[Bug 374900] Re: Libfaac not LGPL

2011-06-08 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
This bug was fixed in the package faac - 1.28-0ubuntu1

---
faac (1.28-0ubuntu1) oneiric; urgency=low

  * New upstream release. Package based on Debian Multimedia team git.
(LP: #395902)
  * debian/copyright documents all applicable licenses. The package as a whole
is not LGPL and will stay in multiverse. (LP: #374900)
  * Back to using a bundled internal copy of libmp4v2 in the frontend. The
external libmp4v2 will eventually be removed.

faac (1.28-0fab3) unstable; urgency=low

  [ Andres Mejia ]
  * Various fixes for getting faac working on current Debian sid.
  * Include myself in Uploaders field.
  * Clarify comment about build fixes in patch.
  * Change this package section to non-free due to its conflicting
licensing terms.
  * Don't include libtool file.

  [ Maia Kozheva ]
  * Add .gitignore.
  * Remove explicit quilt dependency, migrate to 3.0 source format.
  * Remove autoreconf.patch, using dh_autoreconf.
  * debian/control:
- Reword binary package descriptions to remove initial articles.
- Bump Standards-Version to 3.9.2.
- Update maintainer field.
- Add myself to uploaders.
  * debian/control, debian/rules:
- Remove quilt, add dh-autoreconf support.
  * debian/faac.manpages, debian/manpages/faac.1:
- Add manpage from Ubuntu version 1.26-0.1ubuntu2, with manpage hyphen
  issues corrected.

faac (1.28-0fab2) unstable; urgency=low

  * debian/control, debian/rules: Ported from debhelper (= 7) to cdbs.
  * debian/control: Wrapped Build-Depends and Depends fields.

faac (1.28-0fab1) unstable; urgency=low

  * Initial release.
 -- Maia Kozheva si...@ubuntu.com   Thu, 09 Jun 2011 12:00:51 +0700

** Changed in: faac (Ubuntu)
   Status: Triaged = Fix Released

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[Bug 374900] Re: Libfaac not LGPL

2011-03-10 Thread Kees Cook
** Changed in: ubuntu-community
   Status: New = Fix Released

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Re: [Bug 374900] Re: Libfaac not LGPL

2011-02-26 Thread Reinhard Tartler
This explanation makes sense to me, thanks for working on it!

Unfortunately, this won't help with bug #412063, but that's life.

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[Bug 374900] Re: Libfaac not LGPL

2011-02-22 Thread Matt Zimmerman
Based on discussion in today's Technical Board meeting, and the content
of this bug, we understand the root issue to be, in summary:

There appears to be code in libfaac which (as an exception to the
prevailing license) is more restrictive than LGPL.

Accordingly, the following actions should be taken with respect to
libfaac:

- Its copyright file should be updated to accurately reflect the applicable 
license(s). Currently, it states that the whole thing is *GPL*(!)
- This makes it GPL-incompatible, so it should be treated as such (no derived 
works including GPL code)
- It can stay in multiverse

If we've misunderstood or overlooked some part of the issue, please let
us know.

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[Bug 374900] Re: Libfaac not LGPL

2010-11-12 Thread Reinhard Tartler
subscribing the tech board to this bug. It seems the archive
administrators still wait on confirmation/input.

Any status update? Should this package be promoted to universe or
removed from the archive?

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[Bug 374900] Re: Libfaac not LGPL

2010-11-12 Thread Matt Zimmerman
** Also affects: ubuntu-community
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Changed in: ubuntu-community
 Assignee: (unassigned) = Ubuntu Technical Board (techboard)

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[Bug 374900] Re: Libfaac not LGPL

2010-05-28 Thread Reinhard Tartler
@archive-admins: Can you please give a status update on this bug?

AFAIUI, this package should either be removed or promoted to universe.
multiverse is clearly the wrong place for this, as we the problems are
redistributability matters, not licensing. If I got this wrong, please
correct me.

