[Bug 332600] Re: Writing data to device appears as fallback alert

2014-02-11 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
** No longer affects: notify-osd

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[Bug 332600] Re: Writing data to device appears as fallback alert

2010-09-16 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: gnome-mount
   Status: New = Expired

** Changed in: gnome-mount
   Importance: Unknown = Low

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[Bug 332600] Re: Writing data to device appears as fallback alert

2009-12-05 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/gnome-mount

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Re: [Bug 332600] Re: Writing data to device appears as fallback alert

2009-04-17 Thread Martin Pitt
Ricardo Pérez López [2009-04-16 21:51 -]:
 Could it be a way to display the notification window always on top?

I think there's a WM hint to do that; perhaps you can open a new bug
report and assign it to me?

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[Bug 332600] Re: Writing data to device appears as fallback alert

2009-04-17 Thread Michael B. Trausch
I just ran into this issue with the notifications for media being synced
being stupid on my SD card slot.

These things should either be focused and upfront, or special cased like
audio/brightness adjustments are in osd-notify so that these (very
important, for users of FAT) notifications can _NOT_ be missed.

Remember the fragility of the system most people use on their SD cards,
here, guys.  And if indef. notifications break notify-osd, then notify-
osd is incorrectly designed... the solution would be to support parallel
notifications for indefinite things, and serialize the timeout messages
(if you absolutely _must_ but that really does work quite horribly on my
system).

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[Bug 332600] Re: Writing data to device appears as fallback alert

2009-04-17 Thread Ricardo Pérez López
Sure! I'd just opened the bug #362767. Thanks!

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[Bug 332600] Re: Writing data to device appears as fallback alert

2009-04-16 Thread Ricardo Pérez López
The notification window does not show in front of the other windows. It
shows always behind the other windows (therefore hidden). In order to
see it, I need to click on its corresponding button on the task bar. Is
it intentional?

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Re: [Bug 332600] Re: Writing data to device appears as fallback alert

2009-04-16 Thread Martin Pitt
Ricardo Pérez López [2009-04-16 18:59 -]:
 The notification window does not show in front of the other windows. It
 shows always behind the other windows (therefore hidden). In order to
 see it, I need to click on its corresponding button on the task bar. Is
 it intentional?

It's not really intentional, it's just the window manager's policy for
new windows, I guess. That's one of the drawbacks that you get for
doing notifications without notifications :-/

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[Bug 332600] Re: Writing data to device appears as fallback alert

2009-04-16 Thread Ricardo Pérez López
Damn. That kind of notification doesn't notify very well, IMHO.

Could it be a way to display the notification window always on top?

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[Bug 332600] Re: Writing data to device appears as fallback alert

2009-03-09 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: gnome-mount
   Status: Unknown = New

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[Bug 332600] Re: Writing data to device appears as fallback alert

2009-03-03 Thread Martin Pitt
I have an initial version ready now. It implements the dialog layout and
workflow, but continues to use two of the upstream strings:

  Finishing up…  - Writing data to device
  It’s now safe to eject %s- The device %s is now safe to remove.
  It’s now safe to disconnect %s - The device %s is now safe to remove.

Changing the strings should really be done in accordance with upstream
(see bug 329296), since doing so breaks all translations. The patch
introduces one new string (To prevent data loss, wait until this has
finished before disconnecting.), we have to live with that.

Attaching screenshots for both dialogs.

** Attachment added: screenshot: cache flushing
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23359790/cache-flushing.png

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[Bug 332600] Re: Writing data to device appears as fallback alert

2009-03-03 Thread Martin Pitt

** Attachment added: screenshot: flushing done
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23359803/flushing-done.png

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[Bug 332600] Re: Writing data to device appears as fallback alert

2009-03-03 Thread Martin Pitt
Current patch, which I'll upload in a minute.

