[Bug 290024] Re: Cruft Remover removed most of the installed packages

2009-11-17 Thread Ubuntu QA Website
** Tags added: iso-testing

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[Bug 290024] Re: Cruft Remover removed most of the installed packages

2008-12-15 Thread Martin Pitt
Copied intrepid-proposed update to jaunty.

** Changed in: system-cleaner (Ubuntu)
   Status: Fix Committed => Fix Released

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[Bug 290024] Re: Cruft Remover removed most of the installed packages

2008-12-15 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
This bug was fixed in the package system-cleaner - 1.10.4-0ubuntu2

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system-cleaner (1.10.4-0ubuntu2) intrepid-proposed; urgency=low

  * The "viime tingan pakettilisäykset ovat huono idea" release.
  * Added Polish translation from Piotr Makowski. (LP: #290196)
  * The apt Packages list is now checked for sanity. (LP: #290024)
  * Icon is now shown in menu, and by the window manager.
(LP: #274714)
  * The current kernel will now never be considered cruft.
(LP: #285657)
  * Now asks user to confirm that they want to remove packages or remove
other cruft. (LP: #285888)
  * Package short description is now shown in the user interface.
(LP: #286394)
  * The GTK UI now shows column headers, so that it is clear what the
tick column means. (No bug reported about this explicitly, but it
has come up repeatedly.)
  * Support for whitelists in /etc/cruft-remover.d/*.whitelist added.
See the cruft-remover(8) manual page for details. This can later be
seeded with the most common third-party packages, until dpkg+apt
get sufficient meta data to deal with this in a better way.
(Does not quite close LP: 285746.)

 -- Lars WirzeniusFri, 07 Nov 2008 15:58:25 +0200

** Changed in: system-cleaner (Ubuntu Intrepid)
   Status: Fix Committed => Fix Released

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[Bug 290024] Re: Cruft Remover removed most of the installed packages

2008-11-29 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ricky,

Cruft Remover only removes packages, and the packages for the kernel
take care of updating the GRUB menu.lst file appropriately.. What Cruft
Remover does automatically you could achieve by removing the same
packages manually. Thus, if there is a bug, it is in the kernel
packages. If you have updated menu.lst in the way it is supposed to be
edited, and your Windows entry gets removed anyway, you should file a
new bug against the linux-image-2.6 package. This way, it will come to
the attention of the people who will be in charge of fixing it. Thanks.

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Re: [Bug 290024] Re: Cruft Remover removed most of the installed packages

2008-11-25 Thread ricky
hi,
   I have found the reason why I could not boot after using cruft
remover tool. The reason was this: I have made a custom boot menu and I
always use to keep the same old boot menu whenever a new kernel is being
installed( I am lazy to update my menu.lst as doing it will coz my windows
partition to go away and i have to again change the menu.lst (sorry)) but
when i use cruft it removed old kernel but my old kernel was linked to
menu.lst so I could not boot in. So what I feel a good solution is whenever
cruft is used to remove old kernel it should check whether the menu.lst is
referring the old kernel or not. if it is referring old kernel then it
should inform the user that they should update the menu.lst or can it
automatically update the menu.lst if user enters no then it should not
remove the kernel.

On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 7:32 AM, Tux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ok, thanks for the explanation. I'll continue to test. If I can help
> in any way, let me know.
>
> Tux
>
> 2008/11/25 Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Tux,
> >
> > about leaving configuration files when removing packages: I decided that
> > it is not safe to remove the configuration files automatically, since
> > they can contain important data if they have been modified. However,
> > because of time pressure from the intrepid release, I did not want to
> > incorporate a subsystem that lets the user see what has been modified.
> > This will be dealt with in the future, however, since, yes, removed but
> > un-purged packages are cruft.
> >
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Re: [Bug 290024] Re: Cruft Remover removed most of the installed packages

2008-11-25 Thread Tux
Ok, thanks for the explanation. I'll continue to test. If I can help
in any way, let me know.

