[Bug 340051] Re: [upstream] Calc precision error subtracting 3 integers

2018-12-23 Thread Christopher M. Penalver
Confirmed fixed in Version: 6.1.3.2 (x64). Upstream advised fixed since
5.3 as per https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37923#c17
.

** Bug watch added: Document Foundation Bugzilla #37923
   https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37923

** Changed in: libreoffice (Ubuntu)
   Status: Triaged => Fix Released

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2014-11-17 Thread Christopher M. Penalver
Robinson Tryon, thanks for your comment.

The scope here is precision parity with Excel for this one situation.

BTW, now the report allows one to set the Status to NEW.

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2014-11-17 Thread Qubit
(In reply to Christopher M. Penalver from comment #14)
 Unfortunately, NEW is not an available Status

NEW makes sense if it's possible/likely to get fixed. My guess is that
most Calc devs are going to punt on it, at best.

 UNCONFIRMED doesn't apply

I don't like to see bugs sitting in UNCONFIRMED permanently, but I
haven't seen the case made for this bug yet. It's unclear to me that
(aside from docs) there is some code to write here.

 as it's more than confirmed up and downstream, so it's REOPENED.

REOPENED is a very specific state that covers bugs that have been
patched/marked as FIXED by a dev, and then have been reopened because
the fix didn't work or was incomplete. That's not the case here.

 I'm fine with this remaining open as a lowest priority enhancement request,
 given the scope of this report is narrow and well defined, in that it's not
 increase precision on everything, but an Excel calcuation parity request in
 a well defined case as noted in the Description, and downstream.

As Markus noted, this is a pretty small component of compatibility.
We're not talking about the difference between, say, 10k and 500k rows,
we're talking about some nuances of floating-point math when operating
on HUGE (or incredibly *small*) numbers.

 As well, this not being a high priority issue is both expected and
 understandable. However, being able to seemlessly exchange documents between
 colleagues using Excel, without the hassle of having to WORKAROUND
 compatibility issues would be fair here. Especially in light of how
 compatibility is a focus of the project -
 http://www.libreoffice.org/discover/libreoffice/ :
 LibreOffice is compatible with many document formats such as Microsoft®
 Word, Excel...

LibreOffice and MS-Office will never be 100% perfectly compatible.
Things like 'seamless' compatibility will be difficult when there are
fonts that ship with MS-Office that we aren't legally allowed to
distribute, let alone nuances in the implementation of floating-point
arithmetic ;-)

If you're looking for precision regarding big or small number arithmetic
like this, I think that something like Sage or Octave would be an
appropriate software package to use.

 Despite this, I've placed myself as the QA contact if you would have further
 questions on the scope of this report.

Making yourself the QA Contact is great, but I remain skeptical that any
dev will pick this up. In fact, Markus explained the problem pretty
well:


The only solution would be to use exact numbers instad of floating point 
numbers, but this will have even bigger performance impact.


It's pretty clear to me that Markus doesn't think that we should trade
performance for increased decimal place precision, and I'm inclined to
trust his judgment. I still think this bug should be marked as a dupe
and become a documented limitation of LO.

Question: What's you goal here? Do you want to match the behavior of
Excel, or just increase the precision of these calculations? The former
seems more doable than the latter.

(please change status back to 'UNCONFIRMED' after you leave a comment)

Status - NEEDINFO

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[Bug 340051]

2014-11-17 Thread Christopher M. Penalver
Robinson Tryon, thank you for your comment.

I'm fine with this remaining open as a lowest priority enhancement
request, given the scope of this report is narrow and well defined, in
that it's not increase precision on everything, but an Excel calcuation
parity request in a well defined case as noted in the Description, and
downstream.

As well, this not being a high priority issue is both expected and 
understandable. However, being able to seemlessly exchange documents between 
colleagues using Excel, without the hassle of having to WORKAROUND 
compatibility issues would be fair here. Especially in light of how 
compatibility is a focus of the project - 
http://www.libreoffice.org/discover/libreoffice/ :
LibreOffice is compatible with many document formats such as Microsoft® Word, 
Excel...

Unfortunately, NEW is not an available Status, and UNCONFIRMED doesn't
apply as it's more than confirmed up and downstream, so it's REOPENED.

