[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2009-06-20 Thread RichardNeill
For anyone who wants an easy workaround, may I point this out:
http://meandmyubuntu.blogspot.com/2009/05/getting-hdasp-to-work-on-jaunty.html
It helped me a great deal - and took only 2 minutes.

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2009-04-29 Thread Brad Figg
The status is changed to Won't Fix because of the issues covered
earlier in this bug (see my previous comments).

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2009-04-28 Thread Brad Figg
** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu)
   Status: In Progress = Won't Fix

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2009-04-28 Thread Christoph Pegel
Why did you change the status to wontfix, Brad?
I tried your custom kernel, it works fine, so why not get it into upstream?

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2009-04-27 Thread Brad Figg
I posted the patch to the ubuntu kernel team mailing list for inclusion in 
Karmic. The request has been NAK'd
and the patch will not be accepted. 

Please see: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-
team/2009-April/date.html


When this was included in Hardy, the maintainers indicated that they would be 
attempting
to get the driver upstream. For whatever reason, this did not happen. It is 
quite a bit of work
for us to maintain drivers that are not upstream. It is felt that the 
maintainers of the two drivers
should work together to get a combined driver upstream.

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Re: [Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2009-04-27 Thread Tom Jaeger
Brad Figg wrote:
 I posted the patch to the ubuntu kernel team mailing list for inclusion in 
 Karmic. The request has been NAK'd
 and the patch will not be accepted.
 
 Please see: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-
 team/2009-April/date.html
 
 
 When this was included in Hardy, the maintainers indicated that they would be 
 attempting
 to get the driver upstream. For whatever reason, this did not happen.
IIRC, the reason is that the author of the drivers wants to remain
anonymous, and GregKH won't accept any code from anonymous authors for
fear they might have violated a NDA.

 It is quite a bit of work for us to maintain drivers that are not upstream.
This one I don't buy.  How is it more work to rip the tp_smapi driver
out of the tpctl package than to include the whole thing?

 It is felt that the maintainers of the two drivers
 should work together to get a combined driver upstream.

I highly doubt that this is going to happen anytime soon.

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2009-04-27 Thread Brad Figg
 It is quite a bit of work for us to maintain drivers that are not upstream.
This one I don't buy. How is it more work to rip the tp_smapi driver
out of the tpctl package than to include the whole thing? 

For this example, there is already a hdaps driver upstream. I just doesn't have
the support that a part of the community desires. In order to put in a second
hdaps driver, I have to go into the package, pull out the desired bits, rename
where necessary and integrate them into our kernel tree. 

Now, in this case that isn't a great deal of work. However, if you apply this to
all the requests that we get you can see how it can be quite a bit of work.

 It is felt that the maintainers of the two drivers
 should work together to get a combined driver upstream.

I highly doubt that this is going to happen anytime soon.

That might be, however, that is what should have been happening all along. Even
when the driver was included into Hardy. And if you want it in Karmic that's 
what
it's going to take.

Also, if it goes upstream, all distros can take advantage of it and it benefits 
a larger
section of the community.

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Re: [Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2009-04-27 Thread Tom Jaeger
Brad Figg wrote:
 It is quite a bit of work for us to maintain drivers that are not upstream.
 This one I don't buy. How is it more work to rip the tp_smapi driver
 out of the tpctl package than to include the whole thing? 
 
 For this example, there is already a hdaps driver upstream. I just doesn't 
 have
 the support that a part of the community desires. In order to put in a second
 hdaps driver, I have to go into the package, pull out the desired bits, rename
 where necessary and integrate them into our kernel tree. 
 
 Now, in this case that isn't a great deal of work. However, if you apply this 
 to
 all the requests that we get you can see how it can be quite a bit of work.

For drivers that are not in mainline for one reason or another,  there's
always a trade-off between the benefit to the community and the work
required to maintain the driver out-of tree, which has to be decided on
a case-by-case basis and not by some flawed slippery-slope argument.
Besides, all the work has been done in this case already.

 It is felt that the maintainers of the two drivers
 should work together to get a combined driver upstream.
 
 I highly doubt that this is going to happen anytime soon.
 
 That might be, however, that is what should have been happening all along. 
 Even
 when the driver was included into Hardy. And if you want it in Karmic that's 
 what
 it's going to take.

It's not going to happen, though -- not until either Shem Multinymous
decides to come out of his anonymity or GregKH stops worrying about a
NDA that probably doesn't exist in the first place.

http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/9/15/126

 Also, if it goes upstream, all distros can take advantage of it and it 
 benefits a larger
 section of the community.

