[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2020-05-06 Thread Marcus Tomlinson
This issue has sat incomplete for more than 60 days now. I'm going to
close it as invalid. Please feel free re-open if this is still an issue
for you. Thank you.

** Changed in: grub2 (Ubuntu)
   Status: Incomplete => Invalid

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2020-03-05 Thread Marcus Tomlinson
This release of Ubuntu is no longer receiving maintenance updates. If
this is still an issue on a maintained version of Ubuntu please let us
know.

** Changed in: grub2 (Ubuntu)
   Status: Triaged => Incomplete

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2015-06-17 Thread Rolf Leggewie
lucid has seen the end of its life and is no longer receiving any
updates. Marking the lucid task for this ticket as Won't Fix.

** Changed in: grub2 (Ubuntu Lucid)
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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2015-04-23 Thread Michael Völker
I ran into this damn issue on a corporate PC that has Windows 7
Enterprise with Novell ZENworks installed on one partition.

I would like to thank Tabsc a lot for giving a hint to the solution
(#193)! However, I did not edit the registry directly but disabled the
ZENworks ISD service. Also, it was not sufficient to disable autostart
but I had to disable the service explicitly.

I took two steps that seem to be stable after a few reboots and logins
now and I share them here. Probably, only the 2nd one is required, but I
just share what I did.

Step 0, maybe unnecessary:
Disable Novell ZENworks ISD Service using msconfig.exe:
Windows Start Menu → enter msconfig → go to the Services tab and 
deactivate. Result:
http://s9.postimg.org/c66dc4f7z/msconfig_ZISD_deactivation.png

Step 1:
Really disable Novell ZENworks ISD Service using services.msc:
Windows Start Menu → enter services.msc → deactivate Novell ZENworks ISD 
Service. Result:
http://s27.postimg.org/e4wgo03z7/services_msc_ZISD_deactivation.png

At first, I only took step 0, because Tabsc was referring to auto start.
Indeed I could reboot successfully at first, but the ZISD was seemingly
triggered by another service later, so it stopped working, again. Step 1
seems to be a permanent solution... *fingers crossed*

tags for search engines:
ZISD, Zen, Windows 7, Linux Mint, linuxmint, enterprise

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2014-12-18 Thread Colin Watson
** Changed in: grub2 (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: Colin Watson (cjwatson) = (unassigned)

** Changed in: grub2 (Ubuntu Maverick)
 Assignee: Colin Watson (cjwatson) = (unassigned)

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2014-01-17 Thread Phillip Susi
Hey Colin, didn't this fix make it into Ubuntu as well or is it really
just Debian?

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2012-05-03 Thread JC Hulce
This bug affects Ubuntu 10.10, Maverick Meerkat. Maverick has reached 
end-of-life and is no longer supported, so I am closing the bug task for 
Maverick. Please upgrade to a newer version of Ubuntu. 
More information here: 
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2012-April/000158.html

** Changed in: grub2 (Ubuntu Maverick)
   Status: Triaged = Invalid

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2012-05-03 Thread JC Hulce
This bug affects Ubuntu 10.10, Maverick Meerkat. Maverick has reached 
end-of-life and is no longer supported, so I am closing the bug task for 
Maverick. Please upgrade to a newer version of Ubuntu. 
More information here: 
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2012-April/000158.html

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2011-12-21 Thread YannUbuntu
Hello
Here is a similar case due to the use of SolidWorks2010 : Bug #907283

Hope this helps.

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2011-10-05 Thread Tabs
Hi Again,

I found an alternate solution to my problem: I simply disabled the ZISD
at startup. I found many post saying that it is not possible but it
seems it is (or at least this step resolved my booting problem). That is
why I take the liberty to write it here, although not directly related
to Grub.

What you have to do is to create the following String Value using regedit:
ZISWIN Disabled
and set it to 1

The exact location of the key and more informations can be found here:
http://www.novell.com/support/php/search.do?cmd=displayKCdocType=kcexternalId=3302285sliceId=1docTypeID=DT_TID_1_1dialogID=18570921stateId=1%200%2018572294

I would still be interested in a Grub update that manage to avoid this
stupid ZISD MBR modification.

Thanks !

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2011-10-03 Thread Myname
Hi, i got the same problem:
- no grub problem by default but after a log in windows the computer start to 
boot in a loop (computer reboots at the moment when grub should start);
- when installing grub I have the warning Sector 5 is already in use by ZISD; 
avoiding it.  This software may cause boot or other problems in future.  Please 
ask its authors not to store data in the boot track.

I am running Unbuntu 11.04 and grub 1.99~rc1-13ubuntu3.
The boot is done on a RAID 5 array.

And finally you will find the files files attached as requested here:
http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ucgi/~cjwatson/blosxom/debian/2010-08-28-windows-applications-making-grub2-unbootable.html

I hope you can help  and thanks in advance.

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Re: [Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2011-10-03 Thread Ruben
Hey!