Despite this, I've placed myself as the QA contact if you would have
further questions on the scope of this report.

Thank you for your understanding.

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2014-11-17 Thread Qubit
(In reply to Markus Mohrhard from comment #7)
 @christopher I still don't think that this is really a bug, we just behave a
 bit different than excel. I suppose there will always be some differences
 between calc and excel and not all are bugs.

If we're not going to regard this as a bug, I think that loss of
precision  different behavior from Excel = a good candidate for
documentation.

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 67026 ***

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[Bug 340051] Re: [upstream] Calc precision error subtracting 3 integers

2014-11-17 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: df-libreoffice
   Status: New = Confirmed

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2014-11-10 Thread Jmadero-dev
*** Bug 67026 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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2014-11-03 Thread Jmadero-dev
Never confirmed by QA team - moving to UNCONFIRMED.

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[Bug 340051] Re: [upstream] Calc precision error subtracting 3 integers

2014-11-03 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: df-libreoffice
   Status: Confirmed = New

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2014-05-13 Thread Mariosv
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[Bug 340051]

2014-02-04 Thread Owen-genat
Summary edited for clarity.

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2014-02-04 Thread Owen-genat
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[Bug 340051] Re: [upstream] Calc precision error subtracting 3 integers

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On 2011-06-04T07:57:28+00:00 Christopher M. Penalver wrote:

Created attachment 47525
openoffice.summation.bug.ods

Downstream bug may be found at:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/340051

1) lsb_release -rd
Description: Ubuntu 11.04
Release: 11.04

2) apt-cache policy libreoffice-calc
libreoffice-calc:
  Installed: 1:3.3.2-1ubuntu5
  Candidate: 1:3.3.2-1ubuntu5
  Version table:
 *** 1:3.3.2-1ubuntu5 0
500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ natty-updates/main i386 
Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
 1:3.3.2-1ubuntu4 0
500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ natty/main i386 Packages

3) What is expected to happen in LibreOffice Calc via the Terminal:

cd ~/Desktop  wget
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/340051/+attachment/486207/+files/openoffice.summation.bug.ods
 localc openoffice.summation.bug.ods

is that cell A1=806515533049393 cell B1=1 cell C1=806515533049393 and
cell D1=A1-B1-C1=-1.

4) What happens instead is cell D1 is 0.

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On 2011-06-04T08:40:19+00:00 Markus Mohrhard wrote:

Hello Christopher,

this is not a bug but a mathematical problem. Subtracting two nearly
identical numbers is an ill-conditioned
problem.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condition_number

It's problem that every program using floating point numbers has and
that can't really be solved.

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On 2011-06-04T09:47:02+00:00 Christopher M. Penalver wrote:

(In reply to comment #1)
 Hello Christopher,
 
 this is not a bug but a mathematical problem. Subtracting two nearly identical
 numbers is an ill-conditioned
 problem.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condition_number
 
 It's problem that every program using floating point numbers has and that 
 can't
 really be solved.

Markus, thank you for quickly taking a look at this. It is agreed this
issue is not an easy one to deal with, and more an issue of how
accurate is it? versus is it 100% accurate or not?. However, this was
marked as a bug because both Excel and Gnumeric correctly yield -1.
Looks like a great opportunity to improve LO! :)

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On 2011-06-04T14:04:53+00:00 Markus Mohrhard wrote:

Hello Christopher,

sure it's annoying but if you try with for example Excel the limit is
just a bit higher. Try with 1126515533121300 and 1. I'm really surprised
that we have this problem a bit earlier but I don't think it is
something we should worry about.

There is no real possibility to resolve the general problem. So in my
opinion this is annoying but we should not try to fix it.

The only solution would be to use exact numbers instad of floating point
numbers, but this will have even bigger performance impact.

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On 2011-06-04T23:10:51+00:00 Christopher M. Penalver wrote:

(In reply to comment #3)
 Hello Christopher,
 
 sure it's annoying but if you try with for example Excel the limit is just a
 bit higher. Try with 1126515533121300 and 1. I'm really surprised that we have
 this problem a bit earlier but I don't think it is something we should worry
 about.