If the kernel-team thinks that not including the driver in their kernel
will somehow help get this driver into mainline faster, I think they're
mistaken.

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2009-04-27 Thread Thomas Hood
For users it's best if Ubuntu includes the patch until such time as it
gets merged upstream.

Perhaps this represents an unreasonable amount of work.  If so, then
fair enough.

But I would hope that Ubuntu won't make users suffer merely because
there's disagreement about who really ought to apply the patch.

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2009-04-27 Thread Axx83
what kind of non disclosure agreement could there be on an open source
implementation of a probably patented technology ??? If it's open source
and if the hardware is patented of course.

Really I don't understand the issue, if someone needs a legal analysis
of this issue I could work on it with some help. But from a brief look
it seems illogical.

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Re: [Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2009-04-27 Thread Tom Jaeger
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Axx83 axxaxx83-l...@yahoo.it wrote:
 what kind of non disclosure agreement could there be on an open source
 implementation of a probably patented technology ??? If it's open source
 and if the hardware is patented of course.

 Really I don't understand the issue, if someone needs a legal analysis
 of this issue I could work on it with some help. But from a brief look
 it seems illogical.

It doesn't seem like all the facts are out in the open. GregKH claims
he /knows/ the information was obtained illegally [1], which Shem
disputes [2].

[1] http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/10/7/403
[2] http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/10/7/428

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2009-04-27 Thread Axx83
That is completely ridiculous. Nda is a PERSONAL binding contract, If
you are not under a nda yourself and you obtain infos that bind someone,
no one can do anything to you, the infos are not protected by a patent,
can't be anymore, no action can be taken against a third part using
those info. NONE.

Now, the person who didn't respect the nda can be sued, but if no one
knows who that was and the first party of the contract doesn't take
action...WHAT IS THE PROBLEM ???

the only shadow on that is that the author of hdaps wants to remain
anonymous...why would anyone do that if he has nothing to hide ?
Probably not all is known

But my doubts stay.

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2009-04-27 Thread Alois Hammer
Brad, I appreciate your efforts in trying to get this module into the
default kernel.  If there's anything I can do to get us closer to that
goal (taking a cluestick to upstream, for instance), please let me know.
Meantime, I'm unsubscribing to avoid the troll-spam flood. :(

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2009-04-26 Thread Igor
i got the hdaps working for now by downloading the smapi drivers from
http://tpctl.sourceforge.net/

i then untarred, did 'make HDAPS=1', and then insmod hdaps.ko. this is
on thinkpad x200s. i'd love to see the module incorporated into mainline
ubuntu.

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2009-04-25 Thread Axx83
Unbelievable ! The first Ubuntu release that uses a kernel with the
proper hdaps patch doesn't have the hdaps_ec module  What the
f##k

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2009-04-25 Thread jango
@ axx83: this is nothing!

hdapsd daemon, also needed to get APS working, is form year 2007 and doesn't 
work on newer thinkpads.
The youngest version is from April 2009, but nobody won't integrate it into the 
sources. There is an bug already existing: #300814

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2009-04-25 Thread Geir Ove Myhr
@Brad: I downloaded and installed the 2.6.28-11.43~lp297213bradf1 kernel 
packages. More specifically, I installed the packages 
linux-headers-2.6.28-11_2.6.28-11.43~lp297213bradf1_all.deb
linux-headers-2.6.28-11-generic_2.6.28-11.43~lp297213bradf1_i386.deb
linux-image-2.6.28-11-generic_2.6.28-11.43~lp297213bradf1_i386.deb
linux-libc-dev_2.6.28-11.43~lp297213bradf1_i386.deb
with `dpkg -i linux-*.deb` and rebooted.

hdaps_ec did not show up at lsmod, and hdaps-pivot and hdaps-gl did not
work right away. After `modprobe hdaps_ec` it worked well, cool!

@axx83 and jango: Complaining in a bug report does not help advance your
case. It just makes everyone involved a little bit sad, unmotivated and
less likely to follow up. Even though a working hdaps module is a really
nice feature for us who have built-in accelerometers, it is not really
of something most people have and the computer is totally usable without
it, so I understand that it gets lower priority than bugs which causes
crashes, hangs and loss of data.

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2009-04-25 Thread Tim Starling
@Geir: it causes data loss if I drop my laptop enough.

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Re: [Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2009-04-24 Thread Geir Ove Myhr
Brad, thank you for taking responsibility for this. Do you have a
kernel already that we can test? (I see you don't have a PPA yet...)

