[Bug 253765] Re: Replace Pidgin and Ekiga with Empathy
** Changed in: empathy (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Wishlist ** Changed in: empathy (Ubuntu) Status: In Progress = Fix Released -- Replace Pidgin and Ekiga with Empathy https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/253765 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 253765] Re: Replace Pidgin and Ekiga with Empathy
Kai, indeed, ICQ roster features are broken/not working in Empathy - when I add a contact it adds locally only somehow. When I use another client the contact isn't there... -- Replace Pidgin and Ekiga with Empathy https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/253765 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 253765] Re: Replace Pidgin and Ekiga with Empathy
Bad idea. Empathy doesn't support neither XMPP Service Discovery nor XMPP Jingle what makes it a bad Pidgin replacement. -- Replace Pidgin and Ekiga with Empathy https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/253765 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 253765] Re: Replace Pidgin and Ekiga with Empathy
I like empathy a lot, thank you for this change! Artem, Empathy supports jingle (through telepathy); Indeed I can make video chats with my contacts or talk with GTalk friends Also video support for msn accounts was recently added :) -- Replace Pidgin and Ekiga with Empathy https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/253765 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 253765] Re: Replace Pidgin and Ekiga with Empathy
Javier: yeah but other features miss completely (facebook/otr support) and/or are broken (see ICQ for example) . The gui is just plain ugly. And pidgin does support video now too... -- Replace Pidgin and Ekiga with Empathy https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/253765 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 253765] Re: Replace Pidgin and Ekiga with Empathy
In Ubuntu Karmic Beta Ekiga provides a flawless VoiP call. Empathy does not. This is no reason to drop Ekiga. -- Replace Pidgin and Ekiga with Empathy https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/253765 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 253765] Re: Replace Pidgin and Ekiga with Empathy
Empathy is NOT ready for prime time: a) It keeps switching back to available when set away. I know, it's a feature, but a damn annoying one, that cannot be disabled. b) Can't remember status, or set which status is default. c) The window position isn't reliably saved, switch workspace a few times, and *boom* it's on the left. d) It's generally incomplete. Why in the world was this chosen to be default? -- Replace Pidgin and Ekiga with Empathy https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/253765 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 253765] Re: Replace Pidgin and Ekiga with Empathy
I'll vote for pidgin. I tried empathy, but I couldn't find OTR plugin. Also, I wasn't able to merge two of the same contacts from different networks. And since it now has video/audio support, then there is no point of replacing it? -- Replace Pidgin and Ekiga with Empathy https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/253765 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 253765] Re: Replace Pidgin and Ekiga with Empathy
As of latest updates, IRC is still at a primitive stage in empathy, and it still violates the various guidelines by flashing in the application bar. It still does not do audio and video calls. The only true reason to switch to empathy right now is to follow what fedora does. But then, why chose ubuntu over fedora? A reconsideration of the switch was promised in earlier stages, but was it done? Where is it? -- Replace Pidgin and Ekiga with Empathy https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/253765 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 253765] Re: Replace Pidgin and Ekiga with Empathy
Hi, Can someone answer me why Empathy will still replace Ekiga? Ekiga is the default client for the SIP protocol in Jaunty and AFAIK the SIP protocol is severely broken in Karmic using Empathy: SIP calls no longer work (Incompatibility with telepathy-sofiasip) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-sofiasip/+bug/409103 Empathy do not support NAT for SIP: NAT traversal for SIP using Empathy https://bugs.launchpad.net/telepathy-sofiasip/+bug/294994 SIP/Ekiga accounts don't store contacts https://bugs.launchpad.net/telepathy-sofiasip/+bug/294991 Best regards, Yannick -- Replace Pidgin and Ekiga with Empathy https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/253765 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 253765] Re: Replace Pidgin and Ekiga with Empathy
pidgin now supports video/voice too... maybe thinking about undoing this switch? -- Replace Pidgin and Ekiga with Empathy https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/253765 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 253765] Re: Replace Pidgin and Ekiga with Empathy
short answer kai = no. -- Replace Pidgin and Ekiga with Empathy https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/253765 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 253765] Re: Replace Pidgin and Ekiga with Empathy
