Re: [Bug 191889] Re: [MASTER] Offline Mode feature fails to detect proper online state for networks that are managed outside of network manager.

2008-07-17 Thread Kristian Erik Hermansen
You can use seamonkey instead.  I understand why you are upset.  I
yelled and yelled long before ubuntu hardy was released, but no one
fucking listened to me.  I told them that this bug would be the bane
of the lts release.  It is absolutely ridiculous to base network
connectivity on a tool that does not function.  For most people these
days, firefox is their OS.  You break that and you piss a lost of
people off.  However, they decided to break more than firefox it
seems.  The only way to fix this bug is to agree that relying on NM to
query online status is not sufficient.  All apps that rely on NM
should be changed to use a more reliable status query api...


On 7/17/08, forza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This bug is NOT fixed.

 Just installed 3.0.1 and the same offline mode bug. Checked the version
 number to make sure it was 3.0.1 and not just 3.0.

 Thats it for me. I've had enough of firefox and I am looking for a
 better browser without this bug.

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Re: [Bug 191889] Re: [MASTER] Offline Mode feature fails to detect proper online state for networks that are managed outside of network manager.

2008-07-13 Thread Kristian Erik Hermansen
No, my addon works in firefox 3.0 for sure :-). I have tested it and
additionally others on this thread have said it works as well.  It
does not merely modify the check mark!  It sets various internal
firefox variable states to disable the offline mode.  If it hasn't
worked for you, then I am unsure why, but this is exactly the reason I
said long ago that depending on networkmanager for internet
connectivity is ridiculous.  This bug does not only affect firefox,
but the only fix in the pipeline is for fiefox 3.0.1.  Other apps will
still be affected even after that becomes available, so a real fix
is still missing.  I have been harping on about this for months.
Since no one cared to fix the real problem, I developed a workaround
which does at least work for some people.  I don't know why it fails
for you, but ensure you are running firefox 3.0 final, not the
original shipped 8.04 beta version.  I also tested with backports
enabled...


On 7/13/08, MarcS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 @.cobnet, Kristian Erik Hermansen: I've had the same problem with the
 disableofflinemode add-on. Though I could get Firefox to work by checking
 and unchecking the offline mode item in the file menu.
 So apparently the add-on removed the check mark from the item, but didn't
 really disable the offline-mode.

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Re: [Bug 191889] Re: [MASTER] Offline Mode feature fails to detect proper online state for networks that are managed outside of network manager.

2008-07-07 Thread Alexander Sack
On Sun, Jul 06, 2008 at 01:00:27PM -, Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote:
 BEST POSSIBLE WORKAROUND by my ridiculous addon:
 http://www.kristian-hermansen.com/code/disable.offline.mode/disable.offline.mode.html
 
 Just install the Firefox extension I developed and you will never see
 the Offline Mode problem again.  Email me if you have any problems
 with this XPI.  Enjoy...  :-)

Real fix to disable network manager in firefox will land in 3.0.1
update - which probably will land soon. stay tuned. Ill keep you
updated.


 - Alexander

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[Bug 191889] Re: [MASTER] Offline Mode feature fails to detect proper online state for networks that are managed outside of network manager.

2008-07-06 Thread Kristian Erik Hermansen
BEST POSSIBLE WORKAROUND by my ridiculous addon:
http://www.kristian-hermansen.com/code/disable.offline.mode/disable.offline.mode.html

Just install the Firefox extension I developed and you will never see
the Offline Mode problem again.  Email me if you have any problems
with this XPI.  Enjoy...  :-)

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[Bug 191889] Re: [MASTER] Offline Mode feature fails to detect proper online state for networks that are managed outside of network manager.

2008-07-05 Thread Henry Wertz
---^ I second Jonathan Blow's idea.. having apps behave differently if
they think they are online or not is just not UNIXey.  IMHO, they
should do what they are told, and just find out they have no route to
host if there in fact isn't one.

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[Bug 191889] Re: [MASTER] Offline Mode feature fails to detect proper online state for networks that are managed outside of network manager.

2008-07-04 Thread Jonathan Blow
What exactly is the point of Offline Mode in the first place? Is it
worth all the trouble it is causing?

Maybe we should file Existence of Offline Mode as a bug.

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[Bug 191889] Re: [MASTER] Offline Mode feature fails to detect proper online state for networks that are managed outside of network manager.

2008-07-01 Thread ichudov
I have a solution that I think is as near perfect as it gets. It is very
simple.

The problem: I need NetworkManager for connecting my laptop to wifi and
ethernet. However, it messes me up when I am on PPP.

The solution: kill Network Manager before running pppd and revive it
after, e.g.:

#!/bin/sh
killall NetworkManager
pppd my_isp
NetworkManager

I run the above script whenever I need to connect via PPP. I never run
pppd alone outside of this script.