Bedankt voor je mail! Ik ben er even tussenuit geknepen naar een lekker
warm land! Ik beantwoord je mail na mijn vakantie (11 oktober).

Groetjes!

Ruben

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2011-09-21 Thread Colin Watson
Graham, please follow the instructions in
http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ucgi/~cjwatson/blosxom/debian/2010-08-28
-windows-applications-making-grub2-unbootable.html to gather more data,
except rather than following up to this bug please file a *new* bug
report against grub2 in Ubuntu.

** Changed in: grub2 (Ubuntu)
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** Changed in: grub2 (Ubuntu Maverick)
   Status: In Progress = Triaged

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2011-09-21 Thread Graham Inggs
Colin, just checking whether you can see the attachment to my post on 
2011/07/25.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/441941/+attachment/2231448/+files/jbergh.tar.gz

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2011-07-25 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
** Changed in: grub2 (Ubuntu Lucid)
   Status: New = Confirmed

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2011-07-25 Thread Graham Inggs
Recently installed Ubuntu 11.04 with grub-pc 1.99~rc1-13ubuntu3 in a
dual-boot with Windows, grub fails after running Windows.



** Attachment added: Files as requested by cjwatson
   
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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2011-05-24 Thread John Papineau
I add the same problem with someone computer. I used the cd disk to boot
the computer and backed up all the the picture and other personal
document . Then I installed the new version of Ubuntu with windows and
i add no more problem.

ps. other thing you may whant to look at is the configuration of the
hard drive on the computer. When you dual boot windows with Ubuntu you
need to put windows on your first sata  boot and ubuntu has your second
sata boot on your motherboard. Then , install windows operating system
on the first boot sata on your motherboard. After you are done. Install
Ubuntu on your sata that is on your sacond boot on your motherboard. If
when you boot your computer you do not see the ubuntu menu, just go into
the bios menu and put your hard drive that has ubuntu installed on it
has your first drive to boot in your boot selection menu . THen boot
your computer again you should now see the ubuntu menu .

I hope that this help you

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2011-04-29 Thread Tom
HP 6325, XP SP3 and 10.04.
Uninstalled: HP Backup and Recovery Manager Installer
Reinstalled GRUB as per griese's tips
No further problems.

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2011-01-07 Thread Ryan Little
I have experienced the same issue with my Compaq 6715b.

I have XP SP3 and Ubuntu 10.10 on a single drive. When booting up the
GRUB appears OK. If I boot in to Unbuntu and then restart GRUB still
appears. As soon as I boot in to XP and restart GRUB is gone.

I can't say for sure what software is responsible, I decided to remove
all of the HP bundled software that is shipped with the laptop that I
never use. This has fixed the problem and I can now boot between
operating systems quite happily without any more issues.

The HP software that remains on my laptop is listed below and can
therefore be ruled out as possible culprits;

HP Backup and Recovery Manager Installer
HP Integrated Module with Bluetooth wireless technology
HP Quick Launch Buttons 6.20 F2
HP User Guide Bluetooth Addendum 0062
HP User Guides 0064
HP Wireless Assistant

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-12-25 Thread jooh plo
I'm using an HP/Compaq nx 7300 laptop and something from windows
definitely seems to be messing up the GRUB2 procedure. I've attached
output from fdisk -lu, the diff of good and bad MBR, and the whole
output of MBR for good and bad. I understand the basics of what's going
on here, but I'm not techie enough to know how to interpret the MBR
output, so any help that is geared toward a non-technical person is
appreciated.

** Attachment added: file with outputs requested on Colin Watson's blog, dated 
28-08-10
   
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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-11-22 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: grub2 (Debian)
   Status: Confirmed = Fix Released

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-11-11 Thread Gerhard Radatz
I also have this bug on a Dell Vostro 1520, and already removed the Dell
Recovery Tool. However, next time I had this problem again.

Here are my dump output as asked in comment #4.

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-11-04 Thread Heiðar Rafn Harðarson
I am enjoying this bug on my HP nc8430 laptop with ubuntu 10.10 and windows 
XP pro.
I did restore with Ubuntu 10.10 Live USB-key.
I have not figured yet what windows software is causing this, I did some 
updates to my Windows XP and this bug was my result.
I have attached output as asked in colin's blog post

** Attachment added: grub2_unbootable.tgz
   
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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-10-30 Thread Michael Bolotov
   Hello! 
 I am owner Dell Inspiron 1012. My basic OS Ubuntu netbook edition 10.04. The 
second OS is preestablished Windows 7 Starter.  
 I too have a problem with this bug. I heard, that it is maybe connected with 
the utility ' Dell Datasafe Local Backup '. I have removed ' Dell Datasafe 
Local Backup ' from automatic loading. But it has not helped. 
 I very badly know English, excuse.