** Attachment added: patch
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[Bug 332600] Re: Writing data to device appears as fallback alert

2009-03-03 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
This bug was fixed in the package gnome-mount - 0.8-1ubuntu2

---
gnome-mount (0.8-1ubuntu2) jaunty; urgency=low

  * Add 09_use_window_for_flushing.patch: Use an alert window for flushing
instead of notifications. Ubuntu's notify-osd does not support infinite
timeouts, thus we cannot use notifications. (LP: #332600)

 -- Martin Pitt martin.p...@ubuntu.com   Tue, 03 Mar 2009 12:48:16
+0100

** Changed in: gnome-mount (Ubuntu Jaunty)
   Status: In Progress = Fix Released

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[Bug 332600] Re: Writing data to device appears as fallback alert

2009-03-03 Thread Martin Pitt
** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #573915
   http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=573915

** Also affects: gnome-mount via
   http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=573915
   Importance: Unknown
   Status: Unknown

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[Bug 332600] Re: Writing data to device appears as fallback alert

2009-02-28 Thread Martin Pitt
Matthew, where is that mockup/mini-spec?

Two questions to our design gurus:

 - Writing data... alert window: do you prefer an indefinite progress
bar, or no progress bar at all? (with current Linux there is no way to
predict when the cache flushing will be finished, so we can't have a
definite progress bar)

 - The Device is now safe to remove event: should that stay a normal
notification bubble? Or be integrated in above alert window and
disappear automatically after 10 seconds or so?

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[Bug 332600] Re: Writing data to device appears as fallback alert

2009-02-28 Thread BUGabundo
On Saturday 28 February 2009 13:11:39 Martin Pitt wrote:
  - Writing data... alert window: do you prefer an indefinite progress
 bar, or no progress bar at all? (with current Linux there is no way to
 predict when the cache flushing will be finished, so we can't have a
 definite progress bar)

Then dont make it a progress bar, but a cycle around (like bootsplash)

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[Bug 332600] Re: Writing data to device appears as fallback alert

2009-02-28 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
Martin, the mockup and mini-spec are linked to in the description of
this bug report. As you’ve guessed, they include an indeterminate
progress bar, which is replaced by the safe to remove text, and the
window disappearing a few seconds later.

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Re: [Dx-team] [Bug 332600] Re: Writing data to device appears as fallback alert

2009-02-27 Thread Mark Shuttleworth

An alert is a dialog box that has a set of buttons, including OK and
Cancel, and can be dismissed.

Mark

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Re: [Dx-team] [Bug 332600] Re: Writing data to device appears as fallback alert

2009-02-27 Thread Martin Pitt
Mark Shuttleworth [2009-02-27  9:12 -]:
 An alert is a dialog box that has a set of buttons, including OK and
 Cancel, and can be dismissed.

Hm, but that sounds like the wrong thing to me for this particular
case, since the user isn't supposed to do two additional clicks just
after unmounting?

Should it be an unfocused window with just a bouncing progress bar,
which automatically goes away once umount is done?

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[Bug 332600] Re: Writing data to device appears as fallback alert

2009-02-27 Thread BUGabundo
FYI *some times* i dont see either (notification or alert), but other
times I'm seeing BOTH.

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[Bug 332600] Re: Writing data to device appears as fallback alert

2009-02-27 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
Hm, why is notify-osd rendering this notification as a dialog box? it's
just a simple notification, it doesn't have actions...

This is not because it has any non-default timeout, and it's not because
the notifications are queued. It's almost cerainly because gnome-mount
sets expire_timeout to 0, which means that the developer does not want
the notification to expire by itself, as all Notify OSD bubbles do.
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD#org.freedesktop.Notifications.Notify

So yes, gnome-mount should use a progress window instead, as I said
yesterday. I'll provide a mockup of that today. (I'll also add text to
the notification design guidelines about not using notification bubbles
to show progress; that's never been a good idea, and Notify OSD just
makes that more obvious.)

** Changed in: notify-osd
   Status: Confirmed = Invalid

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Re: [Dx-team] [Bug 332600] Re: Writing data to device appears as fallback alert

2009-02-27 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Martin Pitt wrote:
 Should it be an unfocused window with just a bouncing progress bar,
 which automatically goes away once umount is done?
   
