[Bug 42178] Re: apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic
According to the first comment (bug #42178#bug-branches-container) I see synaptic was changed to use /var/lib/synaptic/preferences instead of the global preferences file /etc/apt/preferences to make it less confusing. However, I think synaptic is actually much more confusing because of that change! It confsued me, and I wasted time trying to deal with it and filing bug #1166568. I agree with what Daniel Hartwig wrote in comment #27. I too would like to see the 2004 change reverted, so that synaptic uses the global preferences file in future. It seems better and more logical to do it that way. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/42178 Title: apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/synaptic/+bug/42178/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 42178] Re: apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic
On 31 May 2013 15:46, B Bobo 42...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: According to the first comment (bug #42178#bug-branches-container) I see synaptic was changed to use /var/lib/synaptic/preferences instead of the global preferences file /etc/apt/preferences to make it less confusing. However, I think synaptic is actually much more confusing because of that change! It confsued me, and I wasted time trying to deal with it and filing bug #1166568. I agree with what Daniel Hartwig wrote in comment #27. I too would like to see the 2004 change reverted, so that synaptic uses the global preferences file in future. It seems better and more logical to do it that way. Actually this would not be reverting that change. Synaptic uses the apt-preferences system, and the referenced change only concerns which file stored those. Preferences is not ideal for holding packages, so we will change synaptic to use the dpkg holds system which is available to all dpkg and apt tools. This would be an interesting task for someone who wants to learn apt/synaptic development. Otherwise I will tackle it shortly as it is important to have all these tools using the same system for holds. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/42178 Title: apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/synaptic/+bug/42178/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 42178] Re: apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic
Aptitude also has private holds that apt is unaware of, and receives a lot of bugs about this issue. Based on the large number of reports over the years, has the time come to update aptitude and synaptic to use these global apt holds? Michael, I am glad to take on this task in synaptic also, if you are open to it. Does synaptic use pinning for this feature because APT was unaware of /var/lib/dpkg/status holds at the time you implemented it? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/42178 Title: apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/synaptic/+bug/42178/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 42178] Re: apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic
This is very confusing. It is not clearly mentioned that locking a package in Synaptic does not lock it in dpkg. How to properly lock/freeze/hold a package: echo package-name hold | dpkg --set-selection How to release a package for updates: echo package-name install | dpkg --set-selection Why can synaptic not simply invoke the same interface? Is it because it locks the package database? And if so, then I think Synaptic should be liable to also lock packages properly. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/42178 Title: apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/synaptic/+bug/42178/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 42178] Re: apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic
Not to mention this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto#Synaptic -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/42178 Title: apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/synaptic/+bug/42178/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 42178] Re: apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic
I was about to report a new bug and found a couple of similar ones here: As there's a plethora of Firefox's upgrades nowadays (and of Thunderbird's of course) I've locked a version within my Synaptic. I expected the version being locked would not be upgraded without my explicit action. However, I got my FF 8 upgraded to FF 9 when I run sudo apt-get upgrade/update. What's wrong? Does Synaptic lock packages on its own and the lower-level apps do not know about it? PS 10.04 LTS - the Lucid Lynx Linux ... 2.6.32-37-generic-pae #81-Ubuntu SMP Fri Dec 2 22:24:22 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux GNOME gnome-about 2.30.2 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/42178 Title: apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/synaptic/+bug/42178/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 42178] Re: apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic
FWIW the last few posts confirm this could cause loss of work via unintended or unwanted action on a part of Ubuntu, yet it's been demoted in priority. This isn't a cosmetic or fluff issue, it relates to a fundamental concept that is flawed; intentionally protecting something by marking pinned it is ignored by the program in question. Can this priority be elevated or at least reviewed? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/42178 Title: apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/synaptic/+bug/42178/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 42178] Re: apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic
this recently made a bit of a mess on a new install (i add natty repos, pin at 50, then pull firefox from natty) where the file sharing dialogue and some other auto-foo installed natty packages, ignoring /etc/preferences.d/*, aptitude just got a patch to finally heed preferences.d in the natty cycle, it would be sweet to put this one to bed too make synaptic read /etc/preferences.d/* and write its local changes to /etc/preferences.d/synaptic-pins or something -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/42178 Title: apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 42178] Re: apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic
** Changed in: synaptic (Ubuntu) Assignee: Michael Vogt (mvo) = (unassigned) ** Changed in: synaptic (Ubuntu) Importance: Medium = Low -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/42178 Title: apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 42178] Re: apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic
Still broken in Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick). The partial Jonathon`s workaround (above) still working: $ sudo rm /var/lib/synaptic/preferences $ sudo ln -s /etc/apt/preferences /var/lib/synaptic/preferences I got an unexpect server error this morning (openerp server freezes, and about ten people stop working) because my colegue administrator updates de server using apt-upgrade after I locked packages in Synaptic... For me this is a bug, not a feature. Everbody treat Synaptic as GUI for apt. -- apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/42178 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 42178] Re: apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic
