[Bug 423718] Re: Use Packagekit instead of gnome-app-install.
There is a good discussion going on with upstream right now, I hope we can resolve the issue and use PK in the future. I doubt that we can do it for 9.10, time is running out. -- Use Packagekit instead of gnome-app-install. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/423718 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 423718] Re: Use Packagekit instead of gnome-app-install.
I'm closing this report as Invalid, for several reasons. It is factually incorrect: the Ubuntu Software Store is not based on/us[ing] ... gnome- app-install. It doesn't describe any specific problem with the Store. It doesn't even describe any specific advantage to PackageKit. (I hope I don't have to explain why strong support in Ubuntu Brainstorm doesn't count.) And the claim that If for whatever reason this software failed and we were to go to PK ... then using PK now would make things so much easier for a transition is such a magnificent example of assuming the question that it makes my head hurt. That's exactly like reporting a bug on Chromium that it should use Gecko instead of WebKit just in case WebKit fails. These would be examples of useful bug reports, if they were valid: * Store is X% slower than packagekit-gnome at installing package Y * Store can't present EULAs appropriately * debconf prompts can't be localized None of this means, or should be interpreted as meaning, that Ubuntu won't use PackageKit for anything. It's quite possible that we will. It's even possible that a future version of the Store would use PackageKit instead of Aptdaemon. But those decisions will be based on specific problems and use cases, not handwaving and scaremongering about obsolete code. If you want to see the Store use PackageKit, I suggest that you help to resolve the conflict between PackageKit and debconf, which is currently being discussed on the PackageKit mailing list. It might involve changing the PackageKit API, changing debconf, or both, but either way, this bug report is not a useful place for that discussion. ** Changed in: software-store (Ubuntu) Status: Incomplete = Invalid -- Use Packagekit instead of gnome-app-install. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/423718 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 423718] Re: Use Packagekit instead of gnome-app-install.
Well the Wiki says/used to say that it was to be based on gnome-app- install and i only recently learnt that it would use aptdaemon. Also anyone that has been following/reading up and using Packagekit will already know the technical advantages PK bring to the table and the non- technical uses of it which is why i didnt really go into that and it wouldnt be fair to do any comparisons with Software Store at this point. -- Use Packagekit instead of gnome-app-install. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/423718 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 423718] Re: Use Packagekit instead of gnome-app-install.
We would love to use packagekit, but it does not support debconf or conffile prompting. We attempted to contribute those missing features and unfortunately they were not accepted on the ground that a packagekit transaction can not be interrupted (for something like debconf or conffile handling). This is a important feature for us and without it, e.g. sun-java packages do not install. That isn't true at all. Nobody from Ubuntu tried to contribute the missing functionality, but quite a few people insisted I wrote code to connect a VTE widget to the transaction which is very different to what actually needs to be done. Transactions can already be stopped and re-started with different options (see http://www.packagekit.org/gtk-doc/introduction-ideas- transactions.html#introduction-ideas-transactions-sig-install for how all this works) and questions can be put to the user. We already do that for EULAs, GPG keys and extended authentication prompts. We already use the EULA prompts in SUSE, and GPG prompts in Fedora. I'm just not letting a random script ask the user random non-localised questions. I am happy to add any number of abstract questions, as long as they are written in a nice way that other distributions can use. So what i would like to know is, if this may may be possible in a future release of PK or what? Sure, it just needs someone from Ubuntu to contribute the code. I guess it's harder contributing to a shared project than just writing _yet_another_ frontend to apt, but I guess that's the Ubuntu way. I don't want to seem like I'm bashing Ubuntu, as I think it's a great product, just the transparency and upstream ethos still needs quite a lot of work. In a few years time I hope you guys will realize that trying to be the one upstream source for all of the Linux desktop is impossible, and then hopefully will start working with other distributions in public. For what it's worth, Sebastian Heinlein has been doing a great job supporting the apt backend for PackageKit, but the reception PackageKit is getting in Ubuntu (especially for the integration points) is distinctly lukewarm. We need someone interested in this to actually write some code, rather than just decide it's too hard and run away and write more code that will be obsolete (in my opinion) in a few years anyway. If anyone actually wants to implement this, I've written quite a lot about it on the mailing lists, or I would happy to discuss things in person, on a conf call, or even on IRC. Thanks, Richard. -- Use Packagekit instead of gnome-app-install. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/423718 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 423718] Re: Use Packagekit instead of gnome-app-install.
Thank you much for your response Richard, here and in the mailing list. ** Changed in: software-store (Ubuntu) Status: Won't Fix = Incomplete -- Use Packagekit instead of gnome-app-install. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/423718 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 423718] Re: Use Packagekit instead of gnome-app-install.
Thank you for the kind explanation Michael. Is this issue something that could be resolved in the future so that perhaps PK could be used? -- Use Packagekit instead of gnome-app-install. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/423718 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 423718] Re: Use Packagekit instead of gnome-app-install.
Thanks for your bugreport. We would love to use packagekit, but it does not support debconf or conffile prompting. We attempted to contribute those missing features and unfortunately they were not accepted on the ground that a packagekit transaction can not be interrupted (for something like debconf or conffile handling). This is a important feature for us and without it, e.g. sun-java packages do not install. ** Changed in: software-store (Ubuntu) Status: New = Won't Fix -- Use Packagekit instead of gnome-app-install. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/423718 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