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2009-04-24 Thread Brad Figg
I'm working on getting one put together now.

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2009-04-24 Thread Brad Figg
While I figure out how to put a proper PPA together you can get the
kernel that I have build with the hdaps_ec driver. It is located at
http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~bradf/.

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2009-04-22 Thread Brad Figg
SRU Justification:

Impact: This seems to be a regression from Hardy that was not fixed for
Intrepid. This should only affect ThinkPad users and provide additional
functionality.

Fix: Add the hdaps_ec.ko module to the kernel. This is taken from the
tp_smapi release found at http://tpctl.sourceforge.net.

Test: Run on a newer thinkpad, verify that hdaps_ec.ko is loaded.

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Re: [Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2009-04-21 Thread Geir Ove Myhr
It should come from the tp_smapi module at http://tpctl.sourceforge.net/

There's some information at http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/HDAPS

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2009-04-21 Thread Brad Figg
Looking at both the latest release from http://tpctl.sourceforge.net/
and http://hdaps.sourceforge.net it looks like the driver hdaps_ec that
is in hardy lum matches up with the hdaps driver from
http://tpctl.sourceforge.net.

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2009-04-21 Thread Brad Figg
Where does hdaps_ec come from? I've found the hdaps project on
http://haps.sourceforge.net. If I'm going to try to get this into Jaunty
I'd like to get the most recent, stable, version.

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2009-04-20 Thread Alois Hammer
It sure would be nice to have this fixed before Jaunty GA, esp. if it
really is a trivial fix.  There's kind of no point in having hdapsd and
hdaps-utils in universe, else.

If it's not going to be maintained in main, it might as well be moved to
its own package in universe so it can be frobbed without having to
involve main kernel source.

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2009-04-20 Thread Brad Figg
** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = In Progress

** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: (unassigned) = Brad Figg (brad-figg)

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2009-03-30 Thread Thomas Hood
I have written to Ben Collins again asking for comment.

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2009-03-29 Thread Thomas Hood
 Obviously a very simple thing to fix.

Is anyone going to fix it?

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2009-03-29 Thread Tim Starling
I guess not. I tried emailling Ben Collins, who did the commit, no
response. And I tried raising the issue on #ubuntu-kernel on Freenode,
but nobody was interested enough to fix it. I gave up at that point, a
few weeks ago. I haven't tried the mailing lists.

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2009-02-13 Thread Tim Starling
The problem is that hdaps_ec was in a directory all by itself in hardy
lum:

http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-hardy-
lum.git;a=tree;f=ubuntu/hwmon;h=e1a05f606eca36f24fa57367dabb0e801659ac9c;hb=master

Original commit:

http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-hardy-
lum.git;a=commit;h=2e0a73b13cfe2c8c2d620b46a74013435e30c18b

It was accidentally omitted when the relevant modules were ported to
intrepid:

http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-
intrepid.git;a=commitdiff;h=013522314b33a605577843f74cbc0b895b3f3d55

Obviously a very simple thing to fix. Bug 303915 is mostly unrelated.

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2009-02-08 Thread Dominik Stadler
I think the module is also called only hdaps sometimes, at least for
me.

FYI, I have a fairly new Thinkpad (T500) and I get this to work with the
following steps, not sure which parts need to be put into which ubuntu
package to make this available without manual re-compilation:

- compile my own kernel and patch it with one patch for hdaps from
http://cache.gmane.org//gmane/linux/drivers/hdaps/devel/1393-001.bin

- compile latest tp-smapi (version 0.40) with adding HDAPS=1 on the make
command to enable HDAPS correctly

- install the additional modules provided by this tp-smapi and ensure
that any similar modules installed by the kernel itself are removed:

 rm /lib/modules/$KVER/kernel/ubuntu/misc/thinkpad_ec.ko
 rm /lib/modules/$KVER/kernel/ubuntu/misc/tp_smapi.ko
 rm /lib/modules/$KVER/kernel/drivers/hwmon/hdaps.ko

- add the following in a file /etc/modprobe.d/local to set the necessarz 
option
# enable  thinkpad_ec
options thinkpad_ec force_io=1

# option to correctly set tilting through hdaps sensor
options hdaps invert=1

then tp-smapi and hdaps works fine for me after loading modules:
 modprobe tp_smapi 
 modprobe hdaps

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2009-02-08 Thread Dominik Stadler
Forgot one thing, also hdapsd needs to be updated to a later version,
Bug 303915 is related here, it requests an update from latest debian
which should have the necessary changes.