That gives me a basically 100% correct behavior at all times. If I stop
PPP, or pull out my broadband modem card, pppd stops and NetworkManager
starts and is ready to serve me. When I am on PPP, NetworkManager is not
bothering me with incorrect behavior.

I have been very happy in the last few days and think that it should
work for just about anyone.

i

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Re: [Bug 191889] Re: [MASTER] Offline Mode feature fails to detect proper online state for networks that are managed outside of network manager.

2008-07-01 Thread Kristian Erik Hermansen
Another solution might be to write a firefox addon to always disable
offline mode at startup.  Notice that firefox already does this when
you are asked if you would like to upgrade to a new addon revision.
It is quite ridiculous that we must resort to fixing this issue via a
custom firefox addon.  I still want to strangle the person who thought
is would be a nice idea to make firefox rely on
networkmanager...*rolls eyes*


On 7/1/08, ichudov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have a solution that I think is as near perfect as it gets. It is very
 simple.

 The problem: I need NetworkManager for connecting my laptop to wifi and
 ethernet. However, it messes me up when I am on PPP.

 The solution: kill Network Manager before running pppd and revive it
 after, e.g.:

 #!/bin/sh
 killall NetworkManager
 pppd my_isp
 NetworkManager

 I run the above script whenever I need to connect via PPP. I never run
 pppd alone outside of this script.

 That gives me a basically 100% correct behavior at all times. If I stop
 PPP, or pull out my broadband modem card, pppd stops and NetworkManager
 starts and is ready to serve me. When I am on PPP, NetworkManager is not
 bothering me with incorrect behavior.

 I have been very happy in the last few days and think that it should
 work for just about anyone.

 i

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Re: [Bug 191889] Re: [MASTER] Offline Mode feature fails to detect proper online state for networks that are managed outside of network manager.

2008-06-30 Thread Alexander Sack
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 06:05:34PM -, Simone Tolotti wrote:
 If you want to try nm-0.7 you could add dalbers' ppa following this guide:
 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=797059
 

Remember: if you use that package you have to take care on your own
that you get the real NM 0.7 once it comes out. I cant look at PPA
versions to ensure that you will be auto upgraded.

Use the edge.launchpad.net/~network-manager PPA instead!!!

The applet should be there in a few ... everything else should already
be available.

 - Alexander

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[Bug 191889] Re: [MASTER] Offline Mode feature fails to detect proper online state for networks that are managed outside of network manager.

2008-06-30 Thread Simone Tolotti
@Alexander:
I'm glad to see that ~network-manager PPA was updated.
At the time I've added dalbers' ppa to my sources.list, ~network-manager PPA 
was stuck at svn20080121.
Hope you'll keep it updated in the future. Thanks.

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Re: [Bug 191889] Re: [MASTER] Offline Mode feature fails to detect proper online state for networks that are managed outside of network manager.

2008-06-30 Thread Alexander Sack
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 05:25:30PM -, Simone Tolotti wrote:
 @Alexander:
 I'm glad to see that ~network-manager PPA was updated.
 At the time I've added dalbers' ppa to my sources.list, ~network-manager PPA 
 was stuck at svn20080121.
 Hope you'll keep it updated in the future. Thanks.
 

The PPA will track intrepid for for hardy. so yes, it should be
regularly updated now. Please be double sure that you have all the
packages replaced by the one from ~network-manager as all versions are
lower than the one in dalbers ppa.

 - Alexander

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[Bug 191889] Re: [MASTER] Offline Mode feature fails to detect proper online state for networks that are managed outside of network manager.

2008-06-30 Thread Rick Gatewood
I can also confirm this problem with Firefox 3. I had to downgrade my
uncle's computer to Firefox 2. He uses dialup and never had any problem
before. Firefox 3 always starting offline was really confusing him.

I hope this gets fixed soon. It is really tough for folks who have to
use a modem anyway and this just makes it worse!

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[Bug 191889] Re: [MASTER] Offline Mode feature fails to detect proper online state for networks that are managed outside of network manager.

2008-06-29 Thread Jonathan Blow
Also having this problem.  Ubuntu 8.04, FIrefox 3.  Using an EVDO modem
over ppp.  Only one login session.

I am about to try Henry's fix (blocking Firefox from performing the
query) but I wanted to post first before I have to close all my browser
windows.

This is absolutely a bug in Firefox, regardless of whether there is a
bug in Network Manager.  Firefox should be reality-based when it comes
to making this decision: it should look at the actual routing tables and
what they are doing, not asking some high-level app.

It's annoying to see this bug still not set to status Confirmed when it
is so obviously broken, and so many people are experiencing it.  I
understand why earlier posters to this thread would be angry with the
response.

