[Bug 1965181] Re: ffmpeg: FFmpeg 5.0 (ppa:savoury1/ffmpeg5) uninstallable -- plus general SavOS discussion
** Changed in: ffmpeg (Ubuntu) Status: New => Invalid -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1965181 Title: ffmpeg: FFmpeg 5.0 (ppa:savoury1/ffmpeg5) uninstallable -- plus general SavOS discussion To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/savos/+bug/1965181/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1965181] Re: ffmpeg: FFmpeg 5.0 (ppa:savoury1/ffmpeg5) uninstallable -- plus general SavOS discussion
@savoury1 Thanks for the fix and also for bringing the ffmpeg-git PPA to my attention. I might try that on one of my systems, although -- if the ffmpeg5 PPA can be considered more stable -- I still might use that for livecd ISO-s. ___ On the SavOS part, writing such frustrations out of your system could help in itself (from a psychological perspective), although, honestly -- if you would allow some constructively meant remarks --, I don't think the place/mode of presentation was well targeted or formatted. This looks to me like blog-post material. Here, in a bug-report, IMHO, it will reach only a negligible amount of people, those who were not just affected by but additionally are actively dealing with this specific issue (possibly only Pieter and me): I might be mistaken here, but in my experience, only a small amount of the users of a PPA...or generally software (and the more tech-savvy at that) take the effort to deal with bugs and bug-reports themselves -- hell, even I am sometimes "lazy" or otherwise engaged and just "idly" (from the bug's perspective) wait for a fix if my system is not falling apart --, and even from those people, only those read a bug-report who are currently experiencing the problem (and are sufficiently bothered by it), and even from those people, few will read through such a huge amount of text, especially one not (directly) helping in the resolution of the specific bug. And after a fix, no one will read it again until a regression happens. At least that is my experience. I see bug-reports as a very focused medium. As a side-note, this -- based on my very superficial impression -- seems strongly connected to your general reaching-people issue... (advertising/marketing/website/team-seeking/fund-raising) Allocating a bit more resources (investing) this way might help a lot. Unfortunately I myself have also near-to-no experience in (reasonable, modern) website building or packaging or public interfacing for that matter. However, I have been looking at some CMS / website generators based on git and markdown which might scratch your itch with relatively low investment (both initial AND long-term). E.g. Jekyll or Hugo or a lot of simpler github projects. I don't remember the specifics of my research (earlier), but e.g. both Hugo and Jekyll seem to integrate well together with the "GitHub Pages" service: https://gohugo.io/hosting-and-deployment/hosting-on-github/ https://docs.github.com/en/pages/setting-up-a-github-pages-site-with-jekyll/about-github-pages-and-jekyll Then, I would stress again to attack the issues plaguing the SavOS ecosystem from multiple fronts. It seems to me that you enjoy working on SavOS, and it's great if you can afford to do just that. But, IMHO, irrespective of whether you can afford to work only on that or not, in your place I would make a BIG priority decreasing the effort it takes to keep SavOS alive as much as possible. As I see it, it pays off in EVERY scenario (given you want to keep it alive). With respect to upgrading OS and HW, I *can* see advantages to it. Risking re-stating what you might already know, maybe I can enrich (not necessarily change) your perspective. Let me just point out 1 thing for each: - From a HW perspective, shorter upgrading cycles finances development. The results include needing significantly less energy/power to perform the same amount of computation and/or allowing new ways to perform computations better (e.g. parallelization). Without it, IMO, development would slow down significantly. On the other hand, I think (more?) optimal upgrade intervals could be found, but they probably depend on the specific needs of businesses/userbases and the specific abilities/capabilities of HW development companies, so it would probably be hard to calculate for a specific circumstance, and possibly infeasible for the general case; - From an OS perspective, as I (with my quite limited understanding) see it, there are pros and cons to both point-release (release-cycle-based) and rolling-release OS release strategies. To over-simplify it, * release cycles give a higher degree of confidence that contained software and its feature-frozen versions works together smoothly due to more testing, while * rolling releases give more freedom and cutting-edge features for the price of less reliability for the whole to play nice together. In the Linux ecosystem, fortunately, we can find and choose both types, better even, distros do exist which offer both at the same time. Ubuntu, specifically, did not offer a rolling-release for a long time, although Debian (its base) kind-of does (see: unstable/sid). So, in a sense, by choosing to use Ubuntu, you chose point releases. On the bright side, based on popular request, even that actually seems to change (at least somewhat). At the time of writing, the most recent article I found on the subject:
