[Bug 425280] Re: kpackagekit waxes all Internet bandwidth until reboot

2010-11-10 Thread Matthias Klumpp
** Changed in: packagekit (Ubuntu)
   Status: Incomplete = Opinion

** Changed in: packagekit (Ubuntu)
   Status: Opinion = Incomplete

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Re: [Bug 425280] Re: kpackagekit waxes all Internet bandwidth until reboot

2010-11-10 Thread seasoned_geek
I lost hope of it getting fixed long ago.

The TOTAL FAILURE line was accurate.  It was my sincere hope this train wreck 
would be abandoned and we could get back to software that worked.

On Tuesday, November 09, 2010 09:09:07 pm you wrote:
 Well current PackageKit can't be backported to Kubuntu 10.04.
 The current backend is pretty different from the one used in 10.04.
 So please instead of blaming the software test the new version.
 
 If you DO develop software from the last 25 years you should know by now
 that developing such a generic software is by no means a simple thing,
 Yes it has it's problems but we are working on it.
 
 Also before you start saying that this project is a TOTAL FAILURE you
 should consider that saing this things on launchpad won't always fix
 software, this bug was reported more than one year ago, and I
 (KPackageKit and aptcc author) just saw it now since I switched from
 Debian to Kubuntu.

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Re: [Bug 425280] Re: kpackagekit waxes all Internet bandwidth until reboot

2010-11-10 Thread seasoned_geek
It was not opinion.  The problem was verified by others and still exists in the 
LTS release.

On Wednesday, November 10, 2010 06:30:51 am you wrote:
 ** Changed in: packagekit (Ubuntu)
Status: Incomplete = Opinion
 
 ** Changed in: packagekit (Ubuntu)
Status: Opinion = Incomplete

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[Bug 425280] Re: kpackagekit waxes all Internet bandwidth until reboot

2010-11-10 Thread Matthias Klumpp
** Tags added: lucid

** Summary changed:

- kpackagekit waxes all Internet bandwidth until reboot
+ [lucid] kpackagekit waxes all Internet bandwidth until reboot

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[Bug 425280] Re: kpackagekit waxes all Internet bandwidth until reboot

2010-11-09 Thread Daniel Nicoletti
Well current PackageKit can't be backported to Kubuntu 10.04.
The current backend is pretty different from the one used in 10.04.
So please instead of blaming the software test the new version.

If you DO develop software from the last 25 years you should know by now
that developing such a generic software is by no means a simple thing,
Yes it has it's problems but we are working on it.

Also before you start saying that this project is a TOTAL FAILURE you
should consider that saing this things on launchpad won't always fix
software, this bug was reported more than one year ago, and I
(KPackageKit and aptcc author) just saw it now since I switched from
Debian to Kubuntu.

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[Bug 425280] Re: kpackagekit waxes all Internet bandwidth until reboot

2010-11-01 Thread Matthias Klumpp
See http://packagekit.org/pk-intro.html and watch the video for detailed
information about PK :)

 Open this worthless product. Click on Development Packages. Click on Anjuta 
 IDE. Do you see a download size presented? No.
Actually: Yes

 This project is a COMPLETE and TOTAL failure. It meets only the me too
 developer needs who happen to have a limitless cable connection and does not
 even begin to address the needs of the average user
For exactly this reason we have bugreports. If you think something's wron with 
a software, you can ask for a fix, like you did two times for KPK and for PK. 
PK was developed to offer applications access to package management features 
without knowing which package manager is running exactly in background, which 
offers some great new possibilities which for sure address the needs of average 
users (automatic codec/font/mime/driver/plugin installation and much more)

This bugreport will expire in about 50 days. You should be glad someone
worked on this issue and provided a fix for it, so you can now try the
new functionality. If it works: Good. If not: We will wok on that. If
PK uses all available bandwidth this indeed is a serious issue, which
has to be fixed.

(Btw: It was absolutely not decision to satisfy a me too programmer.
Read some more about PK and you'll understand why.)