Tux

2008/11/25 Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Tux,
>
> about leaving configuration files when removing packages: I decided that
> it is not safe to remove the configuration files automatically, since
> they can contain important data if they have been modified. However,
> because of time pressure from the intrepid release, I did not want to
> incorporate a subsystem that lets the user see what has been modified.
> This will be dealt with in the future, however, since, yes, removed but
> un-purged packages are cruft.
>
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[Bug 290024] Re: Cruft Remover removed most of the installed packages

2008-11-25 Thread Lars Wirzenius
Tux,

about leaving configuration files when removing packages: I decided that
it is not safe to remove the configuration files automatically, since
they can contain important data if they have been modified. However,
because of time pressure from the intrepid release, I did not want to
incorporate a subsystem that lets the user see what has been modified.
This will be dealt with in the future, however, since, yes, removed but
un-purged packages are cruft.

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[Bug 290024] Re: Cruft Remover removed most of the installed packages

2008-11-24 Thread Tux
Everytime I check packages on my Intrepid install as well on my Jaunty
test install I check if Cruft Remover works. Well it does so far. On
Jaunty I have kernel and kernel/system dependent packages in "local or
obsolete", but these are not marked by Cruft Remover. A non-system
dependent package which is no more needed IS marked by Cruft Remover. So
that's ok. But wait  When removing this package it leaves it's
configuration on the system, so there is no complete removal!! Why is
that?? Doesn't that leave cruft on my system?

Tux

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[Bug 290024] Re: Cruft Remover removed most of the installed packages

2008-11-14 Thread Martin Pitt
Accepted into intrepid-proposed, please test and give feedback here.
Please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed for
documentation how to enable and use -proposed. Thank you in advance!

** Changed in: system-cleaner (Ubuntu)
   Target: intrepid-updates => None

** Tags added: verification-needed

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Re: [Bug 290024] Re: Cruft Remover removed most of the installed packages

2008-11-13 Thread Tux
Hello Lars,

I looked at both these packages and they are not in the repository
anymore. Probable a development thing.

2008/11/13 Peter Hoogkamer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hello Lars,
>
> I was updating on Jaunty today and found 2 packages in Cruft Remover
> which are in "local or obsolete" within Synaptic (doc-base and
> libgnomevfs2-common). These packages cannot be removed. On the other
> hand are there linux-image packages in "local or obsolete" which are
> not listed in cruft remover. I have added a screenshot an will try to
> figure out what the difference is between the listed packages.
>
> Tux
>
> 2008/11/11 Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> ** Description changed:
>>
>>  After a clean installation I ran the cruft removal tool (from
>>  System->Administration) and a whole load of packages were ticked - I
>>  applied this and after 20 minutes saw that the majority of my installed
>>  desktop packages were removed. This cleaned up more than left over
>>  cruft(!).
>>
>>  ISO test image:
>>
>>  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20081027/intrepid-desktop-amd64.iso
>>
>>  Test: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/2092/10
>>
>> + SUMMARY FOR SRU: A subset of users can render their systems unusable, by
>> + accidentally removing some packages needed for the system to work or, in
>> + some cases, all or most packages. This has been handled by checking that
>> + two essential packages (dash and gzip) are available in the Packages
>> + files, according to apt, and aborting if not. The regression risk for
>> + this change is that users might not be able to use the tool at all if
>> + the new test is too aggressive, but since update-manager uses the same
>> + heuristic, it should work very well.
>> +
>> + PATCH: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~systemcleaner-hackers/systemcleaner
>> + /intrepid-sru-1-proposal/changes (revision 108).
>> +
>>  TEST CASE: Install without network access ("kvm -net none" suffices).
>>  After installation, install system-cleaner, and verify that "sudo
>>  system-cleaner find" finds a lot of cruft (at least several tens and
>>  possibly hundreds of packages). Install fixed system-cleaner (enabling
>>  networking is fine, as long as nothing runs "apt-get update"), and
>>  verify that "sudo system-cleaner find" returns nothing.
>>
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Re: [Bug 290024] Re: Cruft Remover removed most of the installed packages

2008-11-13 Thread Tux
Hello Lars,

I was updating on Jaunty today and found 2 packages in Cruft Remover
which are in "local or obsolete" within Synaptic (doc-base and
libgnomevfs2-common). These packages cannot be removed. On the other
hand are there linux-image packages in "local or obsolete" which are
not listed in cruft remover. I have added a screenshot an will try to
figure out what the difference is between the listed packages.