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Re: [Bug 374900] Re: Libfaac not LGPL

2010-05-28 Thread James Westby
On Fri, 28 May 2010 06:01:30 -, Reinhard Tartler siret...@tauware.de 
wrote:
 @archive-admins: Can you please give a status update on this bug?

The techboard deemed the packages suitable for release with lucid.

 AFAIUI, this package should either be removed or promoted to universe.
 multiverse is clearly the wrong place for this, as we the problems are
 redistributability matters, not licensing. If I got this wrong, please
 correct me.

I expect this means they would be happy with this then, but we might
want to confirm that with them.

Thanks,

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[Bug 374900] Re: Libfaac not LGPL

2010-04-29 Thread Andres Mejia
Reinhard,

I looked at the current ffmpeg tree and found that the aacenc can now be 
enabled.
http://git.ffmpeg.org/?p=ffmpeg;a=blob;f=libavcodec/Makefile

Would it be possible to backport this to the the 0.5 branch (and thus
patch current Debian/Ubuntu packages accordingly) or do users have to
wait for ffmpeg-0.6?

I would be willing to help with backporting of this feature if desired.

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[Bug 374900] Re: Libfaac not LGPL

2010-04-27 Thread Chrisfu
Perhaps the interim solution to this is to have an additional,
alternative ffmpeg package that is automatically built upon
installation, eg. make-ffmpeg-nonfree-package.  It works for Google
Earth.

Although it's a slightly clunky way of solving the issue, and there are
many build dependancies, it'll keep the functionality in Ubuntu without
infringing anyone's I.P., or confusing folk that tend to shy away from
getting their hands dirty in the console.

Any thoughts?

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[Bug 374900] Re: Libfaac not LGPL

2010-04-27 Thread J.M. Peng Hardin
I'd love that option, Chrisfu. I'd be glad for anything that can make
getting the nonfree ffmpeg codecs available to me.

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Re: [Bug 374900] Re: Libfaac not LGPL

2010-04-27 Thread Savvas Radevic
 Although it's a slightly clunky way of solving the issue, and there are
 many build dependancies, it'll keep the functionality in Ubuntu

Why not just contact medibuntu and ask for a binary distribution with
all the non-free license-arguable extras? I think that they already
have packages of disputable/non-free redistribution licenses.

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[Bug 374900] Re: Libfaac not LGPL

2010-04-04 Thread Hans
Maybe I misunderstand it, but who knows if it a license conflict for sure? 
Nobody here seems to know it.
And are it valid in the rest of the world outside japan and USA?

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[Bug 374900] Re: Libfaac not LGPL

2010-04-04 Thread Hans
As you can see here it are different in different countries in this matter:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_patent#United_States
So before you remove anything is better to be 100% sure.

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Re: [Bug 374900] Re: Libfaac not LGPL

2010-04-04 Thread Savvas Radevic
Hans, software patent and software license are NOT the same.
Read the post above yours by James :)

On 4/4/10, Hans henrik_nerg...@hotmail.com wrote:
 As you can see here it are different in different countries in this matter:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_patent#United_States
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[Bug 374900] Re: Libfaac not LGPL

2010-04-04 Thread john Alatalo
This things are not easy. But I think it not Ubuntu developers job to make 
Ubuntu difficult to the ordinary PC user and helping Microsoft to find out 
everything for them.
If this bug report was not written had anyone ever noticed and think about it 
at all? And as Hans told maybe it are only valid in USA and Japan anyway. So 
why let the rest of the world suffer?

United Kingdom patent law is interpreted to have the same effect as the
European Patent Convention such that programs for computers are
excluded from patentability to the extent that a patent application
relates to a computer program as such. Current case law in the UK
states that an (alleged) invention will only be actually regarded as an
invention if it provides a contribution that is not excluded and which
is also technical. A computer program implementing a business process is
therefore not an invention, but a computer program implementing an
industrial process may well be.


Canonical are in UK so I think they would go under laws from UK to.