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Re: [Bug 425280] Re: kpackagekit waxes all Internet bandwidth until reboot

2010-11-01 Thread seasoned_geek
On Monday, November 01, 2010 05:41:08 am you wrote:
 See http://packagekit.org/pk-intro.html and watch the video for detailed
 information about PK :)
 
  Open this worthless product. Click on Development Packages. Click on
  Anjuta IDE. Do you see a download size presented? No.
 
 Actually: Yes

Well I don't using 64-bit AMD KUbuntu 10.04, and neither does anybody else 
I've talked with.

 
  This project is a COMPLETE and TOTAL failure. It meets only the me too
  developer needs who happen to have a limitless cable connection and does
  not even begin to address the needs of the average user
 
 For exactly this reason we have bugreports. If you think something's wron
 with a software, you can ask for a fix, like you did two times for KPK and
 for PK. PK was developed to offer applications access to package
 management features without knowing which package manager is running
 exactly in background, which offers some great new possibilities which for
 sure address the needs of average users (automatic
 codec/font/mime/driver/plugin installation and much more)
 
 This bugreport will expire in about 50 days. You should be glad someone
 worked on this issue and provided a fix for it, so you can now try the
 new functionality. If it works: Good. If not: We will wok on that. If
 PK uses all available bandwidth this indeed is a serious issue, which
 has to be fixed.
 
 (Btw: It was absolutely not decision to satisfy a me too programmer.
 Read some more about PK and you'll understand why.)

It absolutely was a me too programmer decision.  There was absolutely no 
reason to replace synaptic and even less reason to remove the previous update 
manager WHICH ALSO SHOWED A USER THE SIZE OF EACH DOWNLOAD PRIOR TO COSTING 
THEM OVER $1000 IN BANDWIDTH OVERAGES.


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[Bug 425280] Re: kpackagekit waxes all Internet bandwidth until reboot

2010-11-01 Thread Matthias Klumpp
 Well I don't using 64-bit AMD KUbuntu 10.04
Then try Kubuntu 10.10 or a recent version of KPackageKit.

 reason to replace synaptic and even less reason to remove the previous update
manager WHICH ALSO SHOWED A USER THE SIZE OF EACH DOWNLOAD PRIOR TO COSTING
THEM OVER $1000 IN BANDWIDTH OVERAGES
Kubuntu used Adept, which had a lot of problems and was not under active 
development. The show download size issue is different from this one.
So, does Kubuntu Maverick still show the behavior you described above? Or does 
it not? (If not, this is a bug in the APT Python backend, which is not used in 
10.10)

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Re: [Bug 425280] Re: kpackagekit waxes all Internet bandwidth until reboot

2010-11-01 Thread seasoned_geek
On Monday, November 01, 2010 11:15:53 am you wrote:
  Well I don't using 64-bit AMD KUbuntu 10.04
 
 Then try Kubuntu 10.10 or a recent version of KPackageKit.
 
  reason to replace synaptic and even less reason to remove the previous
  update
 
 manager WHICH ALSO SHOWED A USER THE SIZE OF EACH DOWNLOAD PRIOR TO COSTING
 THEM OVER $1000 IN BANDWIDTH OVERAGES
 Kubuntu used Adept, which had a lot of problems and was not under active
 development. The show download size issue is different from this one.
 So, does Kubuntu Maverick still show the behavior you described above? Or
 does it not? (If not, this is a bug in the APT Python backend, which is
 not used in 10.10)

I have not seen it, but, the only time I use KPackagekit is when forced by the 
update manager since some rocket scientist removed the good update manager 
which actually told you sizes.

