:26 + steam (1.0.0.59-1) experimental; urgency=medium * New upstream release * get-orig-source: Use chdist to download Valve's "source" package with secure-APT authentication - d/valve-steam-keyring.gpg: Add the signing key for Valve's apt repository * d/p/udev-permissions.patch: Update for new upstream udev rules - new HID device 28de:2102 is now included in 60-steam-vr.rules * d/gbp.conf: Explicitly disable pristine-tar for this package. We don't keep upstream "source" in the git repository since that mostly consists of binary blobs. * Display a debconf note if the Nvidia proprietary kernel module is loaded, but the corresponding i386 libraries are not found. This seems to be the best we can do without adding a Recommends on the i386 libraries, which would pull in the binary driver even on systems that do not have Nvidia hardware. (See #918996) * d/scripts/steam: Cope with different installation directories, such as ~/.local/share/Steam from Valve's official packaging, without data loss (Closes: #919467) * d/scripts/steam: Install to a subdirectory of ~/.steam for new installations, to avoid ~/.steam/steam trying to be two things at once (Closes: #916303) * Adjust VCS metadata for debian/experimental branch -- Simon McVittie Tue, 22 Jan 2019 10:05:36 + steam (1.0.0.56-2) unstable; urgency=medium * Add myself to Uploaders * Import debian/ into salsa.debian.org git (Closes: #913651) * d/copyright.in: Really refer to the https form of copyright-format. d/copyright is generated from d/copyright.in and license files. (Closes: #916300) * Upgrade steam-devices to a hard dependency. The udev rules are increasingly used by the Steam client for input remapping, even if no Steam-specific hardware is used. (Closes: #916298) * Allow cross-compilation for i386 on a non-i386 build machine (Closes: #916301) * steam-devices: Mark as Multi-Arch: foreign. Otherwise, this package can't satisfy the steam package's dependency when installed with `dpkg -i` on an amd64 system (at which time it is assumed to belong to the host architecture), as opposed to when it is found in the Packages file for an i386 apt repository. * d/scripts/steam: Quote variables defensively * Demote
[Bug 1759715] Re: Remove steam and add to sync blacklist
Any news here? The steam* packages are still available in the Ubuntu 20.04 repositories in an outdated form (1.0.0.54+repack-5ubuntu1 released in February 2018). Please, either update them (1.0.0.61-2 is the latest version in Debian Bullseye) or remove them completely. By the way, is the steam-installer package needed anymore? I think that GNOME Software can now display even the 32-bit apps, but I am not 100% sure, especially when the GS version currently used in Ubuntu is based on older 3.30.6 release (but I really hope that it will get updated to more recent 3.34.2). -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1759715 Title: Remove steam and add to sync blacklist To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/steam/+bug/1759715/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1759715] Re: Remove steam and add to sync blacklist
*(but I really hope that it will get updated to more recent 3.34.2 before Ubuntu 20.04 is released). -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1759715 Title: Remove steam and add to sync blacklist To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/steam/+bug/1759715/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1759715] Re: Remove steam and add to sync blacklist
In the end, the steam package goes away because it only builds an i386 binary and we are dropping i386 as an architecture. The source should be added to the blacklist along with all other source packages that only build for i386. ** Changed in: steam (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed => Triaged -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1759715 Title: Remove steam and add to sync blacklist To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/steam/+bug/1759715/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1759715] Re: Remove steam and add to sync blacklist
** Changed in: steam (Ubuntu) Status: New => Confirmed ** Changed in: steam (Ubuntu) Milestone: None => ubuntu-19.08 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1759715 Title: Remove steam and add to sync blacklist To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/steam/+bug/1759715/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1759715] Re: Remove steam and add to sync blacklist
> Snap Status > --- > Currently requires --edge and --devmode so it won't show up > in the Ubuntu/GNOME Software app yet. Probably won't be > there in time for the release of Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. Until this is resolved (which it hasn't been yet), I don't think it's obviously correct that we should remove the package from the Ubuntu archive. Snap is part of the default Ubuntu experience across flavors, flatpak is not. Downloading third-party .debs from upstream websites is not recommended. So although there are bugs, it is not clear that our users are better served by removal of the package. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1759715 Title: Remove steam and add to sync blacklist To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/steam/+bug/1759715/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1759715] Re: Remove steam and add to sync blacklist