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[Bug 374900] Re: Libfaac not LGPL

2010-04-04 Thread john Alatalo
There are differents  approaches in licenses to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_licence#Software_licenses_and_copyright_law

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[Bug 374900] Re: Libfaac not LGPL

2010-04-03 Thread Hans
If you remove all codecs you just forcing people to go over to Linux Mint, who 
works out of the box:
http://www.linuxmint.com/download.php

Why not do a special Ubuntu for USA and Japan and then the rest of the
world can use a Ubuntu with all mediacodecs like Mint doing?After all
most countries have different laws about this matter.

Pardus have also all mediacodecs included from the box:
http://www.pardus.org.tr/eng/

My point is do not  things to difficult if you want Ubuntu to be the leading 
Linux distro in the future to.
Most Linux user have there eyes open for alternative and can change very 
quickly if necessary.

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Re: [Bug 374900] Re: Libfaac not LGPL

2010-04-03 Thread James Westby
On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 07:58:20 -, Hans henrik_nerg...@hotmail.com wrote:
 If you remove all codecs you just forcing people to go over to Linux Mint, 
 who works out of the box:
 http://www.linuxmint.com/download.php
 
 Why not do a special Ubuntu for USA and Japan and then the rest of the
 world can use a Ubuntu with all mediacodecs like Mint doing?After all
 most countries have different laws about this matter.

This is not an issue of patents or anything like that. This is a license
conflict issue, meaning that the binaries produced from this source
package are believed to be not legally redistributable. That is believed
to apply regardless of the jurisdiction as it is concerned with
copyright and license law, and not patents.

You are welcome to have your views on what Ubuntu should do for the
benefit of its users, but please make sure you understand the issue at
hand when commenting on a particular bug report.

Thanks,

James

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[Bug 374900] Re: Libfaac not LGPL

2010-04-01 Thread Onkar Shinde
Do we have an agreement here that libfaac is getting removed from 10.04?
If yes then I will upload new revision of gst-plugins-bad-multiverse0.10
with libfaac-dev build-dep removed.

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Re: [Bug 374900] Re: Libfaac not LGPL

2010-03-30 Thread Reinhard Tartler
nearly all of them only use aac optionally and can be fixed to not build
aganst libfaac.

removing faac will annoy our users pretty badly, since it is the most
common way to create AAC audio. I hope that removing it will motivate
(more) people to contribute to ffaac, ffmpeg's internal AAC encoder,
which still lacks some features only libfaac has.

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[Bug 374900] Re: Libfaac not LGPL

2010-03-30 Thread Savvas Radevic
Is the internal codec, ffaac, going to be included with 10.04 ffmpeg? I
mean, is there going to an alternative solution provided?

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[Bug 374900] Re: Libfaac not LGPL

2010-03-30 Thread Savvas Radevic
 with 10.04 ffmpeg
I mean with ubuntu 10.04 ffmpeg package

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Re: [Bug 374900] Re: Libfaac not LGPL

2010-03-30 Thread Reinhard Tartler
10.04 will ship ffmpeg 0.5, which does not include an aac encoder.

if libfaac is removed, ubuntu 10.04 will not contain any useable AAC
encoder.

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Re: [Bug 374900] Re: Libfaac not LGPL

2010-03-30 Thread Jim Louvau
Yes! Great idea! Lets forget all about it just works. Lets
annoy/piss-off/confuse/break hundreds if not thousands of unaware end-users
by including, without knowledge or consent, into our little battle to
further our cause. Thank you for for deciding that we should all be part of
some little pissing contest. We will be ever so grateful that the wonderful,
all knowing and all seeing developers deigned to include all of us in
their holy war. Ooohhh lucky us!

Sorry, but the lets piss off all of the users to further our agenda
attitude is intolerably arrogant at best and most certainly isn't a
solution.

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 2:34 AM, Reinhard Tartler
siret...@tauware.dewrote:

 nearly all of them only use aac optionally and can be fixed to not build
 aganst libfaac.

 removing faac will annoy our users pretty badly, since it is the most
 common way to create AAC audio. I hope that removing it will motivate
 (more) people to contribute to ffaac, ffmpeg's internal AAC encoder,
 which still lacks some features only libfaac has.