Markus, thank you for your discussion on this issue. As I have been
focused on upstreaming Ubuntu bugs, my standard for downstream triaging
has been What occurs in Excel in the same circumstance? Viewing it
this way, ones expectation for this issue is that LO, at least, matches
the precision of Excel. Anything more precise than Excel, at best, is an
ENHANCEMENT request.

 There is no real possibility to resolve the general problem. So in my opinion
 this is annoying but we should not try to fix it.
 
 The only solution would be to use exact numbers instad of floating point
 numbers, but this will have even bigger performance impact.

Regarding exact numbers v. floating point this is outside my area of
expertise so I defer to your and the communities position as to if, how,
and when to move forward on that.

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[Bug 340051] Re: [upstream] Calc precision error subtracting 3 integers

2011-09-15 Thread Björn Michaelsen
** Changed in: openoffice.org (Ubuntu)
   Status: Triaged = Won't Fix

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[Bug 340051] migrating packaging from OpenOffice.org to Libreoffice

2011-09-15 Thread Björn Michaelsen
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There are no new official OpenOffice.org releases in Ubuntu packaging anymore 
= Won't Fix  

If the problem persists, please mark this bug as also affects project
Libreoffice or also affects distribution Libreoffice (Ubuntu) if that
has not happened already.

Please leave references to upstream OpenOffice.org bugs in place to
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[Bug 340051] Re: [upstream] Calc precision error subtracting 3 integers

2011-08-12 Thread Christopher M. Penalver
** Changed in: openoffice.org (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Medium = Low

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2011-06-24 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: df-libreoffice
   Importance: Medium = Wishlist

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[Bug 340051] Re: [upstream] Calc precision error subtracting 3 integers

2011-06-19 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: df-libreoffice
   Status: Invalid = Confirmed

** Changed in: df-libreoffice
   Importance: High = Medium

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2011-06-18 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: df-libreoffice
   Status: Confirmed = Invalid

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[Bug 340051] Re: [upstream] Sum error when using three cells and a large #.

2011-06-04 Thread Christopher M. Penalver
** Also affects: libreoffice (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Summary changed:

- [upstream] Sum error when using three cells and a large #.
+ [upstream] Calc precision error subtracting 3 integers

** Description changed:

  Binary package hint: openoffice.org
  
- Cell A1=806515533049393
- Cell B1=1
- Cell C1=806515533049393
- Cell D1=A1-B1-C1=0
+ 1)  lsb_release -rd
+ Description:  Ubuntu 11.04
+ Release:  11.04
  
- If the contents of B1 and C1 are swapped, the correct answer of -1 is
- given.
+ 2) apt-cache policy libreoffice-calc
+ libreoffice-calc:
+   Installed: 1:3.3.2-1ubuntu5
+   Candidate: 1:3.3.2-1ubuntu5
+   Version table:
+  *** 1:3.3.2-1ubuntu5 0
+ 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ natty-updates/main i386 
Packages
+ 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
+  1:3.3.2-1ubuntu4 0
+ 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ natty/main i386 Packages
  
- OpenOffice 2.4.1 on x86 Ubuntu 8.10 Intrepid Ibex. This error did not
- occur when performing the same numerical calculation in the bash shell:
- echo $((a-1-a)).
+ 3) What is expected to happen in LibreOffice Calc via the Terminal:
+ 
+ cd ~/Desktop  wget
+ 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/340051/+attachment/486207/+files/openoffice.summation.bug.ods
+  localc openoffice.summation.bug.ods
+ 
+ is that cell A1=806515533049393 cell B1=1 cell C1=806515533049393 and
+ cell D1=A1-B1-C1=-1.
+ 
+ 4) What happens instead is cell D1 is 0.
+ 
+ WORKAROUND: Use Gnumeric.
+ 
+ apt-cache policy gnumeric
+ gnumeric:
+   Installed: 1.10.13-1ubuntu1
+   Candidate: 1.10.13-1ubuntu1
+   Version table:
+  *** 1.10.13-1ubuntu1 0
+ 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ natty/universe i386 Packages
+ 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
+ 
+ WORKAROUND: If the contents of B1 and C1 are swapped, the correct answer
+ of -1 is given.
+ 
+ Original Reporter comments: OpenOffice 2.4.1 on x86 Ubuntu 8.10 Intrepid
+ Ibex. This error did not occur when performing the same numerical
+ calculation in the bash shell: echo $((a-1-a)).
  
