[Bug 263555] Re: [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk
It's alpha software, people should be considered as being aware that using it might break stuff. Furthermore, people should be smart enough to read about the known issues prior to installing it. Yes a warning and blacklisting the e1000 driver should be done, but revoking an alpha because of a (serious) bug just doesn't seem the answer to me, because it blocks you from finding other issues that might bite people when the official release gets out. -- [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/263555 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 263555] Re: [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk
Colin: FWIW, I think some kind of warning on cdimage and in the alpha release notes seems highly prudent (not because of the bogus liability claims here, but just because it's the good thing to do). I would suggest: Due to an unresolved bug in the Linux kernel currently used in Ubuntu 8.10 users with Intel network hardware supported by the e1000e driver should not download and run these images. Doing so may render your network hardware permanently inoperable. Older Intel network hardware which uses the e1000 driver is not affected by this, however, use of the e1000 driver in older Ubuntu releases is not a reliable indication of which driver will be used by Ubuntu 8.10. Support for hardware which uses a PCI Express bus has been moved from e1000 to e1000e. If in doubt, do not run these images and subscribe to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/263555 to receive notifications when the bug is fixed. Steve: I am not sure exactly where the responsibility for handling this for the Alphas falls (other than being quite sure it's not mine, and suspecting it's yours ;) but I think we should put warnings out fairly prominently, as SuSE has done. The obvious safe default would be to yank e1000e.ko and replace the above warning with something similar which explains why newer Intel network hardware won't work in the Alphas. It's a bit of a nuclear option since there is a lot of this hardware around and the bug mostly seems to be affecting laptops, but since they tend to be doing a lot more interesting kernel work (suspending, frequent loading of modules, etc) it could simply be that they are exposing it more easily and server hardware is just as capable of being affected. For those wishing to discuss this bug, its implications, etc. there is a forum thread which seems more suitable for this, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=912666 -- [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/263555 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 263555] Re: [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk
It's alpha software, people should be considered as being aware that using it might break stuff. That's absolutely ridiculous. I'm being aware that ubuntu alpha or beta can break some stuff (like eating my filesystem or deleting my partitions etc). In fact it already did. However, this is a whole different thing as BREAKING HARDWARE. To make this clear, we are talking about RMAing laptops and mainboards because of this bug. And we are also talking about reasonable popular hardware. With the statement standing in the room that I should espect my hardware to die when I try ubuntu I will certainly don't try any alpha or beta ubuntu software ever again. In my opinion the Alpha should be pulled NOW. Then you can discuss what steps have to be make to address this problem. (e.g. one easy sollution: disable e1000 and republish) This won't you cost more than a few days. Just my 2 cents -- [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/263555 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 263555] Re: [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk
Folks, I suggest to remove the respective Intrepid AlphaX images from the mirrors ASAP. Although testing is testing, and everybody knows that there is a risk (I remember a similar issue with Mandrake Linux and CD-Rom drives) and you, as a tester, take a known risk, we also have the responsibility to minimize impact of this issue. I think only the latest Alpha6 has this flaw? -- [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/263555 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 263555] Re: [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk
** Tags added: regression-potential -- [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/263555 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 263555] Re: [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk
Shall we pull in e1000e-prevent-corruption-of-eeprom-nvm.patch? It seems from the discussion that it isn't a 100% fix (other methods of reaching mmio'ed EEPROM probably exist) but should at least eliminate this disaster scenario of just booting up the distribution causing the card to be hosed. -- [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/263555 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 263555] Re: [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk
I strongly recommend if you are going to test for this bug or haven't seen it yet on your ich8/9 system, that you RIGHT NOW, do ethtool -e ethX savemyeep.txt Having a saved copy of your eeprom means we can help you write it back to your system. -- [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e driver places Intel ICH8 and ICH9 gigE chipsets at risk https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/263555 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 263555] Re: [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk
** Bug watch added: Novell/SUSE Bugzilla #425480 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=425480 ** Also affects: linux (Suse) via https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=425480 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown -- [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/263555 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 263555] Re: [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk
** Changed in: linux (Suse) Status: Unknown = Incomplete -- [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/263555 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 263555] Re: [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk
** Bug watch added: Linux Kernel Bug Tracker #11382 http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11382 ** Also affects: linux via http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11382 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown -- [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/263555 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 263555] Re: [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk
** Changed in: linux Status: Unknown = Confirmed -- [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/263555 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 263555] Re: [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk
** Bug watch added: Red Hat Bugzilla #459202 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=459202 ** Also affects: linux (Fedora) via https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=459202 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown -- [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/263555 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 263555] Re: [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk
** Changed in: linux (Fedora) Status: Unknown = Confirmed -- [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/263555 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 263555] Re: [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk
This is just my humble opinion, but the Alpha CD downloads should be pulled from the archive. This kernel can partially ruin your hardware, and unsuspecting users shouldn't be able to merrily download it. -- [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/263555 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 263555] Re: [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk
Jorge brought this bug to my attention just now; this really needs to be fixed one way or another for beta, even if that would mean blacklisting e1000e altogether until this is resolved. Even with as little as I use the wired ethernet on my laptop, I wouldn't enjoy having to RMA it to fix it after a kernel bug. :/ ** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu Intrepid) Target: None = ubuntu-8.10-beta -- [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/263555 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 263555] Re: [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk
Jeffrey, we can't afford to do that; we need to be able to test with the Alpha CDs on the wide variety of hardware not affected by this bug, or our development schedules for 8.10 will be seriously compromised. However, I'd be happy to add a warning to the cdimage web pages. Can anyone suggest some text? -- [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/263555 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 263555] Re: [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk
Colin, Seems that a warning may be insufficient. I would think most of the folks testing a pre-release may not know they have an e1000e driver or affected NIC. Maybe blacklist e1000e asap and then re-instate e1000e after a fix is found. Perhaps have the warning state something about the e1000e being temporarily withheld from the pre-release with certain Intel NICs affected. John -- [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/263555 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 263555] Re: [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk
Is Ubuntu willing to risk the liability of distributing software known to destroy hardware? -- [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/263555 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 263555] Re: [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk
Unless Canonical wants liability for a) Individual user's destroyed hardware b) Crippling reputation damages, especially against the 'new to linux' groups I'd echo the suggestion to pull the liveCD's until this is fixed. When new linux users discovered permanently corrupted hardware after trying Ubuntu, and this gets out in the wider webs, all of Ubuntu's efforts at promoting Ubuntu will also be destroyed. Breaking known good hardware is a problem greater than keeping to a self-imposed delivery schedule. -- [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/263555 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 263555] Re: [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk
We just met a similar issue in the testing for Intrepid Alpha5. In the beginning, the LAN works fine for x86 system. But after we met a system hangs up in X86_64 system (caused by gfx) in the same machine,we found the Ethernet card can't work any more. lspci can't show the correct Ethernet card info. The X86 system which e1000e works before can't recognize the card neither. Our investigation is underway now. -- [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/263555 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 263555] Re: [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk
Hi Chris, Just an update here in case you missed chatter in #kernel on Sept 03, tim has already began investigating this issue. ** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Tim Gardner (timg-tpi) Status: New = Triaged -- [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/263555 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 263555] Re: [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk
http://marc.info/?t=12203833703r=1w=2 is another interesting thread about this, on linux-netdev. -- [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/263555 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 263555] Re: [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk
Removed the regression-2.6.27 tag from this. The 2.6.26 kernel and 2.6.27 kernel have the exact same e1000e driver (one which we downloaded from Intel's e1000 sf.net project). Still a serious issue, but I don't want it to be classified as a regression. ** Tags removed: regression-2.6.27 -- [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/263555 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 263555] Re: [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk
** Tags added: regression-2.6.27 -- [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/263555 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 263555] Re: [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk
I'm wondering if it would be possible for us to patch out the sections of the driver which write to the NVRAM, assuming Intel are not able to make suitable changes before 2.6.27 is released, which prevent this from being possible (e.g. splitting the writing parts out into a separate module which is not loaded by default?) -- [intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e kernel places Intel gigE chipsets at risk https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/263555 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