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[Bug 374900] Re: Libfaac not LGPL

2010-03-30 Thread Tom Wright
Just to check, is everyone in agreement that in order to remove libfaac,
the ffmpeg decoder would have to be included? Otherwise I predict some
pretty serious fallout.

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Re: [Bug 374900] Re: Libfaac not LGPL

2010-03-30 Thread Reinhard Tartler
Tom, libfaac is a pure encoder. This has nothing to do with libfaad,
which is an decoder for which I'm not aware of licensing issues so far.

libfaac on the other hand...

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Re: [Bug 374900] Re: Libfaac not LGPL

2010-03-30 Thread Savvas Radevic
 Just to check, is everyone in agreement that in order to remove libfaac,
 the ffmpeg decoder would have to be included? Otherwise I predict some
 pretty serious fallout.

I bet the answer would be maybe as a backport. :)

@Jim, the unaware end-users (like you and me) have been informed:
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/aac-codec-to-be-removed-from-ubuntu.html

As much as I hate it, it's a fact that there are 2+ licenses on
libfaac that make the software/package not distributable. It's also a
fact that end-users are now aware of the problematic license and will
either seek out a solution with nero[1] or wait for ffmpeg to roll out
a better open source alternative.

Mind you, while AAC encoding might not be available, AAC decoding
(playing aac files) will work (correct me if I'm wrong), since libfaad
is a different piece of software.

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Re: [Bug 374900] Re: Libfaac not LGPL

2010-03-30 Thread Savvas Radevic
 either seek out a solution with nero[1] [...]

[1] http://www.nero.com/enu/technologies-aac-codec.html

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[Bug 374900] Re: Libfaac not LGPL

2010-03-30 Thread Demetris Terlikas
Ohh yeah and it's free one too.

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[Bug 374900] Re: Libfaac not LGPL

2010-03-29 Thread James Westby
So, by my reading this makes libfaac undistributable, due to the conflict 
between
the LGPL and this license, as well as possible ambiguity as to whether we would
even be able to use the code under the original license (do we claim[...] 
conformance
to the MPEG-2 NBC/ MPEG-4 Audio standards?)

Therefore it looks to me as though this package should not even be in
multiverse.

I'm not going to act on this until we have consensus between ubuntu-archive and
Reinhard though.

There are a few packages that would be impacted by its removal:

  divxenc
  h264enc
  ripit
  avidemux-plugins-common
  gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse
  mencoder
  mplayer
  mplayer-gui 
  ogmrip
  xvidenc

Thanks,

James

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[Bug 374900] Re: Libfaac not LGPL

2010-01-30 Thread Reinhard Tartler
another license review on the ffmpeg mailing list:

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.video.ffmpeg.devel/103514

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Re: [Bug 374900] Re: Libfaac not LGPL

2009-12-06 Thread Paul Gevers
 For the impatient, add the following line to your medibuntu repo list.

 deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ karmic-staging free non-free

And ONLY for the impatient. You should be willing to test if nothing
breaks and report back if it does. Otherwise wait one week and use
karmic instead of karmic-staging.

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[Bug 374900] Re: Libfaac not LGPL

2009-12-05 Thread Gilbert Mendoza
Lionel Le Folgoc made this comment, and submitted a number of libavcodec
packages that include faac support.

https://bugs.launchpad.net/medibuntu/+bug/490227/comments/1

For the impatient, add the following line to your medibuntu repo list.

deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ karmic-staging free non-free

Already tested.  Works great.

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Re: [Bug 374900] Re: Libfaac not LGPL

2009-11-30 Thread Paul Gevers
Soos Gergely wrote:
 I already waited almost one full month; if I have to wait
 God knows how much more time can at least someone explain to me in
 layman's terms why isn't there a medibuntu package?

I would say this part is easy. Probably because nobody has requested the
 Medibuntu maintainers to make one. I just submitted a wish-list bug
490227 for Medibuntu. Lets see if they can help.

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[Bug 374900] Re: Libfaac not LGPL

2009-11-30 Thread Soos Gergely
Thank you very much Paul, I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

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[Bug 374900] Re: Libfaac not LGPL

2009-11-30 Thread Reinhard Tartler
subscribing ubuntu archive administrators:

could you please review the legal status of the faac package?