Yes!

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Re: [Bug 332600] Re: Writing data to device appears as fallback alert

2009-02-27 Thread Martin Pitt
Matthew Paul Thomas [2009-02-27 12:46 -]:
 This is not because it has any non-default timeout, and it's not because
 the notifications are queued. It's almost cerainly because gnome-mount
 sets expire_timeout to 0

Right, that's what I meant. It's used as an _indefinite_ timeout, not
an _infinite_ one.

 ** Changed in: notify-osd
Status: Confirmed = Invalid

I strongly object to this, though. While we'll see to fix gnome-mount,
we can't possibly fix the entire software world by Jaunty, so at least
for Jaunty itself, notify-osd should respect different timeouts,
including indefinite ones. Otherwise I'm afraid we'll get a lot of bad
press and spoil the story of notify-osd.

Please NB that I am not complaining against disregarding timeouts
_eventually_, just for a transition period (well, I still question
that a fixed 10 second timeout is always the right thing, because I
feel that it's not; but that's a separate issue).

Did you mark this bug as invalid because you insist on disregarding
timeouts for Jaunty, or because it should be tracked in a separate
bug?

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[Bug 332600] Re: Writing data to device appears as fallback alert

2009-02-27 Thread Martin Pitt
Taking for now, unless I find someone else to work on this.

** Changed in: gnome-mount (Ubuntu Jaunty)
 Assignee: (unassigned) = Martin Pitt (pitti)
   Status: Confirmed = Triaged

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Re: [Bug 332600] Re: Writing data to device appears as fallback alert

2009-02-27 Thread Mark Shuttleworth

We can't support indefinite timeouts. We have no mechanism to dismiss
them, and they queue up and are displayed serially, so an indefinite
notification would be a real DOS on the system ;-)

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[Bug 332600] Re: Writing data to device appears as fallback alert

2009-02-27 Thread Martin Pitt
** Changed in: gnome-mount (Ubuntu Jaunty)
   Status: Triaged = In Progress
   Target: None = ubuntu-9.04-beta

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[Bug 332600] Re: Writing data to device appears as fallback alert

2009-02-27 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
I've added a mockup and mini-spec for the progress window. Thanks very
much BUGabundo for your help with this.

Martin, if you know of any other programs that use and rely on a
specific non-zero expire_timeout, please let me know. Our assumption has
been that for any expire_timeout other than zero, it won't matter if
Notify OSD decides the duration itself instead.

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[Bug 332600] Re: Writing data to device appears as fallback alert

2009-02-26 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
** Summary changed:

- gmount popups instead of libindicate
+ Writing data to device appears as fallback alert

** Description changed:

- Binary package hint: gnome-mount
+ gnome-mount 0.8-1ubuntu1, Ubuntu Jaunty
  
- gnome-mount does not use indicator-applet when umounting a disk.
+ When a removable storage device is disconnected or removed without first
+ being unmounted, gnome-mount puts up a Writing data to device
+ notification that asks you not to do what you've already done. Because
+ it is persistent, Notify OSD renders this notification as a suboptimal
+ fallback alert box.
  
- $ apt-cache policy gnome-mount
- gnome-mount:
-   Installed: 0.8-1ubuntu1
-   Candidate: 0.8-1ubuntu1
-   Version table:
-  *** 0.8-1ubuntu1 0
- 500 ftp://darkstar.ist.utl.pt jaunty/main Packages
- 500 ftp://archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages
- 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
+ Instead, gnome-mount should use a proper error alert box with less
+ futile text.
  
- $ apt-cache policy libindicate0
- libindicate0:
-   Installed: 0.1.1-0ubuntu2
-   Candidate: 0.1.1-0ubuntu2
-   Version table:
-  *** 0.1.1-0ubuntu2 0
- 500 ftp://darkstar.ist.utl.pt jaunty/main Packages
- 500 ftp://archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages
- 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
+ It may save time to fix bug 325315 at the same time as this bug.
  