I believe the steam-installer does "work". It's just not ideal (it's not an uninstaller). ** Description changed: Summary --- The steam package is too complicated to maintain well in Ubuntu. It would actually be better for our users if they would just use either the Flatpak, the Snap (not in the Snap Store yet but soon!), or even the steampowered .deb that Valve supports. Please remove steam and add it to the sync blacklist so that it won't be automatically re-added to Ubuntu. Details --- 1. If a user happens to install Steam from the prominent link at http://store.steampowered.com/ and already has distro steam packages installed, it will break as the steampowered packages ship the same files as the distro packages but without setting up the proper breaks relationships. This is a complicated problem to solve as Steam wants to have a single .deb file and the Debian maintainer prefers to split the package into separate binary packages and doesn't care about what Steam does on their website. 2. steam is a 32-bit app only but nearly all Ubuntu 18.04 users will be 64-bit. This doesn't work well with the Ubuntu/GNOME Software app (LP: #1718453). I had to add an arch:all "installer" package (with AppStream metadata) that depends on the 32-bit package in order for Steam to be installable on Ubuntu 17.04 and 17.10 (LP: #1564570). But the workaround has problems. The Ubuntu/GNOME Software app does not uninstall unused dependencies so uninstalling Steam won't actually uninstall Steam (LP: #1741047). 3. Apparently, appstream has gotten stricter about app icons so the steam-installer package I added will need to include its own app icons instead of relying on the icons shipped in the steam package. This is fixable, but it's a pain and no one has done it yet (LP: #1754852) 4. Steam is available via Flatpak now on Flathub. https://beta.flathub.org/apps/details/com.valvesoftware.Steam 5. A Steam Snap is being worked on. See below. 6. As a proprietary closed-source app with strict library dependencies, arguably Snap or Flatpak are a better place for Steam anyway. Snap Status --- Currently requires --edge and --devmode so it won't show up in the Ubuntu/GNOME Software app yet. Probably won't be there in time for the release of Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. https://github.com/solus-project/linux-steam-integration + + Flatpak + --- + https://flathub.org/apps/details/com.valvesoftware.Steam -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1759715 Title: Remove steam and add to sync blacklist To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/steam/+bug/1759715/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1759715] Re: Remove steam and add to sync blacklist
Or at least remove the steam-installer package that is not working anymore. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1759715 Title: Remove steam and add to sync blacklist To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/steam/+bug/1759715/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1759715] Re: Remove steam and add to sync blacklist
Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users. ** Changed in: steam (Ubuntu) Status: New => Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1759715 Title: Remove steam and add to sync blacklist To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/steam/+bug/1759715/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1759715] Re: Remove steam and add to sync blacklist
** Changed in: steam (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed => New -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1759715 Title: Remove steam and add to sync blacklist To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/steam/+bug/1759715/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1759715] Re: Remove steam and add to sync blacklist
** Description changed: Summary --- The steam package is too complicated to maintain well in Ubuntu. It would actually be better for our users if they would just use either the Flatpak, the Snap (not in the Snap Store yet but soon!), or even the steampowered .deb that Valve supports. Please remove steam and add it to the sync blacklist so that it won't be automatically re-added to Ubuntu. Details --- 1. If a user happens to install Steam from the prominent link at http://store.steampowered.com/ and already has distro steam packages installed, it will break as the steampowered packages ship the same files as the distro packages but without setting up the proper breaks relationships. This is a complicated problem to solve as Steam wants to have a single .deb file and the Debian maintainer prefers to split the package into separate binary packages and doesn't care about what Steam does on their website. 2. steam is a 32-bit app only but nearly all Ubuntu 18.04 users will be 64-bit. This doesn't work well with the Ubuntu/GNOME Software app (LP: #1718453). I had to add an arch:all "installer" package (with AppStream metadata) that depends on the 32-bit package in order for Steam to be installable on Ubuntu 17.04 and 17.10 (LP: #1564570). But the workaround has problems. The Ubuntu/GNOME Software app does not uninstall unused dependencies so uninstalling Steam won't actually uninstall Steam (LP: #1741047). 3. Apparently, appstream has gotten stricter about app icons so the steam-installer package I added will need to include its own app icons instead of relying on the icons shipped in the steam package. This is fixable, but it's a pain and no one has done it yet (LP: #1754852) 4. Steam is available via Flatpak now on Flathub. https://beta.flathub.org/apps/details/com.valvesoftware.Steam - 5. Steam will be available in the Snap Store based on the hard work of - Ikey Doherty from Solus. (Unfortunately, I don't think snap will be - ready to support this app before 18.04 LTS's release but hopefully it - will happen soon after that.) + 5. A Steam Snap is being worked on. See below. 6. As a proprietary closed-source app with strict library dependencies, arguably Snap or Flatpak are a better place for Steam anyway. + + Snap Status + --- + Currently requires --edge and --devmode so it won't show up in the Ubuntu/GNOME Software app yet. Probably won't be there in time for the release of Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. + + https://github.com/solus-project/linux-steam-integration -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1759715 Title: Remove steam and add to sync blacklist To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/steam/+bug/1759715/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