Also (or related), Recovery Console's, Fix Broken Packages also ignores any Pinned packages. For example: I have Avidemux 2.4.4 Pinned in Synaptic to not upgrade, but this tool (in recovery menu) ignores that and automatically assigns the upgrade to Avidemux. Since there are no options to select or deselect, this renders the entire tool unusable in this case. -- apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/42178 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 42178] Re: apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic
Still broken in Lucid. Workaround is only partial as it ignores /etc/apt/preferences.d/ in favour of the plain /etc/apt/preferences: $ sudo rm /var/lib/synaptic/preferences $ sudo ln -s /etc/apt/preferences /var/lib/synaptic/preferences (might need to $ sudo touch /etc/apt/preferences if it doesn't already exist) -- apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/42178 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 42178] Re: apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic
I have used aptitude to pin the packages I don't want changed whenever an Upgrade notice appears in the Update Manager - I hope that this stops my packages from being forcefully updated by this method. -- apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/42178 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 42178] Re: apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic
** Tags added: pinning -- apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/42178 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 42178] Re: apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic
still broken in kamic. Follow instructions above to reproduce -- apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/42178 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 42178] Re: apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic
Still broken ni Jaunty. Easy to reproduce. -- apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/42178 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 42178] Re: apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic
Still broken in Intrepid 8.10 .. -- apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/42178 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 42178] Re: apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic
Bug confirmed and reproduceable in Hardy 8.04.1 -- apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/42178 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 42178] Re: apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic
** Changed in: synaptic (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = Triaged -- apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/42178 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 42178] Re: apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic
still exists in 8.04 -- apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/42178 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 42178] Re: apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic
** Changed in: synaptic (Ubuntu) Status: Needs Info = Confirmed -- apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/42178 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 42178] Re: apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic
Yes it is. -- apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/42178 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 42178] Re: apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic
Is this still a problem in 7.04 (and now that bug #67146 is fixed)? ** Changed in: synaptic (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = Needs Info -- apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/42178 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 42178] Re: apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic
** Changed in: synaptic (upstream) Importance: Unknown = Undecided -- apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic https://launchpad.net/bugs/42178 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 42178] Re: apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic
** Changed in: synaptic (upstream) Importance: Medium = Unknown Status: Confirmed = Unconfirmed -- apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic https://launchpad.net/bugs/42178 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 42178] Re: apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic
** Changed in: synaptic (upstream) Importance: Unknown = Undecided Status: Unconfirmed = Confirmed ** Changed in: synaptic (upstream) Importance: Undecided = Medium -- apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic https://launchpad.net/bugs/42178 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 42178] Re: apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic
still not working with the newest patched build of synaptics from : https://launchpad.net/bugs/67146 -- apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic https://launchpad.net/bugs/42178 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 42178] Re: apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic
** Changed in: synaptic (upstream) Status: Unknown = Unconfirmed -- apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic https://launchpad.net/bugs/42178 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 42178] Re: apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic
** Bug watch added: Debian Bug tracker #276655 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=276655 ** Also affects: synaptic (upstream) via http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=276655 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown -- apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic https://launchpad.net/bugs/42178 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 42178] Re: apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic
I think this is solved to _some degree_ in Dapper (I don't have the workaround symlink). I have gaim (2beta) pinned via synaptic and apt doesn't suggest to upgrade them... now the problem is, before I was posting this message, I unpinned the packages via synaptic, closed synaptic, issued apt-get update and: ~$ sudo apt-get -s upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done The following packages have been kept back: gaim 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. now apt won't upgrade it :) -- apt-get doesn't use the same pinning as synaptic https://launchpad.net/bugs/42178 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