[Bug 1965181] Re: ffmpeg: FFmpeg 5.0 (ppa:savoury1/ffmpeg5) uninstallable -- plus general SavOS discussion
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[Bug 1965181] Re: ffmpeg: FFmpeg 5.0 (ppa:savoury1/ffmpeg5) uninstallable -- plus general SavOS discussion
Updated builds of FFmpeg 5.0 against libx264-164 and also libplacebo199 are now available at ppa:savoury1/ffmpeg5 for Xenial, Bionic, and Focal LTS. Enjoy. ** Changed in: savos Status: New => Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1965181 Title: ffmpeg: FFmpeg 5.0 (ppa:savoury1/ffmpeg5) uninstallable -- plus general SavOS discussion To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/savos/+bug/1965181/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1965181] Re: ffmpeg: FFmpeg 5.0 (ppa:savoury1/ffmpeg5) uninstallable -- plus general SavOS discussion
<-- CONTINUED FROM ABOVE --> Regardless of solo effort or team, at least a sufficient percentage of the users of the project DO need to support the work, just as with any other notable projects like Linux Mint (Ubuntu of course has a well known corporation backing them). Without question the Linux Mint devs depend on the donations (now quite respectable amounts) each and every month to keep going. The Linux Mint blog gives a quite detailed statement regularly (monthly?) about who donated, the total amount received, and so on. Linux Mint is a world-renowned project and has a good flow of such support, due millions of users by now for sure. Whereas this project SavOS (based on the first three letters of my own name, evidently) is just “starting out”. Even though there has been 2.5 years getting it to this point, a consistent effort on my part as I do truly want it to flourish, and to serve the needs of a greater and greater number of people who for whatever reasons like and choose to run older hardware and/or operating system versions than the “latest” and often not “greatest”. That’s a good amount of candid commentary from the creator of the project, myself, for the public record. It’s not that I’m ever “giving up” and I’m always ready to continue and do even more. But this is dependent on a percentage of the community of the people who are using the software that I’ve been uploading (and who DO have the ability to do so) being willing to provide more real actual donation-level support in a regular fashion such that I CAN keep doing this work regularly, and don’t have to go and get some other silly and meaningless (to me) “day job” just to eat! ~Rob -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1965181 Title: ffmpeg: FFmpeg 5.0 (ppa:savoury1/ffmpeg5) uninstallable -- plus general SavOS discussion To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/savos/+bug/1965181/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1965181] Re: ffmpeg: FFmpeg 5.0 (ppa:savoury1/ffmpeg5) uninstallable -- plus general SavOS discussion
<-- CONTINUED FROM ABOVE --> Although I have built high-end web-server farms previously, and then maintained them as a server engineer, I have done very little actual website creation (only a couple of blog type photo sites, that kind of thing) and I don’t have a strong interest in it due my focus on the systems side of things. Of course I know how to read and code HTML, and had to do some basic bug-fixing of such during “systems emergencies” over the years when the web devs were not immediately available in a crisis. But it’s just that I’ve never got around to doing my own site for this project yet, always just keeping on pushing out more packages and more updates with my available time for the good of the user base! So anyone out there who might see this “bug report” and be reading this more general discussion who: a) likes and uses and supports this project; b) wants it to continue; c) has good experience with website development; and d) would be happy to help with such creation of a good website, please do contact me! To improve the marketing would make a distinct difference, but due me being a “one man team” so far and mainly still always focusing on just doing updates, I’ve never done much on the marketing as I am explaining. In terms of team effort, of course putting ALL of the Debian/Ubuntu packaging from my own build systems on to Github (or similar) would be necessary. Arch Linux has all their packaging on Github and it is a simple and workable system as far as I’m concerned, and I refer to their packaging frequently when their packages are newer or built in what could be described as a “fuller” or “better” way than the Debian/Ubuntu equivalents. Then there would also be full public record of exactly what packaging is being used to build the binaries, with people (including me) naturally liking that so everyone knows for sure that nothing untoward, buggy, or even malicious is being “put into the mix”. This can of course be confirmed on a package-by-package basis anyhow, by downloading any/all distinct *.debian.