Tux

2008/11/11 Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> ** Description changed:
>
>  After a clean installation I ran the cruft removal tool (from
>  System->Administration) and a whole load of packages were ticked - I
>  applied this and after 20 minutes saw that the majority of my installed
>  desktop packages were removed. This cleaned up more than left over
>  cruft(!).
>
>  ISO test image:
>
>  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20081027/intrepid-desktop-amd64.iso
>
>  Test: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/2092/10
>
> + SUMMARY FOR SRU: A subset of users can render their systems unusable, by
> + accidentally removing some packages needed for the system to work or, in
> + some cases, all or most packages. This has been handled by checking that
> + two essential packages (dash and gzip) are available in the Packages
> + files, according to apt, and aborting if not. The regression risk for
> + this change is that users might not be able to use the tool at all if
> + the new test is too aggressive, but since update-manager uses the same
> + heuristic, it should work very well.
> +
> + PATCH: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~systemcleaner-hackers/systemcleaner
> + /intrepid-sru-1-proposal/changes (revision 108).
> +
>  TEST CASE: Install without network access ("kvm -net none" suffices).
>  After installation, install system-cleaner, and verify that "sudo
>  system-cleaner find" finds a lot of cruft (at least several tens and
>  possibly hundreds of packages). Install fixed system-cleaner (enabling
>  networking is fine, as long as nothing runs "apt-get update"), and
>  verify that "sudo system-cleaner find" returns nothing.
>
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[Bug 290024] Re: Cruft Remover removed most of the installed packages

2008-11-11 Thread Lars Wirzenius
** Description changed:

  After a clean installation I ran the cruft removal tool (from
  System->Administration) and a whole load of packages were ticked - I
  applied this and after 20 minutes saw that the majority of my installed
  desktop packages were removed. This cleaned up more than left over
  cruft(!).
  
  ISO test image:
  
  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20081027/intrepid-desktop-amd64.iso
  
  Test: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/2092/10
  
+ SUMMARY FOR SRU: A subset of users can render their systems unusable, by
+ accidentally removing some packages needed for the system to work or, in
+ some cases, all or most packages. This has been handled by checking that
+ two essential packages (dash and gzip) are available in the Packages
+ files, according to apt, and aborting if not. The regression risk for
+ this change is that users might not be able to use the tool at all if
+ the new test is too aggressive, but since update-manager uses the same
+ heuristic, it should work very well.
+ 
+ PATCH: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~systemcleaner-hackers/systemcleaner
+ /intrepid-sru-1-proposal/changes (revision 108).
+ 
  TEST CASE: Install without network access ("kvm -net none" suffices).
  After installation, install system-cleaner, and verify that "sudo
  system-cleaner find" finds a lot of cruft (at least several tens and
  possibly hundreds of packages). Install fixed system-cleaner (enabling
  networking is fine, as long as nothing runs "apt-get update"), and
  verify that "sudo system-cleaner find" returns nothing.

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[Bug 290024] Re: Cruft Remover removed most of the installed packages

2008-11-11 Thread Lars Wirzenius
** Description changed:

  After a clean installation I ran the cruft removal tool (from
  System->Administration) and a whole load of packages were ticked - I
  applied this and after 20 minutes saw that the majority of my installed
  desktop packages were removed. This cleaned up more than left over
  cruft(!).
  
  ISO test image:
  
  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20081027/intrepid-desktop-amd64.iso
  
  Test: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/2092/10
+ 
+ TEST CASE: Install without network access ("kvm -net none" suffices).
+ After installation, install system-cleaner, and verify that "sudo
+ system-cleaner find" finds a lot of cruft (at least several tens and
+ possibly hundreds of packages). Install fixed system-cleaner (enabling
+ networking is fine, as long as nothing runs "apt-get update"), and
+ verify that "sudo system-cleaner find" returns nothing.

