[Bug 501034] Re: Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound
This bug was filed against a series that is no longer supported and so is being marked as Won't Fix. If this issue still exists in a supported series, please file a new bug. This change has been made by an automated script, maintained by the Ubuntu Kernel Team. ** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu) Status: Triaged = Won't Fix -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/501034 Title: Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/501034/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 501034] Re: Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound
I have a similar bug, I think. Creative X-Fi Gamer. Ubuntu 10.10 and 11.04 (live CD) But I can not in any way regulate LFE and Center. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPzciT9E0Yg Did I chose the right topic? Can I somehow help in understanding the problem? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/501034 Title: Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 501034] Re: Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound
** Tags added: karmic -- Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/501034 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 501034] Re: Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound
i do apologize that i reply so late, but from what daniel t chen said i understood that this is not a bug in my soundcard but kind of unnatural behaviour of the pulseaudio sliders for 5.1 sound on all the soundcards -- Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/501034 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 501034] Re: Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound
So let's sum up here. There is a bug in the driver for your (possibly integrated) soundcard that makes it output the wrong mixer sliders, or the right mixer sliders but the wrong names, and this confuses PulseAudio. You might be able to work around it at the PulseAudio level by modifying mixer path configuration files, I have yet to master how to do that, so I can't help you currently. The other workaround, load-module module-alsa-sink control=PCM first relies on you to find a proper mixer in alsamixer that works the way you want your master to work. Assuming the PCM slider does that, the workaround will make all other mixers disappear, but they're still available for adjustments in alsamixer. ** Package changed: alsa-driver (Ubuntu) = linux (Ubuntu) ** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Low ** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu) Status: New = Triaged -- Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/501034 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 501034] Re: Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound
in the way how it behaves now you can't control loudness of subwoofer at all. because if you change subwoofer volume the volume of all the other speakers changes too. not all the people have accessible hardware volume controls you know -- Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/501034 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 501034] Re: Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 12:38 PM, someNewb wrote: in the way how it behaves now you can't control loudness of subwoofer at all. because if you change subwoofer volume the volume of all the other speakers changes too. Like I said before, add an Ignore stanza. If you need additional assistance, use answers.launchpad.net after reading http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/pulseaudio/ubuntu/annotate/head%3A/debian/patches/0090-use-volume-ignore-for-analog-output.patch not all the people have accessible hardware volume controls you know Sorry, but what does this have to do with your bug report? -- Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/501034 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 501034] Re: Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound
not all the people have accessible hardware volume controls you know Sorry, but what does this have to do with your bug report? .. if you can't access the hardware volume control it means that you would hope to control the volume via software volume control.. that's the whole bug about, you can't control subwoofer volume without changing all the other speakers' volume. it takes a lot of fiddling around in order to find the correct ratio Like I said before, add an Ignore stanza. If you need additional assistance, use answers.launchpad.net after reading http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/pulseaudio/ubuntu/annotate/head%3A/debian/patches/0090-use-volume-ignore-for-analog-output.patch i applied the patch to my but the subwoofer slider still moves along the output volume slider sometimes also what's worse, i moved my output volume slider all the way to the left and after i moved it back, only rear speakers play! wtf? -- Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/501034 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 501034] Re: Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound
don't mind the only rear speakers play part, i completely reset pulse audio settings and volume control and all the settings went do default.. but i better not move it all the way to the left again -- Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/501034 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 501034] Re: Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound
You can't just apply the patch as-is. You need to modify it for the desired lfe (and other) mixer control(s). On Dec 30, 2009 3:31 PM, someNewb randomst...@fastmail.fm wrote: not all the people have accessible hardware volume controls you know Sorry, but what does this... .. if you can't access the hardware volume control it means that you would hope to control the volume via software volume control.. that's the whole bug about, you can't control subwoofer volume without changing all the other speakers' volume. it takes a lot of fiddling around in order to find the correct ratio Like I said before, add an Ignore stanza. If you need additional assistance, use answers.launchpa... i applied the patch to my but the subwoofer slider still moves along the output volume slider sometimes also what's worse, i moved my output volume slider all the way to the left and after i moved it back, only rear speakers play! wtf? -- Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/501034You received this bug... -- Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/501034 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 501034] Re: Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound
ok, if i understood correctly i was supposed to add [Element LFE] volume = ignore right? but this is stupid, because now even thought i move the subwoofer slider- the volume of it doesn't change at all -- Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/501034 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 501034] Re: Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 6:59 PM, someNewb wrote: ok, if i understood correctly i was supposed to add [Element LFE] volume = ignore right? I presume you placed it in the correct file (see the multichannel ones). but this is stupid, because now even thought i move the subwoofer slider- the volume of it doesn't change at all You did just tell PA to ignore, i.e., not touch, the LFE mixer control... -- Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/501034 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 501034] Re: Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound
but this is stupid, because now even thought i move the subwoofer slider- the volume of it doesn't change at all You did just tell PA to ignore, i.e., not touch, the LFE mixer control... so this effect is wanted? but why would i want this? i don't mean to sound harsh but did you even read my posts? -- Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/501034 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 501034] Re: Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 7:53 PM, someNewb wrote: so this effect is wanted? but why would i want this? i don't mean to sound harsh but did you even read my posts? Of course I did. I'm telling you the way to work around it in PA. If you don't want PA adjusting that mixer control, you tell PA to ignore it. Otherwise, even with flat volumes disabled, it will be adjusted at some point. Feel free to migrate this bug to linux (where it belongs). Master should be changed to Master Front. Also, the source code is available; feel free to dive in. -- Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/501034 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 501034] Re: Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound
but it didn't work! :( your patch made the PA completely ignore the subwoofer mixer control, i did not want this in the picture and posts above i tried to explain that: when you move the global volume control slider it should adjust the volume of the subwoofer like it does, BUT it should not move the slider itself- the slider is there to be static and set the ratio at which should the subwoofer volume be decreased- this is the correct way of handling volume control, not the way it is there right now when you have, for example, speakers with two sliders, one says subwoofer, other says master, when you move the master it does not go messing around with the subwoofer slider- that one stays there- even though the subwoofer volume changes about the code is available - i don't have the expertise to write a software layer for alsa controler, i am a user reporting a bug - i thought you could tell -- Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/501034 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 501034] Re: Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 8:42 PM, someNewb randomst...@fastmail.fm wrote: your patch made the PA completely ignore the subwoofer mixer control, i did not want this You cannot create a softvol for a single mixer control at runtime. You *have* to modify the kernel source code (alsa-kernel). in the picture and posts above i tried to explain that: when you move the global volume control slider it should adjust the volume of the subwoofer like it does, You want a software volume (remixer)? The correct way is to modify the kernel. However, be aware that your proposal below is very, very different to how PA behaves (and how PA will be expected to behave)... BUT it should not move the slider itself- the slider is there to be static and set the ratio at which should the subwoofer volume be decreased- this is the correct way of handling volume control, not the way it is there right now Not all LFE are controlled the same. It depends largely on controller and codec combinations. Some hardware are notoriously poor. when you have, for example, speakers with two sliders, one says subwoofer, other says master, when you move the master it does not go messing around with the subwoofer slider- that one stays there- even though the subwoofer volume changes Then what is the point of having a 'Master' control at all? Why not just forget about Master and move the sliders yourself? Now that I think on it, you could make such a change in the kernel source pretty easily. But I am not going to do it for your card, because: 1) There is no guarantee it will work as you intend on all hardware 2) There is no guarantee it will be what other users want -- Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/501034 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 501034] Re: Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound
Then what is the point of having a 'Master' control at all? Why not just forget about Master and move the sliders yourself? how can you say such thing and why would you do this? the master is there- to control the global audio output so you wouldn't have to bother with the rest. on the beginning- when you place speakers in your room you only set the ratio of how should the speakers be loud, depending on their position- and then the master controls them all at once automatically (the same way you do with real speaker hardware control) However, be aware that your proposal below is very, very different to how PA behaves (and how PA will be expected to behave)... in this case the `volume controls` inside ubuntu are moving into a very wrong direction for 5.1 users if they keep pulseaudio 2) There is no guarantee it will be what other users want this is pretty much how all the speakers in the world work oh boy i shouldn't have bought these geniuses, i should have just got some speakers with proper expandable hardware volume sliders and then i wouldn't have trouble with volume control on ubuntu. i guess i will have to stick to my old windows xp where it works properly but the way how the volume control for 5.1 in ubuntu behaves now is not correct, nor user friendly -- Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/501034 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 501034] Re: Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound
thanks for the suggestions, but it did not help i tried configuring load-module module-alsa-sink control=PCM but it didn't help. the sound became all shuttery and weird and there is now no control bar for subwoofer at all. every other control disappeared and there is only left/right BTW, if i understood correctly, module-alsa-sink removes all the sliders and adds only single one.. but i want to have controls for my subwoofer..or am i getting it wrong? where can i find what kind of separate controls can i add under module-alsa-sink? i didn't find any specification on this, so now i only know that i can add control=PCM, control=front and that's all. it would be handy to add controls to all of my channels i am going to apport-collect 501034 right now -- Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/501034 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 501034] Re: Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound
Okay. If you control the volume at ALSA level, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems/KarmicCaveats#Advanced%20mixer%20(volume%20control) - do you experience the same problem then? -- Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/501034 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 501034] Re: Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound
if i try to control volume bars at alsamixer the master control doesn't control the master... it slides front speakers only. subwoofer volume doesn't change so yes, the problem still persists. what we see as master in alsamixer termial utility is not master at all i don't know who did this but he got it all wrong. master volume control is global volume- global controls SHOULD affect the global volume (every channel) but leave the specific sliders for the speakers UNTOUCHED -perserving the ratio alsamixer master slider leaves all the other sliders untouched but it controls- i don't even know what it controls, but if i put it to 0 some of the speakers still play the GUI master control at the top of my desktop controls the volume outputs of all of my speakers, but it moves the subwoofer slider. it shouldn't -- Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/501034 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 501034] Re: Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound
in other words, the problem with termial `alsamixer` is that it has no master control that would act like real master the gui control at the top is almost correct, but it should leave the subwoofer slider alone -- Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/501034 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 501034] Re: Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound
i know that i sound confusing, therefore i drew a picture explaining how the volume controls should work the picture is saved in attachment or can be accessed online: http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/9944/howshoulditwork.png ** Attachment added: a picture describing the correct state of volume handling http://launchpadlibrarian.net/37268607/how%20should%20it%20work.png -- Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/501034 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 501034] Re: Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound
(do not get freaked out, i know that the volume bar is a screenshot from winxp. i took a screenshot from win xp because it's handled correctly there) -- Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/501034 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 501034] Re: Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound
Please read http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/PulseAudioStoleMyVolumes -- Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/501034 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 501034] Re: Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound
thanks for the article, now i understand my mistake between percents and dBs and that my terminology of 'master' is not the same as in pulse audio this however doesn't solve the problem i still think that when i move the subwoofer slider it shouldn't move the global volume conrol slider too (and vice versa) -- Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/501034 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 501034] Re: Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound
I agree that it is a bug that the subwoofer moves along with the master. A workaround that should have been working would be to load-module module-alsa-sink control=PCM (which should make pulseaudio volume control all channels equally) and then use alsamixer to control the individual channels. I'm still uncertain whether this bug is at the Pulseaudio level or the driver level... -- Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/501034 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 501034] Re: Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound
It isn't a bug that PA expects the driver to work across all analog playback switches. Just add a stanza to ignore the LFE switch. I've blogged instructions several months ago... On Dec 29, 2009 5:11 PM, David Henningsson launchpad@epost.diwic.se wrote: I agree that it is a bug that the subwoofer moves along with the master. A workaround that should have been working would be to load-module module-alsa-sink control=PCM (which should make pulseaudio volume control all channels equally) and then use alsamixer to control the individual channels. I'm still uncertain whether this bug is at the Pulseaudio level or the driver level... -- Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/501034You received this bug... -- Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/501034 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 501034] Re: Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound
Please try the solution at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems/KarmicCaveats#Volume%20range%20anomalies (2nd solution, load-module module-alsa-sink control=PCM). If it does not work; please report back and also do the apport-collect 501034 terminal command to supply more information. Thank you! -- Volume Control wrong for 5.1 sound https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/501034 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
