[Bug 198453] Re: PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly
You both make perfectly valid points, but I think you don't put the stress exactly where you should, so... sorry for the spam: 1) The ideal situation would be that all applications have native PulseaAudio output, to take advantage of it's great features. Corollary 1a. Bugs in any application's PA module are the application's fault, and should be fixed in the application. This minimizes effort and cruft, and maximizes the opportunities for future development of PA. Corollary 1b. If this isn't true _now_ for an application, it can _only_ happen for future versions of it. Which means that only applications that i) already have PA support or ii) will add it in the future can be in this ideal situation. 2) The practical situation is that there will always be applications that don't have native PA support. In particular, many users will need (for too many reasons to cite here) to run an application like this. Often this is because they _need_ to use an old, not-still-developed application or version of it. That last part is important: even if application X is still worked on, if the user _needs_ an older version (say, because the new ones don't work, or is only 64 bit, or, like Skype, is developed primarily on Windows), they will need it supported. And there are always legacy applications. Corollary 2a. Support for ALSA/OSS/etc is by definition _legacy_ support, for applications that won't work with PA. Corollary 2b. We have this compatibility layer _because_ users _need_ to use things that don't fall into the ideal situation above, _and_ because if we don't have this compatibility PA will not see widespread use, developers will not add PA support in the future, and we'll get even further away from the ideal situation. Corollary 2c. Even if a legacy app. is broken, PA _needs_ to support it and work. This is important enough and hard enough to agree with that it deserves a re-statement: We don't want PulseAudio to have ALSA support. We don't care about ALSA in particular. We want PulseaAudio to have support for ALSA-only _applications_. Read that again: == We want PulseaAudio to have support for ALSA-only _applications_, not ALSA per-se. == (This applies for OSS and any other compatibility layer.) Whether or not these apps are broken _totally_ irrelevant! The compatibility layers are there, by definiton, for applications that are _not_ supported with PulseAudio. If their developers cared, they'd have added PA support anyway, and we wouldn't need the compatibility layer. If someone can run, say, Skype on ALSA (despite its brokenness) and they can't with PA, they won't use PulseAudio. We NEED such apps to be usable, so that people will use Pulseaudio, so that current developers have an incentive to add PulseAudio support. I know it's difficult, and I know it takes developer time, and I know they work for free, and I know the best thing would be to shut up and send a patch. But that doesn't change the truth of it. -- PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/198453 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 198453] Re: PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly
install and run pavucontrol. apps that use pulseaudio will appear in pavucontrol when making sound, and those that do should all work together. any apps that dont appear in pavucontrol will not work with any apps that do. i think the best idea is to look for and report individual applications that dont use pulseaudio by default (so dont appear in pavucontrol) in individual bug reports, rather than doing confusing bug reports about incompatibilities between various applications, and not knowing which app is the broken one. Then you can focus on what the real bugs are. eg for vlc: bug #208579 (fix included) for mpd: bug #192735 (fix included) for audacious: bug#175536 (easy to fix) programs using sdl: bug #203158 (fix included) this is the way to make things smooth for the release skype doesnt work very well at the moment, lets all go and nag skype about it in their forums. -- PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/198453 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 198453] Re: PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly
Josh, thank you for the perfect illustration of the upstream PulseAudio team position. I repeat: there's NOTHING WRONG with Skype, aplay, oolite and any other application that relies on ALSA. They work with ALSA, they work in any other distribution, they worked well in Gutsy, so having to fix them to work in Hardy is actually a REGRESSION BUG in Hardy itself. This is what the upstream Skype team says, and in my opinion, they are perfectly right. With Skype team saying that Skype is not broken so PA should be fixed (and they're right) and PulseAudio team saying that Skype is broken and should be fixed(they're perfectly wrong, but Ubuntu team seems to share their opinion) we are never going to have all the applications (including old games etc.) working in Ubuntu ever again. -- PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/198453 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 198453] Re: PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly
I believe that applications should be fixed, as Josh pointed, considering that the goal is to have PulseAudio really as the standard way to go. If PulseAudio is being consolidated, soon or later, they'll have to be changed. So those fixes would be for accomplishing the goal, and not because the programs are broken. But I also believe that ALSA emulation should be provided as default and work flawlessly for this transition, since not all packages will suddenly support PulseAudio. This doesn't seem to be the reality in the moment, though. libasound2-plugins is not installed as default on Hardy (and there's not even an working package for 32 bits apps in x86_64 - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-plugins/+bug/182731 ). I've read that, in some cases, like wine, the ALSA implementation was making wrong assumptions about the hardware - which prevented working correctly using PulseAudio's alsa emulation. In this case, PulseAudio's team position seems to make sense for me - why would they emulate a behavior to support bad written code, making assumptions that wouldn't work even on some instances of real hardware? I don't know if it's Skype case, but if it is, then it should be fixed by them - just the same way as they should fix if some people were having problems because their soundcard doesn't have an A or B non-standard feature (like a mixer channel). Wine team already said they're taking care of this ( http://www.winehq.org/?issue=344#Wine%20/%20Pulseaudio%20issues ) And while they don't fix, the real soundcard is accessible to the ALSA relying applications when no program is using the PulseAudio's stream (at least in my computer). The problem is that some programs (like flashplugin-nonfree, on Firefox, and other one which I don't remember the name) likes to hold for them the audio stream, and, when this happens, there's no sound avaliable for the non-PulseAudio applications. So, the important question to the bug: isn't there a selfish audio application making this problem happen in your machines? On my machine, Skype and Wine works fine - but only when there's not another program playing through PulseAudio. -- PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/198453 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 198453] Re: PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly