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[Bug 290024] Re: Cruft Remover removed most of the installed packages

2008-11-11 Thread Lars Wirzenius
** Changed in: system-cleaner (Ubuntu)
   Status: In Progress => Fix Committed

** Changed in: system-cleaner (Ubuntu Intrepid)
   Status: In Progress => Fix Committed

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[Bug 290024] Re: Cruft Remover removed most of the installed packages

2008-11-11 Thread Tux
@Lars
I also tested on Jaunty which has some local or obsolete packages (screenshot) 
in synaptic. That's where things went wrong in the first place if I recall 
correctly. These packages are not visible any more with you're updated 
packages. The attached screenshot shows synaptic with obsolete packages and 
you're updates Cruft Remover not showing them.

Tux

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[Bug 290024] Re: Cruft Remover removed most of the installed packages

2008-11-11 Thread Lars Wirzenius
Tux, thanks for the testing. Looks like the changes fix things
sufficiently for an update to intrepid. The other changes you suggest
sound like things that could be added for jaunty, thanks for the
suggestions.

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[Bug 290024] Re: Cruft Remover removed most of the installed packages

2008-11-11 Thread Tux
@Lars
Ok, did my testing and added a step where I installed a third party package 
(wine). After installing you're updated packages cruft remover showed me the 
wine package. I noticed you're colomn with the Remove? tekst. That's good. What 
about adding an "Expert" option to cruft remover? Then you can list old log 
files and other non system critical cruft within the "normal user mode" and 
packages like third party software or other system critical packages/files 
within the Expert mode.

Tux

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[Bug 290024] Re: Cruft Remover removed most of the installed packages

2008-11-11 Thread gunnar-eee
I came across this also.   As a user naively trusting all apps in the Intrepid 
environment is stuff to trust I launched the System Cleaner directly following 
an install from Live CD.  I assumed it probably cleans away some unneeded files 
to save some space.
Well as described above most of the components got erased leaving only a 
command line Linux without the ability to login.  So I had to reinstall all 
over.

I think the System Cleaner should be removed until it is safe for non-
experts to run. It can be considered harmful to remove the user's
environment without clearly announcing its intention to do so.  Not all
users may understand what is about to happen when they launch the
cleanup.

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[Bug 290024] Re: Cruft Remover removed most of the installed packages

2008-11-11 Thread Tux
I will do the following:
1. Install a fresh install of Intrepid
2. Install system-cleaner
3. Check if it lists packages to be removed
4. Download you're updated debs and install them
5. Check system-cleaner again
Results will be here soon

Tux

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[Bug 290024] Re: Cruft Remover removed most of the installed packages

2008-11-08 Thread Lars Wirzenius
I've uploaded new packages to

http://code.liw.fi/ubuntu/pool/main/s/system-cleaner/

They recognize the case of the missing packages lists, in at least the
case I could repeat (installation without network). I would appreciate
testing and feedback on whether these packages work for you who have
participated in the discussion of this bug.

** Changed in: system-cleaner (Ubuntu)
   Status: Triaged => In Progress

** Changed in: system-cleaner (Ubuntu Intrepid)
   Status: Triaged => In Progress

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[Bug 290024] Re: Cruft Remover removed most of the installed packages

2008-11-04 Thread Zen Clark
What is the best guess as to the eta for a fix? Stuff like this makes it
harder to validate upgrading this early into the version's release.

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[Bug 290024] Re: Cruft Remover removed most of the installed packages

2008-11-04 Thread Martin Pitt
** Changed in: system-cleaner (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: (unassigned) => Lars Wirzenius (liw)

** Changed in: system-cleaner (Ubuntu Intrepid)
 Assignee: (unassigned) => Lars Wirzenius (liw)

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[Bug 290024] Re: Cruft Remover removed most of the installed packages

2008-11-01 Thread Jags_FL
Ubuntu Intrepid 8.10 (installed from i386 Desktop/Live CD) System
Cleaner / Cruft Remover removes installed packages :

Ok, I ran Cruft Remover (under System > Administration) on a fresh
Intrepid final install, it removed/deleted all the packages that were
NOT installed by Synaptic:

1, OpenOffice.org 3.0
2, Solaris Nimbus theme
3, TrueCrypt

And not just "the boxes, that held the installed programs" but they were
gone/removed completely from Main Menu, AWN & from Themes (Appearance
Preferences) too.