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-10-26 Thread Nicolas Valcárcel
Attaching output as asked in colin's blog post

** Attachment added: grubIssue.tgz
   
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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-10-17 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: grub2 (Debian)
   Status: New = Confirmed

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-10-09 Thread Gary M
** Project changed: grub = kgrub2editor

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-10-09 Thread Gary M
** Project changed: kgrub2editor = grub

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-10-09 Thread Kate Stewart
** Changed in: ubuntu-release-notes
   Status: Confirmed = Fix Released

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-10-08 Thread Mike Ter Louw
I have an HP and suspect ProtectTools is corrupting grub 2 (see
attachment).  Thank you for your effort on this, Colin.

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-10-04 Thread David Sharp
@Colin I had experienced this bug with the Beta. So, before installing
the RC (in the meantime I had to RMA my hard drive) I was able to take a
clean copy of my MBR. Attached is a tarball with three versions of the
first 63 sectors of my disk:

sda.0.beforeubuntu.clean:
 - This is taken with the livecd before installing (but after partitioning with 
gparted) Ubuntu 10.10 RC
 - The sector starting at offset 0x1400 contains some Dell-specific strings. I 
redacted my service tag number from here in two places (hence the .clean 
suffix).
sda.1.afterubuntu:
 - This is taken after first successful boot of Ubuntu
sda.2.afterwindows:
 - Finally, this is taken after booting into windows and then booting back into 
Ubuntu.

I did notice that the situation has improved for me between the beta and
RC. I did not have to recover grub after starting windows, nor uninstall
Dell DataSafe Local Backup. This is essentially fixed from my
perspective, but if you wanted additional improvement, avoiding
overwriting the bytes at 0x1400 would probably be nice. I don't know
what those are used for.

** Attachment added: sda-mbrs.tar.bz2
   
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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-10-02 Thread crashfourit
What about giving grub its own dedicated partition and move it out of
the staging area?

Reserving only one track (aprox 63 sectors) should work.

Could also put grub in the staging area of an extended partition.

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-09-30 Thread mavosaure
@Colin : I hope you 'll find something interesting with my files.

Reading the comment #166 of Gogl make me remember that I have also
LoJack,  but in my case it isn't activated. But it may be a service or
something like this which is launching at the set-up and that I didn't
recognize. I read a little about and it seems it's setted up in the BIOS
and in some cases it could write into the MBR :-(.

In other hand, note that I removed Dell DataSafe from the start-up list
of msconfig without any effect.

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-09-30 Thread Gary M
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview recently
mentioned this bug in rev. 104.

** Changed in: ubuntu-release-notes
   Status: New = Confirmed

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-09-29 Thread Gogl
@Colin: Sorry, i didn't know the differences between burg and grub. To
your last comment: The only thing I did was installing burg with the
--alt option to /dev/sda, my only hard drive. Again, I don't know
exactly what it does, but it works. But I think, corresponding to your
previous comment that this discussion doesn't depend to this bug.

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-09-28 Thread Gogl
@Colin : Hmmm the interessting thing is, that burg works great. I
compared the mbr with burg to the bad mbr with grub and it seems that
the changes to the mbr didn't influence burg. Whatever changes the mbr,
burg with the '--alt' option seems to be immune.

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-09-28 Thread Colin Watson
BURG doesn't install to the MBR.  This has an entirely different set of
problems, which I won't explain again here as I've done so before.  We
won't be following its example, and we definitely won't be using BURG as
it has very little development effort on it compared to the GRUB project
from which it forked.

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-09-28 Thread Colin Watson
This upload is now in maverick:

grub2 (1.98+20100804-5ubuntu2) maverick; urgency=low

  * When embedding the core image in a post-MBR gap, check for and avoid
sectors matching any of a list of known signatures (mitigates LP
#441941; more work may be required).

 -- Colin Watson cjwat...@ubuntu.com  Mon, 27 Sep 2010 18:42:42 +0100

This has been confirmed to fix Photoshop for at least one person.  I
expect that more work on gathering signatures may be required, so I will
not close this bug, but I will take it off the critical list for 10.10
at this point.

** Changed in: grub2 (Ubuntu Maverick)
Milestone: ubuntu-10.10 = None

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-09-28 Thread Colin Watson
Gogl: anyway, no matter what burg does it can't possibly recover from
its *boot sector* being overwritten, which is what your logs show;
that's like removing its brain!  I suspect that you have not told me the
full story here; perhaps you have installed some other MBR program to
the boot sector, and have installed grub or burg to a partition.  At any
rate something is very fishy.

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-09-27 Thread Colin Watson
Marko: Great, that's as expected so far, thanks.  (In a future version
of GRUB, it will be able to tolerate one sector being overwritten using
an error-correcting code; for now, all I'm trying to get to is that you
can at least reinstall GRUB afterwards and it won't be broken again.)

mavosaure: Your attachments in comment 162 and comment 165 are exactly
identical.  Did you perhaps attach the wrong file?

Gogl: Your example is much worse.  It looks as though something has
installed an entirely different boot loader; even the boot sector has
been changed.  It really is impossible for GRUB to recover from this.