- ProblemType: Bug
- Architecture: amd64
- DistroRelease: Ubuntu 9.04
- NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia
- Package: gnome-mount 0.8-1ubuntu1
- ProcEnviron:
-  SHELL=/bin/bash
-  PATH=(custom, no user)
-  LANG=en_US.UTF-8
- SourcePackage: gnome-mount
- Uname: Linux 2.6.28-8-generic x86_64
+ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD#gnome-mount

** Tags removed: amd64

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[Bug 332600] Re: Writing data to device appears as fallback alert

2009-02-26 Thread Martin Pitt
Just to correct some misunderstandings here: These bubbles appear when
you are unmounting a device. If that takes a bit, because the write
cache still needs to be written back to it, you first get a notification
which says please do not remove..., and once the cache is flushed and
unmounting is complete, you get a new notification device is now safe
to remove.

This is one case where a fixed notification time just doesn't work (I
also brought that up very early when I complained about not providing
any method of overriding the time).

What do you mean with proper alert box? There shouldn't ever be a
dialog box which the user has to act on, since the situation will just
resolve itself. If the user has to click away two dialog boxes each time
he unmounts a device, he will rightfully go crazy..

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[Bug 332600] Re: Writing data to device appears as fallback alert

2009-02-26 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
Ah, I'm sorry I misunderstood. If it's properly warning people not to
disconnect/eject, it should be a progress window rather than a
notification *or* an alert box.

** Description changed:

  gnome-mount 0.8-1ubuntu1, Ubuntu Jaunty
  
- When a removable storage device is disconnected or removed without first
- being unmounted, gnome-mount puts up a Writing data to device
- notification that asks you not to do what you've already done. Because
- it is persistent, Notify OSD renders this notification as a suboptimal
- fallback alert box.
+ When a removable storage device is taking non-trivial time to unmount
+ (flushing the cache), gnome-mount puts up a Writing data to device
+ notification asking you not to disconnect it while that's happening.
+ Because it is persistent, Notify OSD renders this notification as a
+ suboptimal fallback alert box.
  
- Instead, gnome-mount should use a proper error alert box with less
- futile text.
+ Instead, gnome-mount should use a progress window containing the warning
+ text.
  
  It may save time to fix bug 325315 at the same time as this bug.
  
  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD#gnome-mount

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[Bug 332600] Re: Writing data to device appears as fallback alert

2009-02-26 Thread Martin Pitt
Oh, you are saying notify-osd turns non-default timeouts into dialog
boxes? That's wrong, since the dialog boxes won't go automatically the
same way than notification bubbles go.

Arguably the usage should be fixed in gnome-mount, but in jaunty it's
almost impossible to collect the list of applications which are affected
by this (think about third-party apps).

It is gravely wrong to assume that all the software in the world will
instantly follow the semantics of notify-osd. This can be done
eventually, after a couple of cycles, but not immediately. Even ignoring
the timeout is better than converting it into a dialog, but for Jaunty
I'm inclined to say that we should respect the timeout, since it's
impossible to fix all applications which use timeouts in time.

** Changed in: notify-osd
   Importance: Undecided = High
   Status: Won't Fix = Confirmed

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[Bug 332600] Re: Writing data to device appears as fallback alert

2009-02-26 Thread Martin Pitt
Hm, why is notify-osd rendering this notification as a dialog box? it's
just a simple notification, it doesn't have actions, so there is no
dialog involved here.

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Re: [Bug 332600] Re: Writing data to device appears as fallback alert

2009-02-26 Thread Mark Shuttleworth

We queue notifications, they are asynchronous. In other words, it may
not be displayed for some time after the app sent the message. So, we
prefer to display it immediately as an alert, rather than delaying it
then not knowing whether the time relates to reality or not.

Mark

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Re: [Bug 332600] Re: Writing data to device appears as fallback alert

2009-02-26 Thread Martin Pitt
Mark Shuttleworth [2009-02-26 18:47 -]:
 So, we prefer to display it immediately as an alert

What does that technically mean, a different kind of notification
bubble (like for brightness), or a message box with no buttons, or
something else?

Thanks, Martin

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