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[Bug 191889] Re: [MASTER] Offline Mode feature fails to detect proper online state for networks that are managed outside of network manager.

2008-06-29 Thread Jonathan Blow
I also want to point out that what's in config files should be
irrelevant.  Why is Firefox checking network config files?  It should
just check the actual network.

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[Bug 191889] Re: [MASTER] Offline Mode feature fails to detect proper online state for networks that are managed outside of network manager.

2008-06-29 Thread Jonathan Blow
Confirmed, Henry's fix works for me.

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[Bug 191889] Re: [MASTER] Offline Mode feature fails to detect proper online state for networks that are managed outside of network manager.

2008-06-27 Thread Peter
Well I have just upgraded to kubuntu Hardy which has the fully fledged firefox3 
packages.
FF3 starts in offline mode for me when connected via a speedtouch usb modem.  I 
connect to it using pon/poff as NM does not recognize any modem is plugged in.
Habitually I have always closed the NM applet before trying to use pon as kmail 
will not notice my pop3 account to send mail but will collect via smtp if NM 
applet is running.
I don't want to remove NM as when I have to use cable or wireless this works 
well (or at least it did in 7.10 - not in a position to test this for a month 
or so)

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[Bug 191889] Re: [MASTER] Offline Mode feature fails to detect proper online state for networks that are managed outside of network manager.

2008-06-27 Thread Peter
oops! brain not switched on today - re comment above, I got my pop3 and smtp 
back to front. just to put is straight I can send via smtp but not collect via 
pop3 (kmail thinks it can't see the pop3 server).
Interestingly, today I found out how to add ppp to my interfaces file and now I 
can connect using NM - right click, dial up connections but although this gives 
me internet FF3 still starts in offline mode and I still can't collect mail! 
shutting NM then lets me collect mail and continue to use the internet but FF3 
still starts in offline mode.

from this I would say there is a problem in FF3 but also one in NM

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[Bug 191889] Re: [MASTER] Offline Mode feature fails to detect proper online state for networks that are managed outside of network manager.

2008-06-27 Thread Simone Tolotti
If you want to try nm-0.7 you should add dalbers' ppa following this guide:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=797059

Working great for me!

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[Bug 191889] Re: [MASTER] Offline Mode feature fails to detect proper online state for networks that are managed outside of network manager.

2008-06-27 Thread Simone Tolotti
If you want to try nm-0.7 you could add dalbers' ppa following this guide:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=797059

Working great here!

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[Bug 191889] Re: [MASTER] Offline Mode feature fails to detect proper online state for networks that are managed outside of network manager.

2008-06-27 Thread Peter
Thanks Simone but just before I read your fix I managed to get my system
working, after and lot of googling and fiddling. It was dead simple once
I found out what to do (but aren't most things, once figured out?)

I tinkered with /etc/network/interfaces
my original was like this

auto lo
iface lo inet loopback
address 127.0.0.1
netmask 255.0.0.0

and now it is like this

auto lo
iface lo inet loopback
address 127.0.0.1
netmask 255.0.0.0

iface ppp0 inet ppp
provider tiscali

iface eth0 inet dhcp

iface eth1 inet dhcp

I can select tiscali from the network manager right-click dialup connections 
and hang up later instead of pon tiscali / poff
I can see and connect to wireless when a signal is around and I guess I will be 
able to plug a cat5 cable and get a network if one was to hand.

FF3 now knows it is on line and starts accordingly.  Kmail sends and
receives mail fine.  skype and kopete work fine (always did but nice to
know I've not messed them up).

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Re: [Bug 191889] Re: [MASTER] Offline Mode feature fails to detect proper online state for networks that are managed outside of network manager.

2008-06-26 Thread Alexander Sack
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 08:54:27AM -, Henry Wertz wrote:
  I've found a kludgy fix for this (that doesn't just involve
 removing nm, since it's wireless and wired handling are nice).  In my
 case, I have a Inspiron 2200 with wifi set via ndiswrapper (which works
 fine) and an aircard (Verizon PC5740) which worked except for the
 Offline mode problem.  So it's the case where if I don't have wifi,
 and dial via CDMA, I get the Work Offline stuff going on.
 
  So, if I go into /etc/dbus-1/system.d/NetworkManager.conf, I inserted in 
 line 18 (all on one line):
 deny send_interface=org.freedesktop.NetworkManager send_member=state/ 
 
  (That's in the 'policy at_console=true ' section of the file in
 case yours is arranged a little differently for whatever reason.)
 

Do you have more than one login session running when you see this
issue?

 - Alexander

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[Bug 191889] Re: [MASTER] Offline Mode feature fails to detect proper online state for networks that are managed outside of network manager.