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Re: [Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-09-27 Thread mavosaure
@Colin : Sorry for my mistake. This one is the good one!

I tried to recover/re-install GRUB by using chroot instead of simple 
recover but I didn't receive any special message.


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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-09-25 Thread mavosaure
@Colin Watson : you'll find requested files for multiple GRUB's breaks
due to Windows software.


@Marko Vertainen : your experience is interesting! How did you proceed? 
something as described on this page?
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Recover%20Grub%202%20via%20LiveCD

Thxs

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-09-25 Thread Gogl
Using Ubuntu 10.10 beta on a Dell laptop. Grub2 doesn't break every time
i boot Win7. I think the reason for me is LoJack. When I start a test
call, grub breaks and the boot process results in an infinite loop. I'm
going to try burg and see if it still breaks.

** Attachment added: out.tar.gz
   
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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-09-25 Thread Marko Vertainen
@mavosaure. I used excactly that wiki page to recover grub installation.
I set ppa's distribution to maverick even though I'm using lucid on that
laptop, because there wasn't new grub package made for lucid. No
problems so far.

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-09-24 Thread Marko Vertainen
I upgraded grub from the mentioned ppa to my Lucid installation. After
upgrade was finished I rebooted and went to Windows 7, and started Adobe
Photoshop. After reboot, grub2 was still missing. I rebooted from the
live CD and restored grub installation (in chroot), and got following
message after 'grub-install /dev/sda':

/usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: sector 9 is already in use by FlexNet; avoiding it.
Installation finished. No error reported.

I think that I needed to install grub twice in the MBR because I hadn't
used any of the offending Adobe software because of this bug and in
first install new grub didn't see any trace from the FlexNet. So to get
rid of this bug you need to use offending app in windows and then fix
grub installation once more using live CD.

I have now started Photoshop few times in Windows 7 and grub is still
working and I can select Ubuntu, Windows 7 and MeeGo in the boot time.
Thank you very much for your work done to fix this problem.

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-09-22 Thread mavosaure
Bad news!

I just tried your packages (@Colin Watson) but after rebooting on Seven,
it fails again. (I setted up Maverick on an another partition of the
same disk).

You'll find the requested files here.



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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-09-22 Thread Colin Watson
I've replied to mavosaure in bug 551721.  The failure is specific to
this case, and other people with the same problem should still give my
packages a try.

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-09-20 Thread Colin Watson
Could people affected by this bug please upgrade to the grub-common and
grub-pc packages from this PPA:

  https://launchpad.net/~cjwatson/+archive/ppa

... and try rebooting into Windows to see if that still makes GRUB
unbootable?  Hopefully it won't.

If it still breaks, then there are two possibilities:

  1) Nobody provided the information requested in comment 4 for whatever 
application is causing this on your system.
  2) Somebody provided this information, but the signature is more complicated 
than I thought.
  3) I screwed up somehow.

In all those cases, please provide the information requested in comment
4, and I'll see what I can figure out.  If it does work for you,
positive confirmation is good as well; if I can get confirmation that
I'm improving things for a respectable number of people, then I should
be able to get this into Maverick and possibly backport the change to
earlier releases as well.

** Changed in: grub2 (Ubuntu Maverick)
   Status: Confirmed = In Progress

** Changed in: grub2 (Ubuntu Maverick)
Milestone: None = ubuntu-10.10

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-09-17 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
** Branch linked: lp:~cjwatson/ubuntu/maverick/grub2/embed-signatures

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-09-17 Thread Colin Watson
mavosaure: Thanks.  Regarding possible duplicates: I think I'll keep
them separate because otherwise this bug is going to get VERY long as
reports about application after application come in.

zhou...@hotmail.com: Please provide the information requested in comment
4 for these applications.  I'm afraid simply saying that an application
is affected doesn't help us very much.

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-09-15 Thread zhou...@hotmail.com
I found the following applications could fire this bug also:
UtraISO,Adobe Flash Builder 4

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-09-13 Thread mavosaure
As reported in bug #551721, I experimented this bug since the 20th of august on 
my Dell Studio 1558 laptop, just after a Dell update when I was using Windows 
Seven. But the little difference is the error message. (Each time I recover 
GRUB using the same method, with a the lucid live USB) Most of time, I got :
no module name found
Aborted. Press any key to exit. (as in #551721)
or sometimes , just a blinking _

I'm using Ubuntu 10.04.1 amd64 in dual boot with Seven and the problem
is probably caused like other people by Dell Datasafe Local Backup,
that I didn't uninstall.

@ Colin : you 'll find files requested by Felix attached here. 
@ Colin (bis) : Bugs #551721 and #482757 are very similar. Maybe do we have to 
mark them as duplicate of this one?