* tarballs such as via the .dsc downloads from the PPAs, as is required for properly published free and open source software in all cases (not just Debian/Ubuntu). So all of these matters have been bouncing around in my consideration about the project for actually more than two years as a matter of fact! Meanwhile I’ve just kept on with building and building the whole thing. Yet it’s all now at a point of maturity in terms of the sum-total of all available packages and the possibilities of significant cohesive upgrades across an entire “older” system that it is most certainly time to progress to the next level, or for it to fade away if I can’t even get enough income from it to survive! <-- CONTINUED BELOW --> -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1965181 Title: ffmpeg: FFmpeg 5.0 (ppa:savoury1/ffmpeg5) uninstallable -- plus general SavOS discussion To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/savos/+bug/1965181/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1965181] Re: ffmpeg: FFmpeg 5.0 (ppa:savoury1/ffmpeg5) uninstallable -- plus general SavOS discussion
<-- CONTINUED FROM ABOVE --> My own two systems that all the building is done on would no doubt even be considered "vintage" now, with one circa early 2012 and the other circa mid-2013! Yet they are power-houses that work brilliantly, and the base of them both is STILL the good ’ol Xenial (plus ALL relevant PPAs at my Launchpad site) and they are as rock solid as any computer systems I’ve ever run. This is coming from a former high-level server engineer of corporate systems, who used to architect, purchase, and build from scratch entire web farms serving millions upon millions of hits per day (some years ago now, yes, but that’s my background pre-Linux in the past five or so years), for some very big global corporations with well-known brand names (not worth mentioning). Yet even as someone with over 30 years professional experience providing high-level systems support I do my absolute best to never waste my own money, time, and even more of the planet’s finite resources on frequent trivial upgrades to my hardware or software, as I have better things to do (and better for the planet too). In response to your query about sharing the burden (open source being all about teamwork and all), until recently (and for at least many months, maybe a year and more) the main page of my Launchpad site did make one reference to the desire for a team to help with this work, which was only changed in late January 2022 when survival had to become the tantamount concern for me moving forwards. You can see the exact words that were on the main page here (the words quoted next are found just prior to the long table listing highlights of all the software): https://web.archive.org/web/20220126052554/https://launchpad.net/~savoury1 “This site represents a very large effort of time and energy by one person (so far, next step is for a team!) so all contributions make a difference.” An issue and one could say limitation with me professionally (and personally) is a lack of both experience and/or time/attention/interest on doing better marketing. My position on that is simple: if what I’m doing is not of a super high quality and good enough to sell itself to anyone who might come across it, then what am I selling? This ethos however is of course a bit restrictive, even if (to me) fully ethical, in a world driven mad by constant flashing ads and the like. It’s an area that I struggle with, as I’m saying. So a critical aspect of this whole project would be to finally manifest some level of website at https://savos.tech which has sat dormant for two years since I purchased the domain name for this work. <-- CONTINUED BELOW --> -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1965181 Title: ffmpeg: FFmpeg 5.0 (ppa:savoury1/ffmpeg5) uninstallable -- plus general SavOS discussion To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/savos/+bug/1965181/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1965181] Re: ffmpeg: FFmpeg 5.0 (ppa:savoury1/ffmpeg5) uninstallable -- plus general SavOS discussion