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2009-02-02 Thread Geir Ove Myhr
** Tags added: jaunty

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2009-01-29 Thread Dimitrios Symeonidis
setting status back to new...

** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu)
   Status: Incomplete = New

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2009-01-18 Thread Matthäus Brandl
Well thanks for your help, but actually the reason why I reported this
bug is because most newer Thinkpad models are not supported by hdaps and
the hdaps_ec module is not available...

% sudo modprobe hdaps   
FATAL: Error inserting hdaps 
(/lib/modules/2.6.27-9-generic/kernel/drivers/hwmon/hdaps.ko): No such device
% dmesg | tail
[ 5029.144387] hdaps: supported laptop not found!
[ 5029.144400] hdaps: driver init failed (ret=-19)!
% sudo modprobe hdaps_ec
FATAL: Module hdaps_ec not found.

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2009-01-16 Thread Matthäus Brandl
@Dimitrios:
I thought about that as well, but the result is as follows:
$ sudo modprobe tp_smapi
Runs with return 0
$ dmesg | tail shows:
[22475.378515] tp_smapi 0.37 loading...
[22475.381479] tp_smapi successfully loaded (smapi_port=0xb2).
$ lsmod | grep smapi shows:
tp_smapi   29712  0 
thinkpad_ec14736  1 tp_smapi

So it seems to be up and running nicely, but a test like
$ hdaps-gl yields
open: No such file or directory

I believe this is because tp_smapi for some reason doesn't publish the
sensor data at all or not at the right spot. (I forgot where it should
be, but I know that I looked for the information manually and didn't
find it either)

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2009-01-16 Thread Matthäus Brandl
Btw, I'm now running on 2.6.27-9-generic, but no changes since I filed
the bug

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2009-01-16 Thread Philipp Dreimann
you have to load the hdaps(_ec) module. the tp_smapi module itself does
not fix the problem!

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2009-01-06 Thread Philipp Dreimann
uhm I'm running jaunty kernels.. its not fixed there. (and should be
fixed there as well)

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2008-12-29 Thread Dimitrios Symeonidis
(delayed) answer to matthaues:
l-u-m = linux ubuntu modules 
u-i = ubuntu intrepid
u-i-p = ???

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2008-12-29 Thread Dimitrios Symeonidis
can you guys try loading the tp_smapi.ko module? it's available in the
intrepid kernels...

** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided = Medium
   Status: Confirmed = Invalid

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2008-12-29 Thread Dimitrios Symeonidis
oops, wrong click, i meant incomplete

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   Status: Invalid = Incomplete

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2008-12-28 Thread Michael
Greetings!

I have the same problem. Anything changed yet?

Arnohr

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2008-11-21 Thread Dimitrios Symeonidis
you're right, sorry, there's something wrong with my launchpad-gm-
scripts...

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2008-11-21 Thread Matthäus Brandl
That's why I didn't. It was Gert van Dijk on 2008-11-12

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2008-11-21 Thread Matthäus Brandl
No problem.
btw, can you give me some links explaining these abbreviations? (l-u-m, u-i, 
u-i-p) I know that this is not the right place but google is of no help...

** Description changed:

- Since the hdaps module doesn't support many newer Thinkpad models (mine 
included) and being better, I used the tp_smapi module in Hardy (named 
hdaps_ec) to support the integrated acceleration sensors.
+ Since the hdaps module doesn't support many newer Thinkpad models (mine 
included) and because the tp_smapi module is said to be better, I used the 
latter one in Hardy (named hdaps_ec) to support the integrated acceleration 
sensors.
  But since I upgraded to Intrepid the hdaps_ec module is missing. (in both 
2.6.27-6-generic and 2.6.27-7-generic)
- A locate hdaps_ec only yields the module of the 2.6.24-21-generic kernel...
+ A locate hdaps_ec only yields the module of the 2.6.24-21-generic kernel...
  
  There are many people experiencing this problem, but the comment this in bug 
reports saying that hdaps doesn't support their model.
  See e.g. #274512
  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/274510/comments/5

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2008-11-20 Thread Dimitrios Symeonidis
related discussion in the ubuntu kernel-team mailing list:
http://www.nabble.com/tp_smapi-merge-isues-from-l-u-m-to-u-i,-with-possible-u-i-p-effects-td19655743.html

matthaeus, you're not supposed to confirm your own bug reports!

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2008-11-12 Thread Philipp Dreimann
** Tags added: regression

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[Bug 297213] Re: Intrepid: Missing hdaps_ec kernel module

2008-11-12 Thread Gert van Dijk
** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Confirmed

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