** Attachment added: Files requested on comment #4
   
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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-09-01 Thread Gary M
** Also affects: ubuntu-release-notes
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-09-01 Thread Rafael C . Brandão
I can confirm that by removing Dell Datasafe Local Backup fixed the
issue for me. I'm on a Dell Inspiron 15R with Windows 7 Home Basic and
Ubuntu Lucid Lynx 10.04.1. I'm going to report this to Dell. Cheers!

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-08-29 Thread Marko Vertainen
Attachment 'Output from fdisk -lu, MBR files and diff running Adobe CS4'
includes files described in comment #4.

This happens when running any of the Adobe CS4 applications in Asus U1F
notebook. I'm having triple boot between Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, Windows 7 Pro
and Meego 1.0 and I'm using grub2. When running fdisk -lu it said that
first partition starts at 2048 so it's pretty far away of that typical
63 mentioned in comment #4. I hope that MBR dumps are taken in correct
order.

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-08-29 Thread Tapani Tarvainen
One probably-not-as-easy-as-it-sounds idea: 
Have grub installer compute suitable error correction codes of the embedding 
area and save them somewhere there (after the core image, say). When Windows 
next time trashes it, when reinstalling Grub the installer could use the codes 
to determine which part of the embedding area has been overwritten (if the 
codes themselves have been rewritten, the information isn't complete but enough 
to be helpful) and try another area instead. Even though it'd mean having to 
reinstall grub maybe a few times, it should stabilize eventually (unless the 
windows things use up all available space). And it could (with user's 
permission of course) report the areas used automatically to developers.

This should require hardly any changes to grub, just a few extra pointer
bytes in MBR - the installer, however, would need some rather heavy
coding to pull this off.

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-08-29 Thread psadac
The problem appears after boot on Windows XP, infinite loop after bios boot.
This seems to be a related to Novell ZISD (see mbr_bad) : this is a corporate 
computer an there is a Novell Client installed on it.
I have already installed Fedora 13 on the same computer, with the same disk 
configuration, without any problem related to grub, so there must be a solution 
already.
I switched back to lilo, of course the boot screen looks vintage, but at 
least everything works fine.
includes files described in comment #4.

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-08-28 Thread Alexey Osipov
AutoCAD 2009 or its licensing service is also corrupt GRUB loader.

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Re: [Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-08-28 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 06:44:38AM -, Alexey Osipov wrote:
 AutoCAD 2009 or its licensing service is also corrupt GRUB loader.

Please provide the information requested in comment 4.

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-08-28 Thread Ralph Ulrich
@Colin, is this attempt of yours - to run after that misbehaving
application developers - really a clean solution. Wouldn't it be great
to have an additional feature for all boot capeable Linux filesystems:

- keep the first 32Kib empty and reserved for grub if there is an
additional flag (boot) set when mkfs

This flag could be the default for all partitions on non embedded,tiny
systems.

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Re: [Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-08-28 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 02:21:17PM -, Ralph Ulrich wrote:
 @Colin, is this attempt of yours - to run after that misbehaving
 application developers - really a clean solution.

I've been thinking (well, mostly despairing) about this bug for nearly a
year now, on and off.  I haven't done anything about it because all the
solutions I could think of were either impractical or would introduce
different problems that would be significant in themselves.  This is the
first approach I've thought of that I could deploy with relatively
little effort, and push to stable releases with a very low probability
of disruption.

 Wouldn't it be great to have an additional feature for all boot
 capeable Linux filesystems:
 
 - keep the first 32Kib empty and reserved for grub if there is an
 additional flag (boot) set when mkfs

If you want me to redesign the world, then this bug will never be fixed.
I am a relatively pragmatic developer and would prefer something that's
possible right now.

Besides, your proposed approach has a different fundamental flaw: it
relies on the partition in question residing early enough on the disk
that the BIOS can read it.  By contrast, using GRUB 2's ata module it is
possible to boot from a partition later than that barrier provided that
core.img is installed near the start.  This is relevant to dual-booters
because Windows is usually already installed at the start of the disk
and cannot easily be moved further forward.

I'm convinced that the embedding area is a fundamentally better place
for a boot loader to live; we just need to work around issues like this
one.  Such a workaround requires no changes whatsoever to GRUB's
diskboot assembly code, merely a relatively trivial change to
grub-setup, and would not change any other properties of GRUB's booting
arrangements.  To me, this makes this an attractive solution even if it
does involve a certain amount of chasing.

 This flag could be the default for all partitions on non embedded,tiny
 systems.

If you'd like to take this up with filesystem developers, by all means
feel free.  I'm not going to wait for it with respect to this bug,
though.

If you'd like to discuss this further, then please take it to private
e-mail.  This bug is already very long, and I don't want to distract
people from supplying the specific information I've asked for.

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-08-28 Thread Philip Muškovac
for me it's 2e00..2ff0 being modified.

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-08-28 Thread drgoplayer
One approach to a solution is to make the code written to MBR as small
as possible.  Is Windows writing a boot loader to the MBR?  Then make
Grub2 code write to the same area exactly.