Well this “bug report” has turned somewhat philosophical, again due the nature of the times quite naturally! It’s useful to have these comments on the public record as far as I’m concerned, so I’m actually glad that the discussion here on this “bug report” is taking place. So I am changing the name of the bug report to reflect this also includes general discussion about the “SavOS” project altogether. Given the clear interest in FFmpeg 5.0 and given that two kind people (not specifically connected with this bug report) have made quite honourable donations just this morning (you know who you are and thank you!), being enough to cover at least a few hours of my work, I will simply do the FFmpeg 5.0 rebuilds against libx264-164 for everyone! OK?! It just hasn’t been a priority for me of late to do the rebuilds. This is due me using the FFmpeg build from ppa:savoury1/ffmpeg-git in any case, though it does also need to be rebuilt against libx264-164 as well. But I already have the older libx264-163 installed on my system so it being missing from the FFmpeg 5 related PPAs at this time hasn’t mattered to me personally. @henczati – Thanks for your feedback and also for your sympathy, and I am sorry to hear of both your own lack of income for some time, as well as the immediate and difficult effects of the neighbouring conflict relative to your own situation and survival. It is certainly even affecting everyone on Earth, as petrol prices are up 30%+ in my own area in only about three weeks, as well as many staple food items being up by at least the same (30%+) compared just one year ago. You seem to be understanding the nature of this project based on your comments. A critical idea is to help people keep on running perfectly good operating systems on perfectly good hardware, even if such OS and HW is now several (or even many!) years old. This has always been a passion of mine in my 30+ years of providing professional I.T. support to people, and is in many ways exactly in contract to the general trend of the industry as a whole (it never made me that popular with former colleagues!). To me it makes zero sense at all to force people to upgrade their entire OS just to get new multimedia or office productivity or security software, or Qt stack, or whatever. In fact, I personally loathe this “forced upgrade” mentality that is fully rampant in the I.T. industry in the recent years and for even decades in fact. It is to me (and based on hard scientific facts, beyond my own “opinions”) the absolute anti- thesis of “sustainable” and “resource conscious”. Consider the literal electricity (and the finite planetary resources of physical fuel required to provide such), as well as the massive amount of human “resources” relative the astronomical tally of human work-hours is (again, to me) largely “wasted” on what are often useless and in many situations regressive “upgrades” of computers, both software-wise and hardware-wise. My own two systems that all the building is done on would no doubt even be considered "vintage" now, with one circa early 2012 and the other circa mid-2013! Yet they are power-houses that work brilliantly, and the base of them both is STILL the good ’ol Xenial (plus ALL relevant PPAs at my Launchpad site) and they are as rock solid as any computer systems I’ve ever run. This is coming from a former high-level server engineer of corporate systems, who used to architect, purchase, and build from scratch entire web farms serving millions upon millions of hits per day (some years ago now, yes, but that’s my background pre-Linux in the past five or so years), for some very big global corporations with well-known brand names (not worth mentioning). Yet even as someone with over 30 years professional experience providing high-level systems support I do my absolute best to never waste my own money, time, and the even more of the planet’s finite resources on frequent trivial upgrades to my hardware or software, as I have better things to do (and better for the planet too). In response to your query about sharing the burden (open source being all about teamwork and all), until recently (and for at least many months, maybe a year and more) the main page of my Launchpad site did make one reference to the desire for a team to help with this work, which was only changed in late January 2022 when survival had to become the tantamount concern for me moving forwards. You can see the exact words that were on the main page here (the words quoted next are found just prior to the long table listing highlights of all the software): https://web.archive.org/web/20220126052554/https://launchpad.net/~savoury1 “This site represents a very large effort of time and energy by one person (so far, next step is for a team!) so all contributions make a difference.” An issue and one could say limitation with me professionally (and personally) is a lack of both experience and/or time/attention/interest on doing better