For a bug which is so important, two manager releases (one LTS) of KUbuntu 
have come up since it was reported.
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[Bug 425280] Re: kpackagekit waxes all Internet bandwidth until reboot

2010-10-31 Thread Matthias Klumpp
@seasoned_geek: If you don't even try to reproduce it, noone can really
fix this issue and PK will remain a pathetic product which it is in
your opinion. If you test it, many other users who use KPK will be happy
:)

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Re: [Bug 425280] Re: kpackagekit waxes all Internet bandwidth until reboot

2010-10-31 Thread seasoned_geek
After spending in excess of a year attempting to help improve KPackagekit it 
became aparent the inclusion of this product in any distribution was both 
misguided and ego driven.  It's a bug-ridden half-arsed attempt to replace 
Synaptic, which needed no improvement what-so-ever.  The developers of 
KPackagekit are too busy adding new features to actually fix the functionality. 
 
It has been two years and we are still blind as to how much will be downloaded 
at any one time.  YOU may have a limitless cable connection, but the rest of 
the world lives with either 120Meg/day or 5Gig/month limits.

On Sunday, October 31, 2010 09:20:13 am you wrote:
 @seasoned_geek: If you don't even try to reproduce it, noone can really
 fix this issue and PK will remain a pathetic product which it is in
 your opinion. If you test it, many other users who use KPK will be happy
 
 :)

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[Bug 425280] Re: kpackagekit waxes all Internet bandwidth until reboot

2010-10-31 Thread Matthias Klumpp
 [...] the inclusion of this product in any distribution was both misguided 
 and ego driven.
Ah, so you know all the reasons why KPackageKit was developed, you know what 
exactly PackageKit is and you know the decisions why PK/KPK was included into 
all distributions? I don't think so, otherwise you won't think the decision was 
misguided or ego-driven.

 It's a bug-ridden half-arsed attempt to replace Synaptic
It's not designed to replace Synaptic. KPK provides access to basic 
package-management features most users need and will ever need. If you need 
Synaptic, install it or try Muon.

 It has been two years and we are still blind as to how much will be 
 downloaded at any one time.
How do you mean? KPK provides information about the download speed and the 
package sizes.

I suggest you should give KPK on Maverick a try, so we can close this
bug report or work on a patch.

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Re: [Bug 425280] Re: kpackagekit waxes all Internet bandwidth until reboot

2010-10-31 Thread seasoned_geek
On Sunday, October 31, 2010 11:35:38 am you wrote:
  [...] the inclusion of this product in any distribution was both
  misguided and ego driven.
 
 Ah, so you know all the reasons why KPackageKit was developed, you know
 what exactly PackageKit is and you know the decisions why PK/KPK was
 included into all distributions? I don't think so, otherwise you won't
 think the decision was misguided or ego-driven.

I do know what the product is.  I've been doing software development for over 
25 years.  It's inclusion was misguided, ego driven, and WRONG.

 
  It's a bug-ridden half-arsed attempt to replace Synaptic
 
 It's not designed to replace Synaptic. KPK provides access to basic
 package-management features most users need and will ever need. If you
 need Synaptic, install it or try Muon.

It was designed to satisfy a me too programmer ego and it meets little to 
none of the needed functionality.
 
  It has been two years and we are still blind as to how much will be
  downloaded at any one time.
 
 How do you mean? KPK provides information about the download speed and the
 package sizes.

Open this worthless product.  Click on Development Packages.  Click on Anjuta 
IDE.  Do you see a download size presented?  No.  Click on Install.  Do you 
see a download size presented?  No.  Do you see a list of dependancy packages 
which have to be installed when you install this and their download sizes?  
No.  Click on Apply.  Do you get a final list with all the download sizes?  No. 
 
Even the details provided during the download are worthless.

This project is a COMPLETE and TOTAL failure.  It meets only the me too 
developer needs who happen to have a limitless cable connection and does not 
even begin to address the needs of the average user who has limited 
bandwidth either via dial-up, satellite, or wireless broadband which is  
2/3rds of all Internet users (and one of the main reasons you will find vzw 
in the address of most chat room users from the U.S.

 
 I suggest you should give KPK on Maverick a try, so we can close this
 bug report or work on a patch.

See above.