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-08-28 Thread mlx
I had this happen to me - see my comments with attachments (#31 and 32)
in Bug #26058

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-08-27 Thread Colin Watson
It would be very helpful to me if people affected by this bug could
follow the directions from Felix Zielcke in comment 4, and attach the
results here.  This is much more useful than describing your hardware or
explaining again how serious the bug is! :-)

The one person to provide this information did so in comment 6.  Thank
you.  His information indicates that offsets 0x4A00 to 0x4BFF are
overwritten.  If other people's results are consistent with that (and
that's a big if, which is why we NEED the data requested in comment 4),
then the problem is NOT that GRUB 2 is doing something dramatically
different from how GRUB Legacy did it, or putting its information in a
different place.  The problem is:

  GRUB 2's core image is more useful than GRUB Legacy's Stage 1.5, and
is thus bigger.

This puts us in a very difficult position.  The enhancements are real,
and we're using them in Ubuntu; they allow us to do such things as
making the boot loader reliable on multiple-disk systems.  If you were
affected by that unreliability then this is a pretty big deal!  Thus,
simply going back to GRUB 2 is not an option for us.  The relevant
change in BURG (which, by the way, is not a total rewrite of GRUB 2, but
a single-developer fork which sees relatively little development effort
compared to GRUB 2) is that it provides a --alt option to grub-install
and grub-setup which forces the use of blocklists: in plain English,
that means that rather than putting the core image in the gap between
the master boot record and the first partition, it instead remembers the
list of blocks where /boot/grub/core.img currently lives on disk.  That
will become unbootable in a different situation, namely when your
filesystem decides to move /boot/grub/core.img around for some reason
(filesystem recovery, defragmentation, performance optimisations, etc.).
Now, presumably those people advocating BURG aren't as badly affected by
that, which is fair enough, but I hope people see why I hold the
position that it's not obvious that it's worth exchanging one problem
for the other.

At this point, I don't want to make any change without more hard data on
exactly what these Windows tools are doing.  There seem to be several
tools involved.  Perhaps they're all doing different things, or perhaps
they have something in common.  Maybe we can spot particular signatures
and work around them somehow, e.g. by skipping the relevant sectors, for
instance.  But I can't do anything until I know exactly what's going on.
So, at the risk of repeating myself again - if you're affected by this
bug, please provide the information requested by Felix Zielcke in
comment 4, following the example set in comment 6.  Thank you.

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-08-27 Thread Colin Watson
0x4A00 to 0x4BFF is sector 37.
http://www.woodmann.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-7462.html indicates
(though I don't see hex dumps to confirm) that Adobe's Flexnet writes to
sector 32.  So at that level, there are definitely multiple pieces of
software at work in different ways.)

Dear application authors: the MBR gap is NOT YOURS.  (Sigh.  I don't
expect this to have much effect.)

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-08-27 Thread Colin Watson
I have first-draft code to detect signatures of particular programs in
the post-MBR gap and avoid the relevant sectors when writing the GRUB
core image.  I'd like to inspect some data dumps first to confirm that
this strategy will be viable, and of course gathering the signatures
will probably be an ongoing process, but at least the necessary code in
GRUB does not appear to be very difficult.

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-08-26 Thread drgoplayer
Grub2 problem with Adobe Software

This problem is more widely spread than HP recovery software or Dell.
I have been having the same symptoms trying to install Adobe software
on a dual boot system.  I am currently running Lucid with Grub2 and
Windows XP.  I believe the problem actually occurred earlier while running
Intrepid.  I have also seen this Adobe problem mentioned in another forum.

Here is the situation:  If I install Adobe -- for example Acrobat 7 or 8,
it is fine while in Windows.  When I reboot Grub is gone.  So far I am repairing
frequently with Supergrub, or just leaving Supergrub in the cd drive and booting
with it!  Now any use of Acrobat in windows will destroy Grub, and I have
to use Supergrub to reboot.

I have discovered posts which indicate that Adobe software writes licensing
data to the MBR -- Flexnet.  So this is comparable to the situation mentioned
with HP.  Adobe modifies the MBR, and Grub2 won't boot.  

Apparently Grub2 is too big or something.  Since this problem is
affecting something as widely used as Adobe, I believe it is serious.
Many people only keep windows to run Photoshop, etc.  I think we
can also expect that other software will also write to the MBR and
cause these problems.

I have yet to try the Burg solution listed here, but will try it next.  So far
my main solution has been to install CS3 on a completely separate
hard drive, open the computer, and manually switch drives when I use
Adobe!  A little awkward.