Roberto, you make a perfect point and anybody having any common sense is bound to agree with you. Answering your question, on my machine it's flashplugin-nonfree that causes troubles, not freeing up sound until I close the browser alltogether. And I think ALSA emulation would better be more complete, so that PA- enabled programs don't block sound from not-PA-enabled ones. It's a real pity to miss Skype calls or some notifications via aplay while watching a movie in Totem, for example. -- PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/198453 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 198453] Re: PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly
Daniel Chen made an interesting comment on HAL here:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/109439/comments/4
. I agree with him but this bug remember us all that ALSA EXISTS, along
with dmix... To get rid on dancing indexes one could base settings on
symbolic card names... As I wrote in PulseAudio TRAC
(http://www.pulseaudio.org/ticket/25#comment:6)
I managed to deal correctly with ALSA and dmix disabling module-hal-
detect and setting up thing manually as follow (in default.pa):
{{{
# Carica i moduli In/Out Alsa per la Audigy
load-module module-alsa-sink device=front:CARD=Audigy,DEV=0
sink_name=Audigy_Out_2.0
load-module module-alsa-sink device=surround51:CARD=Audigy,DEV=0
sink_name=Audigy_Out_5.1
load-module module-alsa-source device=hw:0,0 source_name=Audigy_In
#
# Carica i moduli In/Out Alsa per la IntelHDA
load-module module-alsa-sink device=front:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
sink_name=IntelHDA_Out
load-module module-alsa-source device=hw:1,0 source_name=IntelHDA_In
}}}
Now, using ALSA device names, I can choose where redirect streams and the
number of channel happily, without locking the hardware. And Skype works too.
Hope that can help.
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[Bug 198453] Re: PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly
If you don't enable alsa redirection for pulseaudio (the .asoundrc thing or asoundconf set-pulseaudio), you can try this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/pulseaudio/+bug/109439 -- PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/198453 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 198453] Re: PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly
Maybe a tracker bug should be opened for collect all issues related with pulseaudio. Most of them can be fixed or workarounded, but a tracker bug is really useful for checking opened bugs easily. At least with bugzilla (I don't know how launchpad manages this) the tracker bugs has all related marked as blockers Thanks a lot -- PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/198453 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 198453] Re: PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly
** Changed in: pulseaudio Status: Unknown = New -- PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/198453 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 198453] Re: PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly
** Also affects: pulseaudio via http://pulseaudio.org/ticket/198 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown -- PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/198453 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 198453] Re: PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly
Confirmed. Skype does not work at all on Ubuntu 8.04, and no matter how i configure its sound device, it doesn't work. 'padsp' doesn't change anything, either. While this might be Skype's fault, it seems that Pulseaudio has existed for at least a year now, and at least for a year there have been complaints about Skype+PA not working, all over the web. I'm not sure if PA should be included in a stable release. I have no idea how i'm supposed to make Skype phonecalls now - downgrade to 7.10? I'd rather not, especially since this is supposed to become an LTS (read: extremely stable) release. -- PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/198453 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 198453] Re: PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly
Have you tried this: http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Releases/Mandriva/2008.0/Errata#Skype_with_PulseAudio ? -- PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/198453 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 198453] Re: PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly
Ulrich, Skype is not the only issue with PulseAudio (though one of the most annoying ones). Including PulseAudio in the coming LTS release doesn't look too wise to me either, but it's included and we'll have to live with it anyway. A temporarily workaround was proposed earlier in this bugreport: issue killall pulseaudio in console. This switches PulseAudio off (until the next GDM restart), allowing dmix to be the audio mixer, which solves the audio problems. Unfortunately, upstream PulseAudio team's position is that PulseAudio is completely allright, and instead all those applications that don't work well are broken (wine, Skype, ALSA, VLC, the list may continue). It is thus highly unlikely that this bug will be resolved ever in the thinkable future. -- PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/198453 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 198453] Re: PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly
I think putting the command: $ asoundconf set-pulseaudio Will also enable alsa redirection for pulse audio, at least per user, and may be a solution for the problem. I'm using Hardy x86_64, and, sadly, libasound2-plugins is not avaliable for 32 bits apps like Skype ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/182731 ). I'd like to know if this works for 32 bit Hardy users, though. Anyone tested? If it works, then setting alsa redirection to PulseAudio by default may be a fix for this bug... at least for the cases where libasound2-plugins are avaliable. Why not to make this change? If setting this command it don't work, maybe there's something really broken with pulseaudio... I don't know... just my opinion. -- PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/198453 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 198453] Re: PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly
I tried the .asoundrc thing, but neither with pulse running, nor with 'killall pulseaudio' will Skype work, neither with 'pulse' nor the default device. It's always 'problems with audio playback'. Anyway, Ubuntu isn't the only distro to switch to default-PA, so here's hoping Skype will do the only sensible thing: be compatible with it. -- PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/198453 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 198453] Re: PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly
Hello, I can also semi confirm this bug. Heres what happens with me (As of March 30th): 1) Start up skype (skype in terminal) 2) No login sound 3) Try calling someone, skype freezes and either requires killing the process But I can confirm that for me the pasuspender skype workaround does work. I just did that and changed the icons command from skype to pasuspender skype until its fixed. ~Kris -- PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/198453 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 198453] Re: PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly
On my system, the problem seems to have vanished. I have occasionally rebooted the system, and decided not to kill pulseaudio after boot to test things a bit. To my astonishment, sound works flawlessly, even in skype, games, etc. Flashplugin in Firefox sometimes locks sound to itself (producing the very same behaviour as described in the bugreport), but after closing the problematic page everything works again. I know that by Launchpad rules my report is sufficient to close this bug (as I am the original reporter), but I think it's wise to wait till at least one more person confirms that the problem is gone. -- PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/198453 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 198453] Re: PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly
Still a problem on my system. I re-install the whole system 3 days ago and have performed all available updates. I have not tried any workarounds, so my system is as-installed. -- PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/198453 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 198453] Re: PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly
Still a problem in my system too. Evgeny, did you try to test playing a video on youtube and using skype (or another alsa-only program) at the same time? Does both output sounds work? -- PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/198453 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 198453] Re: PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly
Thanks for pointing this simple test out, Roberto — they don't sound simultaneously. Skype (and aplay, vlc, all stuff like that) are useless unless I close the page with a YouTube video in Firefox (simply pausing or stopping the video doesn't make no good). But anyway, after closing that page ALSA stuff starts sounding again, which was absolutely not the case when I first reported this bug. There is some progress anyway. By the way, YouTube is not the only good test for this issue: having a video running (or even paused) in Totem effectively blocks ALSA sound as well. At this point I revoke my statement about this problem having been resolved. :) -- PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/198453 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 198453] Re: PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly
I am also getting very weak incoming sound with my non-gnome recording devices. I assume incoming (recorded) sound is part of the bug? -- PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/198453 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 198453] Re: PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly
Just for my curiosity, any hopes to have this fixed for Hardy final? Maybe I'm wrong, but PulseAudio as the default sound server doesn't look like a big improvement, with this bug (and similar others)... -- PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/198453 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 198453] Re: PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly
Me too. -- PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/198453 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 198453] Re: PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly
The new default pulseaudio in Hardy does not work with many non-Gnome programs, not just Skype. I am worried that everyone (Ubuntu, Alsa, Pulse, Wine) is not on the same page. Will try cross-posting bug information. I am concerned for myself because I use Dragon NaturallySpeaking in Wine as an input mechanism, and that program works poorly for me now. Ubuntu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/198453 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/109439 Pulse: http://www.pulseaudio.org/ticket/198 Alsa: https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=2601 Wine: http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10495 http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10910 Tom's Wine Patch: http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-patches/2008-February/050561.html Skype: http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=112021 -- PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/198453 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 198453] Re: PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly
More relevant alsa bug reports: for ekiga and gnome: https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=3825 https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=3825 -- PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/198453 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 198453] Re: PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly
Sorry. In the comment above I put the ekiga bug report twice and missed the gnome. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=413552 -- PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/198453 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 198453] Re: PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly
Could someone with triage-rights please set this to medium or high? The current system behaviour could be a bit of a showstopper for new and experienced users alike and should be adressed for a LTS release! Cheers -- PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/198453 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 198453] Re: PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly
Have tested workaround UNsuccessfully: pasuspender skype Machine hangs completely, have to do hard reboot (never good news!) -- PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/198453 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 198453] Re: PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly
Updated status to Confirmed ** Changed in: pulseaudio (Ubuntu) Status: New = Confirmed -- PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/198453 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 198453] Re: PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly
This is definitely a bug. Skype completely crashes, a good source of info here: http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=112021 -- PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/198453 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 198453] Re: PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly
Thanks for the useful link, Anders. To my mind, we're not only facing a bug — it's a regression actually, and as such should be treated as very important. It's nice to be on the cutting edge of progress and use latest inventions like PulseAudio in our favoured distro (though my experience of PulseAudio doesn't let me call it a great and welcome invention), but actually breaking things that DID work otherwise is surely completely unacceptible. -- PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/198453 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 198453] Re: PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly
Please look at Bug 109439. Seems like the same bug to me. -- PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/198453 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 198453] Re: PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly
This is a working workaround for me until the bug is fixed: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4526841#post4526841 -- PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/198453 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 198453] Re: PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly
Partially confirmed: I have had the same problem with Skype and aplay, I have not yet tried the /etc/asound.conf workaround. A workaround (NOT a fix) is apparently to run applications like this: pasuspender skype -- PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/198453 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 198453] Re: PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly
Another workaround is to simply killall pulseaudio. -- PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/198453 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