  ProblemType: Bug
  Architecture: i386
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 8.10
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia
  Package: openoffice.org-core 1:2.4.1-11ubuntu2.1
  ProcEnviron:
-  
PATH=/usr/lib/openoffice/program:/home/username/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/opt/real/RealPlayer
-  LANG=en_CA.UTF-8
-  SHELL=/bin/bash
+  
PATH=/usr/lib/openoffice/program:/home/username/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/opt/real/RealPlayer
+  LANG=en_CA.UTF-8
+  SHELL=/bin/bash
  SourcePackage: openoffice.org
  Uname: Linux 2.6.27-11-generic i686

** Tags added: lo33

** Changed in: libreoffice (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided = Medium

** Changed in: libreoffice (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Triaged

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[Bug 340051] Re: [upstream] Calc precision error subtracting 3 integers

2011-06-04 Thread Christopher M. Penalver
** Bug watch added: freedesktop.org Bugzilla #37923
   http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37923

** Also affects: df-libreoffice via
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   Importance: Unknown
   Status: Unknown

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[Bug 340051] Re: [upstream] Calc precision error subtracting 3 integers

2011-06-04 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: df-libreoffice
   Status: Unknown = Confirmed

** Changed in: df-libreoffice
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[Bug 340051] Re: [upstream] Sum error when using three cells and a large #.

2010-05-13 Thread Chris Cheney
** Tags added: intrepid

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[Bug 340051] Re: [upstream] Sum error when using three cells and a large #.

2009-03-28 Thread Chris Cheney
** Changed in: openoffice
 Bugwatch: OpenOffice.org Issue Tracker #100439 = OpenOffice.org Issue 
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   Status: Confirmed = Unknown

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[Bug 340051] Re: [upstream] Sum error when using three cells and a large #.

2009-03-20 Thread Chris Cheney
** Bug watch added: OpenOffice.org Issue Tracker #100439
   http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=100439

** Changed in: openoffice
   Importance: Undecided = Unknown
 Bugwatch: None = OpenOffice.org Issue Tracker #100439
   Status: New = Unknown

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[Bug 340051] Re: [upstream] Sum error when using three cells and a large #.

2009-03-20 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: openoffice
   Status: Unknown = Confirmed

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[Bug 340051] Re: Sum error when using three cells and a large #.

2009-03-19 Thread Chris Cheney
This works on Excel but does not work on official OOo 3.0.1, so this bug
needs to be sent upstream.

Thanks,

Chris

** Changed in: openoffice.org (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided = Medium
   Status: New = Triaged

** Also affects: openoffice
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Summary changed:

- Sum error when using three cells and a large #.
+ [upstream] Sum error when using three cells and a large #.

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[Bug 340051] [NEW] Sum error when using three cells and a large #.

2009-03-09 Thread Scott Krakiwsky
Public bug reported:

Binary package hint: openoffice.org

Cell A1=806515533049393
Cell B1=1
Cell C1=806515533049393
Cell D1=A1-B1-C1=0

If the contents of B1 and C1 are swapped, the correct answer of -1 is
given.

OpenOffice 2.4.1 on x86 Ubuntu 8.10 Intrepid Ibex. This error did not
occur when performing the same numerical calculation in the bash shell:
echo $((a-1-a)).

ProblemType: Bug
Architecture: i386
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 8.10
NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia
Package: openoffice.org-core 1:2.4.1-11ubuntu2.1
ProcEnviron:
 
PATH=/usr/lib/openoffice/program:/home/username/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/opt/real/RealPlayer
 LANG=en_CA.UTF-8
 SHELL=/bin/bash
SourcePackage: openoffice.org
Uname: Linux 2.6.27-11-generic i686

** Affects: openoffice.org (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: New


** Tags: apport-bug

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[Bug 340051] Re: Sum error when using three cells and a large #.

2009-03-09 Thread Scott Krakiwsky

** Attachment added: openoffice.summation.bug.ods
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23665400/openoffice.summation.bug.ods

** Attachment added: Dependencies.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23665401/Dependencies.txt

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