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-08-26 Thread Robbie Williamson
** Changed in: grub2 (Ubuntu Maverick)
 Assignee: (unassigned) = Colin Watson (cjwatson)

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-08-13 Thread Robbie Williamson
** Also affects: grub2 (Ubuntu Maverick)
   Importance: High
   Status: Confirmed

** Also affects: grub2 (Ubuntu Lucid)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-07-24 Thread zhilec_vershin
This problem also exists with Grub legacy.
I had the issue with Grub 2 on my Dell Vostro1300 laptop. Recovery instructions 
on grub.enbug.org/Grub2LiveCdInstallGuide worked very well (thanks a million to 
the author, I really appreciate this!). However it was just not feasible to 
reinstall grub every time after working with Windows (Even I needed Windows 
just every other day).

I thought to get rid of this problem by downgrading to grub Legacy. I
reinstalled one of the previous Ubuntu distributions which came with
grub legacy, and then upgraded one by one to Lucid Lynx (yes, I did it
that complicated).

To no avail - problem is back after second or third time that Windows
and its programs grabbed their internet updates. No idea which piece of
software exactly is the grub eraser ...

I guess I'll check out if my old notebook still can run Windows, and will keep 
my main notebook for Ubuntu ...
Quite frustrating ...

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-06-28 Thread Хаджиев
Did you use  the --alt option when installing to MBR:

http://syndofyouths.wordpress.com/2010/04/12/the-boot-loader-problem-in-
ubuntu/

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-06-28 Thread Хаджиев
** Tags added: i386

** Tags added: amd64

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-06-28 Thread Philip Muškovac
** Tags added: karmic

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-06-27 Thread Хаджиев
You're welcome, amy!

I believe that this bug is EXTREMELY important. It should be fixed as
fast as possible.

There is no way to leave a system unbootable and hope that the regular
users will come back and try Ubuntu again some sunny day. Even stay with
Linux at all (when the best desktop Linux distro corrupts your computer
and make it completely unusable).

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-06-27 Thread Хаджиев
EDIT:
* (when the best desktop-oriented Linux distro corrupts your computer and makes 
it completely unusable)

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-06-27 Thread Stephan Saint
Well, this one's real bad. I'm running Lucid and WinXP Home on an Acer
Aspire One D250. It doesn't matter if I use GRUB2 or BURG (which is
based on GRUB2, as we know), anytime I boot windows, it corrupts my
bootloader and I get this bug rearing it's ugly head. As far as I can
tell, there is nothing installed in Windows that should be reading or
writing to the MBR (I removed all the crapware that Acer calls their
empowering technology and my antivirus, AVG free, does not scan the
MBR).

A similar setup on my desktop (an Acer Aspire running Lucid and Win7 Pro
x64) has no issues whatsoever.

This is certainly frustrating, I don't want to have to constantly repair
or reinstall GRUB. Looks like I'm goin' back to grub-legacy, unless
anyone else has any ideas?

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-06-11 Thread bean
For those that are still affected by this problem, you can solve it with
burg:

Install instruction for ubuntu:
http://code.google.com/p/burg/wiki/InstallUbuntu

The trick is to use --alt option when installing to mbr:
http://code.google.com/p/burg/wiki/Troubleshooting

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-06-11 Thread Хаджиев
Here is a quick guide to do so:

http://syndofyouths.wordpress.com/2010/04/12/the-boot-loader-problem-in-
ubuntu/

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-06-11 Thread Philip Muškovac
Setting High as this results in being unable to use the affected pc at
all.

** Changed in: grub2 (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided = High

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-06-11 Thread Ahmed Mohammed Yassin
just tried burg.. again the liveCD...

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-06-11 Thread Ahmed Mohammed Yassin
oh sorry i didn't noticed the alt option.. it worked for me, thanx
@Miro..

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-06-10 Thread Ahmed Mohammed Yassin
this thing drives me crazy.. every reboot fro windows requires a liveCD
re-installation of grub2 :@ thats pretty silly...

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-06-09 Thread Ahmed Mohammed Yassin
** Changed in: grub2 (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: (unassigned) = Ahmed Mohammed Yassin (a7mdyassin)

** Changed in: grub2 (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: Ahmed Mohammed Yassin (a7mdyassin) = (unassigned)

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-05-05 Thread Jesse van Herk
For those experiencing this problem on a Dell computer, another likely suspect 
would be Dell DataSafe Local Backup, as per this bug:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/482757

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-05-01 Thread q.dinar
in my computer i do not boot to windows. there are 2 hard disks. grub2 checks 
both disks long time, doing much moving inside hdds, and hdd led lights that 
time.
in another computer hdd led does not light but grub2 loads 1 minute, during 
that time only a text cursor, underline, at left top corner. in that computer i 
have just now tried to set GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=true , but effect is only 
windows disappeared, but same 1 minute of waiting.

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-05-01 Thread q.dinar
i said in another computer hdd led does not light - no, it also
lights.

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-05-01 Thread q.dinar
on that second computer behavior is same after bootrec /fixmbr of
windows 7!