2008-06-26 Thread Henry Wertz
Do you have more than one login session running when you see this
issue?
Nope.. just one session.  Without my kludge, It's just like what Daniel Newman 
etc. have described where the CDMA aircard is a PPP link, and 
NetworkManager0.6x apparently doesn't track PPP state.  If I use wifi, or 
ethernet, firefox is online.  If I don't have a wifi or ethernet connection, 
and use PPP only, firefox decides I'm offline.

 With the kludge, as I say, nm-applet doesn't show proper status for
ethernet or static IP wifi (or PPP)  (the machine DOES get online, nm-
applet just doesn't show it.)  For normal wifi, nm-applet doesn't show
the DHCP swirl but otherwise does operate fully (shows access point
list, joins access points, shows signal strength, etc.)  And, at all
points, firefox shows online status as the UNIX gods intended 8-).

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[Bug 191889] Re: [MASTER] Offline Mode feature fails to detect proper online state for networks that are managed outside of network manager.

2008-06-21 Thread Henry Wertz
 I've found a kludgy fix for this (that doesn't just involve
removing nm, since it's wireless and wired handling are nice).  In my
case, I have a Inspiron 2200 with wifi set via ndiswrapper (which works
fine) and an aircard (Verizon PC5740) which worked except for the
Offline mode problem.  So it's the case where if I don't have wifi,
and dial via CDMA, I get the Work Offline stuff going on.

 So, if I go into /etc/dbus-1/system.d/NetworkManager.conf, I inserted in 
line 18 (all on one line):
deny send_interface=org.freedesktop.NetworkManager send_member=state/ 

 (That's in the 'policy at_console=true ' section of the file in
case yours is arranged a little differently for whatever reason.)

 This file seems to be checked on-the-fly, I could change this and
see an immediate effect on firefox (although I rebooted to check for
side effects).

 Consequences: 
 This blocks firefox and any other app's attempt to get the online/offline 
state from NetworkManager, which makes it (and probably any other apps that try 
to check NetworkManager) decide Networkmanager is not there and assume online 
state.  It ALSO blocks nm-applets access to this though...
 Since nm-applet can't get the online/offline state from NetworkManager 
either, it doesn't show online state properly (it'll show the exclamation mark 
while the network is up and running fine for static IP wifi and ethernet)... 
For regular ol' DHCP wifi,  it does still show the signal bars (since blocking 
status doesn't block wifi signal strength info).  
 Also, under manual configuration the Roaming mode text changes to 
This network interface is not configured, and the checked Roaming mode 
checkboxes change to uncheckd Enable this connection  checkboxes.  But the 
interface seems consistent and to behave itself.  Problem solved as far as I'm 
concerned, until I got to NetworkManager 0.7!

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[Bug 191889] Re: [MASTER] Offline Mode feature fails to detect proper online state for networks that are managed outside of network manager.

2008-06-20 Thread forza
I also have installed the Opera 9.5 browser and it connects without any
problem. Firefox 3 is a different story. I have to got to: File - Work
offline to get online yet Opera 9.5 goes online with no problems
whatsoever. It is not as fast as firefox 3, though.

Opera for 32 bit (k)ubuntu:

http://www.opera.com/download/index.dml?opsys=Linux%20i386lng=enver=9.50platform=Linux%20i386local=y

Opera for 64 bit (k)ubuntu:

http://www.opera.com/download/index.dml?opsys=Linux%20x86_64lng=enver=9.50platform=Linux%20x86_64local=y

I know installing another browser is not an optimal solution...

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[Bug 191889] Re: [MASTER] Offline Mode feature fails to detect proper online state for networks that are managed outside of network manager.

2008-06-20 Thread mistrynitesh
I installed Wicd as mentioned earlier in this report by PearZoo which
automatically removed network manager and its gnome front-end... and now
all the apps are working fine

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[Bug 191889] Re: [MASTER] Offline Mode feature fails to detect proper online state for networks that are managed outside of network manager.

2008-06-19 Thread mistrynitesh
Updated to the final release of Firefox 3 from Synaptic. Still the
problem persists. Also the Network manager shows No network connection
even when I am typing this online. It used to be so even at the time of
Gutsy, but FF2 didn't bother me. The problem also shows up in Pidgin.
Hope anyone does something about this, without arguing whether it is a
Firefox problem or NM.

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[Bug 191889] Re: [MASTER] Offline Mode feature fails to detect proper online state for networks that are managed outside of network manager.

2008-06-15 Thread Bipin Thite
Same issue is here also.
I'm using Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) with Firefox-3.0b5. I connect to the 
internet via dial-up mobile-phone-modem and with gprs subscription. Whenever I 
launch Firefox it always starts in Offline mode, and it doesn't matter whether 
I'm connected to the internet or not, it does the same, always.

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