Imo empathy should adapt the look of Pidgin to be able to replace it. At the moment it is just plain ugly -- Replace Pidgin and Ekiga with Empathy https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/253765 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 253765] Re: Replace Pidgin and Ekiga with Empathy
Hi, Is there any comparison, feature-wise, between the empathy SIP part (based on telepathy-sofiasip) and Ekiga? The list of features for Ekiga is available here: http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Features Best regards, Yannick -- Replace Pidgin and Ekiga with Empathy https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/253765 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 253765] Re: Replace Pidgin and Ekiga with Empathy
Does it have otr support and multiplatformsupport? Otherwise - not ready. -- Replace Pidgin and Ekiga with Empathy https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/253765 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 253765] Re: Replace Pidgin and Ekiga with Empathy
I apologize if this is not the appropriate place for this discussion, but I think the devs should pay very close attention to user feedback during the alpha/beta process for Karmic before making the final decision to replace Pidgin/Ekiga with Empathy. I've tried out Empathy for a few days, and it's just not as good as Pidgin from a usability standpoint, which will hurt with new users of ubuntu. I'm not as concerned with previous users, as they'll know that pidgin and ekiga exist, and may install them if they please. Many of the issues I've encountered are extremely well documented at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EmpathyVsPidginUsability , and most of the usability issues with Empathy still remain. Personally, I had issues with: -- the Create account issue (does this create a new account on the network or am I adding an existing one to my empathy profile?) -- the odd default name issue (it is not immediately clear how to rename an account from New AIM Account, there is no rename or edit button, you just have to double-click) -- it was not immediately clear whether or not the new username/password combo had been accepted -- Setting statuses - it was not clear from the main contact list how to set statuses for my accounts (globally or individually), especially if the accounts are offline. I do not think it is possible if the accounts are offline. -- To turn on an account, (they're not on by default when created), you have to enter the accounts menu and click the corresponding checkboxes. This is a horrible UI for people with many accounts that might want to be offline on some, but online on others, given that you cannot set your status individually for each account from the main contact list window. -- I couldn't even add my most-used msn account (others I had added just fine), after trying several times and logging in to hotmail to make sure I wasn't forgetting the password. As far as I could tell, it's a bug with password length, though it could be something else. I've read the arguments in favor of Empathy, as far as better integration with the Gnome desktop, and that certainly is compelling. I just encourage those with the power of making the decisions to really spend some time with the application thinking about how a new ubuntu user would rate the experience. Having used ubuntu and pidgin for years, I think that the interface in Empathy falls a great deal short of what it should be, and the confusion and frustration to new users is enough to seriously reconsider having Empathy installed by default rather than Pidgin (I have no objections to both being installed, but I understand that's against policy due to the limited size of a CD). -- Replace Pidgin and Ekiga with Empathy https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/253765 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 253765] Re: Replace Pidgin and Ekiga with Empathy
don't forget the voice/video support. Most of the things you enjoy about pidgin are because theres billions of plugins that make that possible, if you take all plugins out of pidgin, it wouldn't compare with empathy very well. Another note, is that empathy is still being upgraded and fixed and etc.. as its still a ways away until Gnome 2.28. Join #telepathy if you get a chance and talk to the devs. -- Replace Pidgin and Ekiga with Empathy https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/253765 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 253765] Re: Replace Pidgin and Ekiga with Empathy
** Summary changed: - Replace Pidgin with Empathy + Replace Pidgin and Ekiga with Empathy ** Changed in: ubuntu Status: Invalid = In Progress -- Replace Pidgin and Ekiga with Empathy https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/253765 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 253765] Re: Replace Pidgin and Ekiga with Empathy
** Package changed: ubuntu = empathy (Ubuntu) -- Replace Pidgin and Ekiga with Empathy https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/253765 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