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-04-13 Thread Хаджиев
Sorry for adding one more comment (there is no edit option in
Launchpad) but the guide in my blog  is now hosted here:

http://syndofyouths.wordpress.com/2010/04/12/i-want-to-address-the-boot-
loader-problem-in-ubuntu-9-10/


Kind regards,
Miro Hadzhiev

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-04-10 Thread Хаджиев
I highly recommend to everybody to install BURG and to overwrite GRUB2 
installation.
The bug DOES NOT occur in BURG (which is a re-write of GRUB2). This is the 
how-to:
http://code.google.com/p/burg/wiki/InstallUbuntu

Kind regards,
Miro Hadzhiev

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-04-10 Thread Хаджиев
But you should use this line instead (when installing BURG to the MBR of
your system):

sudo burg-install --alt (hd0)

I wrote a simple guide in my blog which resembles the aforesaid how-to:
http://syndofyouths.blogspot.com/2010/04/off-topic-i-want-to-address-boot-loader.html

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-04-09 Thread Charles J
I'm frustrated that this hasn't been given a high level of importance.

I'm running Mint 8 on a Dell Vostro 1720. I'm running Win 7 Enterprise
32-bit. It is a clean install on a formatted drive...no Dell software,
no installed services, and my antivirus is NOD32. This happens on every
boot of Windows, whether I choose restart or shut down, whether or not
changes are made to the system. I've upgraded my bios, still no dice.
Every time I try to boot after running Windows I have to reinstall Grub2
from the live CD.

Stop trying to make this about Windows or Windows programs! Legacy
worked fine, so in the upgrade from Legacy to Grub2 you lose a critical
feature! If a basic install with no custom options renders a users
machine unusable after exiting Windows, then this is a serious bug and
it shouldn't be the users responsibility to get it fixed.

Debian has assigned this bug an important severity
(http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=550702), it should be
here, too.

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-04-06 Thread Ignace
Dell Vostro 1720 - Vista/Ubuntu 9.10

Been having this problem too for a while and it always happened on Sunday 
somewhere between 12-17h.
If Vista was on during those hours, I was 100% sure I would have to repair GRUB.
It would just stay on grub loading for a couple of seconds and reboot.
All the other days seemed ok, even when leaving windows for a long time... 
Tried the same routine on Saturday/Sunday and only Sunday gave me problems 
somehow.

Tried removing some Dell software in a couple of steps (like that
ISUSPM.exe), but still the problem persisted.

Last week I updated my BIOS from A02 to A08 (a bit like Johnny Dopefish:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/441941/comments/117)
and it seems like the problem is gone for me now.

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-04-06 Thread Ignace
Sorry, seemed to linked to a wrong comment in my previous message. I
meant
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/441941/comments/116.

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-04-06 Thread pippom77
Thanks Miro! I run to subscribe to the new bug address! :)

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-04-03 Thread pippom77
I have a new Dell Studio 1558: the problem persists.

I installed Lynx beta 1 and very very very often Windows works on the MBR 
corrupting Grub2 files (maybe the OS thinks that Grub2 is something like a 
rootkit).
Someone refers that by recurring to the downgrade to Grub-Legacy the problem 
won't occur any more.

Having read a lot of posts in a lot of Forums, I think I can state that
the problem regards most of new Dell laptops.

I think that if a previous version (Grub legacy) solves the problem, it would 
be useful to modify the structure of
Grub2 in order to gain again the compatibility with Windows. Sure, the problem 
regards the way the Microsoft OS treats Grub2, but in my opinion it would be a 
pity not to try to fix this drawback, in view of the fact that with Grub-legacy 
all works fine: it would by difficult for a new-future Linux addicted to fall 
in love with Ubuntu if one of the first step after installation is re-write the 
MBR...

I think that the idea of Miro Hadzhiev, filing a new bug for Lucid, is
great!

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-04-03 Thread Хаджиев
I've already done that. 
This is it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/551721

(:

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-03-24 Thread Хаджиев
I see no activity after my last message.
Is it a good idea to file a new bug report for Lucid Beta1 (though the problem 
is similar here)?

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-03-20 Thread Хаджиев
Maybe the same problem in in Lucid Beta1. After booting Windows my
system again was left with useless MBR.

The system message this time is not GRUB LOADING as it is in Karmic but 
no module name found
Aborted. Press any key to exit.

After hitting Enter the message: Non-system disk or disk error
replace and strike any key when ready appers.

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[Bug 441941] Re: grub fails after running Windows

2010-03-18 Thread Johnny Dopefish
I see a variety of hardware listed here and a few mentions of Dell
Vostros.  I'm using a Vostro 1520 dualbooting Win7/Ub 9.10 and was
experiencing this MBR problem as well as some erratic behavior in
Windows 7 (intermittent keyboard and mouse drivers not loading, display
drivers not loading, the same problems I had with Ubuntu 9.04).

During the course of troubleshooting my Windows issues I updated the
BIOS from A03 to A07.  Ever since then both my Windows issues have been
resolved and the MBR is no longer getting hosed every few boots.

So for those still having this problem, check your manufacturer's
website for any applicable updates...you may be barking up the wrong
tree.

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