[Bug 49524] Re: Removal of ubuntu-desktop needs a stronger warning
FWIW, in Ubuntu Software Center I specified that the equivalent alert
should say: {title} is a core item in Ubuntu. Removing it may cause
future upgrades to be incomplete.
(https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter#removing step 3)
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Re: [Bug 49524] Re: Removal of ubuntu-desktop needs a stronger warning
On Sat, Dec 29, 2007 at 10:04:58AM -, Markus Majer wrote: For example, there are many people who absolutely favour Gnome as their desktop, but thinking that Evolution really sucks as a mail client, at least when it comes to filtering etc., and on stability. (Evolution crashes very often..) So when someone wants Thunderbird instead Evolution (because he uses it also on Windows and it is more stable than Evolution), Kopete instead Pidgin (because of the missing Webcam feature in Pidgin aka Gaim), and Tomboy, the ressource-sucking (because of mono?) notes client completely deinstalled, he cannot do without harm his ubuntu-desktop. Evolution, Pidgin and Tomboy can all be easily removed without removing ubuntu-desktop. -- - mdz -- Removal of ubuntu-desktop needs a stronger warning https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/49524 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 49524] Re: Removal of ubuntu-desktop needs a stronger warning
ubuntu-desktop was already changed in Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy, October 2006) so that many of the default packages, icnluding the one you mention above, can be removed without disturbing the metapackage. But there should be much, much more of such packages, who can be removed without disturbing the metapackage! For example, there are so many packages which have real good or better alternatives, or are heavily depending on the users liking. For example, there are many people who absolutely favour Gnome as their desktop, but thinking that Evolution really sucks as a mail client, at least when it comes to filtering etc., and on stability. (Evolution crashes very often..) So when someone wants Thunderbird instead Evolution (because he uses it also on Windows and it is more stable than Evolution), Kopete instead Pidgin (because of the missing Webcam feature in Pidgin aka Gaim), and Tomboy, the ressource-sucking (because of mono?) notes client completely deinstalled, he cannot do without harm his ubuntu-desktop. How many packages are really needed to do a proper upgrade? -- Removal of ubuntu-desktop needs a stronger warning https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/49524 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 49524] Re: Removal of ubuntu-desktop needs a stronger warning
On Sun, Jul 08, 2007 at 03:51:31PM -, drgoplayer wrote: Is it possible to remove apps without breaking the desktop? Even removing a font such as ttf-arphic-ukai will remove ubuntu-desktop. We would like to remove most of these but with dapper and feisty they seem to be tied to ubuntu-desktop. ubuntu-desktop was already changed in Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy, October 2006) so that many of the default packages, icnluding the one you mention above, can be removed without disturbing the metapackage. -- - mdz -- Removal of ubuntu-desktop needs a stronger warning https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/49524 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 49524] Re: Removal of ubuntu-desktop needs a stronger warning
I am definitely not an advanced user. We installed feisty on a 3 gb partition and had very little space left. I had successfully removed many apps from breezy so thought feisty might work the same. We tried removing various apps and they all said they would remove ubuntu desktop and other frightening things. Finally we removed a few things assuming that it wouldnt remove critical dependencies. The box would only reboot in safe mode (as root) and the wifi card wouldnt work so no access to any repostories except thru the live CD. When I tried reinstalling thru the live CD, it either said the package wasnt available or was already installed. Finally donwloaded a cd image for dapper and installed that. only 780 mb free but that is more than feisty left. Again all the packages say they will also remove ubuntu-desktop. Is it possible to remove apps without breaking the desktop? Even removing a font such as ttf-arphic-ukai will remove ubuntu-desktop. We would like to remove most of these but with dapper and feisty they seem to be tied to ubuntu-desktop. aspell bicyclerepair blt busybox cdrecord contact lookup diveintopython eog evolution fd utils foomatic gaim gcalctool gettext gnome-games gnomemeeting groff-base gthumb gtk2 themes gucharmap j2re1.4 irrsi-text metacity rhythmbox rss-glx samba-common smbclient ttf-arphic ttf-baekmuk other foreign fonts x-fonts -- Removal of ubuntu-desktop needs a stronger warning https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/49524 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 49524] Re: Removal of ubuntu-desktop needs a stronger warning
** Changed in: ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) Status: Unconfirmed = Confirmed -- Removal of ubuntu-desktop needs a stronger warning https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/49524 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 49524] Re: Removal of ubuntu-desktop needs a stronger warning
this change should really be made !! i never really knew what the ominous recommend you keep it means it's just useless info, as all but advanced users should not remove standart packages. however an advanced user (like me) might think, a its recommended but why exactly? ...ok what the hell i'll remove it as i want package xy no longer. this just leads to frustrated users and useless bug reports, because advanced users will remove this package without knowing what get's broken... i for instance just removed most recommended packages by ubuntu-desktop, will this break an upgrade? i've no clue but i after reading this bug description i certainly know exactly where to look if something stops working -- Removal of ubuntu-desktop needs a stronger warning https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/49524 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 49524] Re: Removal of ubuntu-desktop needs a stronger warning
It is perfectly safe for expert users to remove this package, with the understanding that they are taking responsibility for their own package selections, and won't receive any automatic help with this. I think the wording suggested in the original report is rather severe, but I would appreciate a pointer to the technical analysis of the upgrade experience which went wrong because of this issue. -- Removal of ubuntu-desktop needs a stronger warning https://launchpad.net/bugs/49524 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 49524] Re: Removal of ubuntu-desktop needs a stronger warning
Don't know how this is a bug, but however, it is a Wishlist item which I actually find viable. I have come across removing the Kubuntu Desktop which the warnings are similar. Of course further investigation by me saved me from head aches. Thank you for your posting as I am posiitive it will be reviewed. ** Changed in: ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) Importance: Untriaged = Wishlist -- Removal of ubuntu-desktop needs a stronger warning https://launchpad.net/bugs/49524 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