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[Bug 425280] Re: kpackagekit waxes all Internet bandwidth until reboot

2010-10-30 Thread Daniel Nicoletti
Sebastian that's not a good test in my opnion, refreshing caches does
not download large files which might eat all bandwidth, not counting if
the cache didn't change it won't download the files again, and it does
not download files in parallel like when downloading packages.

Can the reporter do the tests on Maverick which uses a different
backend.

Thanks.

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Re: [Bug 425280] Re: kpackagekit waxes all Internet bandwidth until reboot

2010-10-30 Thread seasoned_geek
I'm currently using 10.10, but KPackagekit is such a pathetic product I avoid 
it at ALL costs.  The first thing I install is Synaptec.  


On Saturday, October 30, 2010 12:45:36 pm you wrote:
 Sebastian that's not a good test in my opnion, refreshing caches does
 not download large files which might eat all bandwidth, not counting if
 the cache didn't change it won't download the files again, and it does
 not download files in parallel like when downloading packages.
 
 Can the reporter do the tests on Maverick which uses a different
 backend.
 
 Thanks.

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Re: [Bug 425280] Re: kpackagekit waxes all Internet bandwidth until reboot

2009-10-28 Thread Sebastian Heinlein
PackageKit uses Python APT to download and install packages. So
the script was test to exclude python-apt as a source of error.

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Re: [Bug 425280] Re: kpackagekit waxes all Internet bandwidth until reboot

2009-10-27 Thread Sebastian Heinlein
What happens during running the script? Is your Internet slow?

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Re: [Bug 425280] Re: kpackagekit waxes all Internet bandwidth until reboot

2009-10-27 Thread seasoned_geek
If you want me to DO something while a script is running, please don't just 
ask me to run the script.

No, not at all.  I can check email, look at Yahoo, etc. while the script is 
running.

The problem is KPackageKit.  I don't have the bandwidth issue when using 
Synaptic.

On Tuesday 27 October 2009 01:33:48 am Sebastian Heinlein wrote:
 What happens during running the script? Is your Internet slow?
 

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Re: [Bug 425280] Re: kpackagekit waxes all Internet bandwidth until reboot

2009-10-26 Thread seasoned_geek
I used to use Hughes.net satellite, but have recently switched to Verizon 
Wireless Broadband.

Same problem on both networks.

Don't know what this output will tell you, but it took quite a while to
run.

rol...@logikaldesktop:~/bandwidth$ cp ~/downloads/test-bandwith.py .