I repeated installations/removals three times and all the time Cruft
Remover removed all three installations completely. Cruft Remover
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[Bug 290024] Re: Cruft Remover removed most of the installed packages

2008-10-31 Thread Tux
I installed the RC again and tried to find out why cruft remover list
these packages. When opening synaptic I saw a lot of packages listed as
"installed localy or obsolete". These were the same as system cleaner
listed. So in a way cruft remover did a good thing, because after
updating my packages these "installed localy or obsolete" packages were
gone and cruft remover did not list them anymore.

I think cruft remover should be more developed to be more sofisticated
about what is cruft and what is not. Give some more warning about
removing things.

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[Bug 290024] Re: Cruft Remover removed most of the installed packages

2008-10-29 Thread HDave
I think its a good idea to drop this unless this bug is fixed.  I just
tried it and it cleans nothing (that I could see) except packages
installed from .deb files without the repository.   It just deleted
skype, picasa, crossover, phun, and google desktop from my machine --
losing all the settings along with it!

Sure I hit the wrong button...its my fault, but it doesn't even prompt
you to be sure...and there is no undo.

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[Bug 290024] Re: Cruft Remover removed most of the installed packages

2008-10-28 Thread Steve Langasek
system-cleaner has been dropped from the desktop task for release after
discussion, so this is no longer a critical fix for 8.10 final.  Can be
considered for SRU instead.

** Changed in: system-cleaner (Ubuntu Intrepid)
   Target: ubuntu-8.10 => intrepid-updates

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[Bug 290024] Re: Cruft Remover removed most of the installed packages

2008-10-27 Thread Henrik Nilsen Omma
Joachim, you issue is more likely bug 285746.

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[Bug 290024] Re: Cruft Remover removed most of the installed packages

2008-10-27 Thread Steve Langasek
** Changed in: system-cleaner (Ubuntu Intrepid)
Sourcepackagename: None => system-cleaner

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[Bug 290024] Re: Cruft Remover removed most of the installed packages

2008-10-27 Thread Joachim Hansen
This also affected me on a upgrded system from hardy. It removed allot
of packages from third party repositories i had installed on my system.

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[Bug 290024] Re: Cruft Remover removed most of the installed packages

2008-10-27 Thread Lars Wirzenius
Instructions to reproduce: install from live CD (did not try alternate,
yet) under kvm using the "-net none" option.

This results in the installed system having an apt that considers
packages to not be downloadable. This, in turn, makes Cruft Remover
consider them to be unavailable, and to consider them to be cruft.

If network is available during installation, everything is OK.

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[Bug 290024] Re: Cruft Remover removed most of the installed packages

2008-10-27 Thread Henrik Nilsen Omma
Confirmed. On a fresh kvm install it proposes to install lots of key
packages including the kernel.

** Changed in: ubuntu
   Importance: Undecided => Critical
   Status: New => Triaged
   Target: None => ubuntu-8.10

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[Bug 290024] Re: Cruft Remover removed most of the installed packages

2008-10-27 Thread Colin King

** Attachment added: "Screen shot #3 of packages marked as cruft"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/18953240/Screenshot-Cruft%20Remover3.png

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[Bug 290024] Re: Cruft Remover removed most of the installed packages

2008-10-27 Thread Colin King

** Attachment added: "Screen shot #2 of packages marked as cruft"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/18953232/Screenshot-Cruft%20Remover2.png

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[Bug 290024] Re: Cruft Remover removed most of the installed packages

2008-10-27 Thread Colin King

** Attachment added: "Screen shot #1 of packages marked as cruft"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/18953223/Screenshot-Cruft%20Remover-1.png

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