In the meantime I've found this statement on the upstream homepage:
http://www.audiocoding.com/faac.html

quote
FAAC is based on the original ISO MPEG reference code. The changes to this code 
are licensed under the LGPL license. The original license is not compatible 
with the LGPL, please be aware of this when using FAAC. The original license 
text can be found in the README file included in the download package.
/quote

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[Bug 374900] Re: Libfaac not LGPL

2009-11-29 Thread Soos Gergely
Is anyone paying attention to this issue anymore?
As I already mentioned in bug 412063 I would need the aac because the only 
other alternative audio codec my phone supports is amr which delivers 
unacceptable audio quality.
Maybe I'm too dumb but I can't understand why can't there be an ffmpeg in 
Medibuntu that uses faac. Isn't the purpose of medibuntu to transfer the legal 
responsibility to whoever uses it? I already waited almost one full month; if I 
have to wait God knows how much more time can at least someone explain to me in 
layman's terms why isn't there a medibuntu package?

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[Bug 374900] Re: Libfaac not LGPL

2009-11-18 Thread Wes Garner
I wanted to do a bump on this to see if Upstream has taken any look at
this. Who are we to assign this to for someone to look at it?

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[Bug 374900] Re: Libfaac not LGPL

2009-11-16 Thread markhaven
This is complete and utter nonesense.  The referred code needs to be re-
instigated immediately. If the alleged IP owners ask for it to be
removed then it should be.. otherwise, why is it being pre-emptively
censored and on who's authority?

Even if patent/copyright exists - there are hundreds of implementations
of this particular code in numerous open source applications. The
supposed owners have made no recorded attempt to restrict use of AAC and
other codecs for the last 12 years. In addition, the MP3 and AAC codecs
pre-date the statement by a considerable time.  All very mysterious

Anyone can claim they own the copyright to some code - have they
provided proof which has been independently validated?

Either way, this appears an obvious attempt to cripple ubuntu and
devalue Linux as a tool for media transcoding...  An investigation of
who is behind these claims would be interesting...

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[Bug 374900] Re: Libfaac not LGPL

2009-08-12 Thread Wes Garner
Just an example of an attempt to use libfaac with ffmpeg:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412063

Please help us sort this out, so this will be available for Ubuntu users.
Depending on the actual outcome for the LGPL licensing, shouldn't this at least 
be set up for people using non-free (ex Medibuntu packages) codecs

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[Bug 374900] Re: Libfaac not LGPL

2009-07-08 Thread Reinhard Tartler

Affected files:
 - libfaac/bitstream.c
 - libfaac/tns.c
 - libfaac/tns.h


copyright notice:
This software module was originally developed by
and edited by Texas Instruments in the course of
development of the MPEG-2 NBC/MPEG-4 Audio standard
ISO/IEC 13818-7, 14496-1,2 and 3. This software module is an
implementation of a part of one or more MPEG-2 NBC/MPEG-4 Audio tools
as specified by the MPEG-2 NBC/MPEG-4 Audio standard. ISO/IEC gives
users of the MPEG-2 NBC/MPEG-4 Audio standards free license to this
software module or modifications thereof for use in hardware or
software products claiming conformance to the MPEG-2 NBC/ MPEG-4 Audio
standards. Those intending to use this software module in hardware or
software products are advised that this use may infringe existing
patents. The original developer of this software module and his/her
company, the subsequent editors and their companies, and ISO/IEC have
no liability for use of this software module or modifications thereof
in an implementation. Copyright is not released for non MPEG-2
NBC/MPEG-4 Audio conforming products. The original developer retains
full right to use the code for his/her own purpose, assign or donate
the code to a third party and to inhibit third party from using the
code for non MPEG-2 NBC/MPEG-4 Audio conforming products. This
copyright notice must be included in all copies or derivative works.

Copyright (c) 1997.


** Changed in: faac (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided = High

** Changed in: faac (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Triaged

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