rol...@logikaldesktop:~/bandwidth$ sudo python test-bandwith.py 

Done http://mirror.anl.gov karmic Release.gpg   

Hit http://mirror.anl.gov karmic-updates Release.gpg

Hit http://mirror.anl.gov karmic-security Release.gpg   

Done http://deb.opera.com stable Release.gpg

Done http://deb.opera.com stable Release

Ignored http://deb.opera.com stable Release 

Failed http://deb.opera.com stable Release  

Done http://mirror.anl.gov karmic Release   

Hit http://mirror.anl.gov karmic-updates Release

Done http://mirror.anl.gov karmic Release   

Done http://mirror.anl.gov karmic-updates Release   

Hit http://mirror.anl.gov karmic-security Release   

Done http://mirror.anl.gov karmic-security Release  

Ignored http://deb.opera.com stable/non-free Packages   

Failed http://deb.opera.com stable/non-free Packages

Ignored http://deb.opera.com stable/non-free Packages
Failed http://deb.opera.com stable/non-free Packages
Hit http://deb.opera.com stable/non-free Packages
Done http://mirror.anl.gov karmic/main Packages
Done http://mirror.anl.gov karmic/restricted Packages
Done http://mirror.anl.gov karmic/main Packages
Done http://mirror.anl.gov karmic/restricted Packages
Done http://mirror.anl.gov karmic/main Sources
Done http://mirror.anl.gov karmic/restricted Sources
Done http://mirror.anl.gov karmic/main Sources
Done http://mirror.anl.gov karmic/restricted Sources
Done http://mirror.anl.gov karmic/universe Packages
Done http://mirror.anl.gov karmic/universe Packages
Done http://mirror.anl.gov karmic/universe Sources
Done http://mirror.anl.gov karmic/universe Sources
Done http://mirror.anl.gov karmic/multiverse Packages
Done http://mirror.anl.gov karmic/multiverse Packages
Done http://mirror.anl.gov karmic/multiverse Sources
Hit http://mirror.anl.gov karmic-updates/main Packages
Hit http://mirror.anl.gov karmic-updates/restricted Packages
Hit http://mirror.anl.gov karmic-updates/main Sources
Hit http://mirror.anl.gov karmic-updates/restricted Sources
Hit http://mirror.anl.gov karmic-updates/universe Packages
Hit http://mirror.anl.gov karmic-updates/universe Sources
Hit http://mirror.anl.gov karmic-updates/multiverse Packages
Hit http://mirror.anl.gov karmic-updates/multiverse Sources
Hit http://mirror.anl.gov karmic-security/main Packages
Done http://mirror.anl.gov karmic/multiverse Sources
Hit http://mirror.anl.gov karmic-security/restricted Packages
Hit http://mirror.anl.gov karmic-security/main Sources
Hit http://mirror.anl.gov karmic-security/restricted Sources
Hit http://mirror.anl.gov karmic-security/universe Packages
Hit http://mirror.anl.gov karmic-security/universe Sources
Hit http://mirror.anl.gov karmic-security/multiverse Packages
Hit http://mirror.anl.gov karmic-security/multiverse Sources
Done downloading


On Monday 26 October 2009 02:42:55 am Sebastian Heinlein wrote:
 What kind of Internet connection do you have? Are you using an
 analoge modem?
 
 Which server do you use?
 
 Could you please test the attached script, which performs a cache
 update, by running the following command in a Terminal/Konsole:
 
 sudo python test-bandwith.py
 
 Cheers,
 
 Sebastian
 
 
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Re: [Bug 425280] Re: kpackagekit waxes all Internet bandwidth until reboot

2009-10-26 Thread Sebastian Heinlein
What kind of Internet connection do you have? Are you using an
analoge modem?

Which server do you use?

Could you please test the attached script, which performs a cache
update, by running the following command in a Terminal/Konsole:

sudo python test-bandwith.py

Cheers,

Sebastian


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[Bug 425280] Re: kpackagekit waxes all Internet bandwidth until reboot

2009-10-25 Thread Sebastian Heinlein
Please take a look at the list of running processes after you have
cancelled the download: is a process python aptBackend.py running?

Actually KPackageKit uses the same library/functions to download
packages from the Internet. Do you use a proxy server?

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Re: [Bug 425280] Re: kpackagekit waxes all Internet bandwidth until reboot

2009-10-25 Thread seasoned_geek
On Sunday 25 October 2009 05:25:16 am Sebastian Heinlein wrote:
 Please take a look at the list of running processes after you have
 cancelled the download: is a process python aptBackend.py running?
 
 Actually KPackageKit uses the same library/functions to download
 packages from the Internet. Do you use a proxy server?
 
 ** Changed in: packagekit (Ubuntu)
Status: New = Incomplete
 

No, I do not.

When I run Synaptic, I can do other things, like check email and check my 
stocks.  When I use KPackageKit, I can do absolutely nothing else on-line.


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[Bug 425280] Re: kpackagekit waxes all Internet bandwidth until reboot

2009-09-22 Thread Jonathan Thomas
** Package changed: kpackagekit (Ubuntu) = packagekit (Ubuntu)

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[Bug 425280] Re: kpackagekit waxes all Internet bandwidth until reboot

2009-09-06 Thread arky
** Summary changed:

- [Karmic] kpackagekit waxes all Internet bandwidth until reboot
+ kpackagekit waxes all Internet bandwidth until reboot

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