[Bug 506297] Re: Graphical Ubuntu logo enabled on servers, no more login prompt

2011-04-02 Thread Christian Kujau
@Maintainers, please reconsider.

I just had a real usecase here where some box just hung and the last message I 
was seeing came from "plymouth". I booted with
"ro nosplash noplymouth INIT_VERBOSE=yes init=/sbin/init -v", but it still 
hung. See plymouth-1.png under:

   http://nerdbynature.de/bits/LP-506297/

So I removed plymouth via equivs (control file & installable .deb on URL
above) and it turned out it wasn't plymouth-related at all. As a bonus,
the screen does not "clear" any more after boot, so I can see all the
boot messages (if one had to plugin a display device :))

Again, please tell what plymouth would be good for in a Ubuntu _server_
installation. Last I checked, Ubuntu still supports server
installations, does it not? Options:

1) remove plymouth altogether on Ubuntu server (until it does something useful)
2) make plymouth "Recommends", not "Depends"
3) ?

Thanks for listening,
C.

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[Bug 506297] Re: Graphical Ubuntu logo enabled on servers, no more login prompt

2010-07-20 Thread cdmiller
@Tom Ellis,

Thanks! The 'noplymouth' option worked great with all plymouth upstart
scripts back in place.  Definitely a more civilized approach.  Boot
options of:

ro nosplash noplymouth INIT_VERBOSE=yes init=/sbin/init -v

give "nice" output on a VM server text console.

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[Bug 506297] Re: Graphical Ubuntu logo enabled on servers, no more login prompt

2010-07-20 Thread Tom Ellis
@cdmillier, try the 'noplymouth' boot option

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[Bug 506297] Re: Graphical Ubuntu logo enabled on servers, no more login prompt

2010-07-12 Thread cdmiller
Here is how we got a text only console for Lucid server, and upgrade
from Karmic on a VM:

Enable the text console:
http://staff.adams.edu/~cdmiller/posts/Ubuntu-Lucid-server-text-console/

Disable Plymouth:
http://staff.adams.edu/~cdmiller/posts/Ubuntu-Lucid-server-disable-plymouth/

Verbose Upstart for boot messages:
http://staff.adams.edu/~cdmiller/posts/Ubuntu-Lucid-server-upstart/

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[Bug 506297] Re: Graphical Ubuntu logo enabled on servers, no more login prompt

2010-04-28 Thread zoolook
who is the genius that came with the superb idea of putting a boot
splash on a server edition!?

I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous.

Please, revert the server edition to NOT USE ANY KIND OF GRAPHICAL BOOT.

That, or maybe it is time for me to go back to Debian on servers.

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[Bug 506297] Re: Graphical Ubuntu logo enabled on servers, no more login prompt

2010-03-26 Thread Thierry Carrez
And now I see you did that already, bug 542666 :)

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[Bug 506297] Re: Graphical Ubuntu logo enabled on servers, no more login prompt

2010-03-26 Thread Thierry Carrez
Ricardo: I think you have a good point, could you please file a separate
bug about server boot process verbosity when it comes to init script
output ? And subscribe me to it.

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[Bug 506297] Re: Graphical Ubuntu logo enabled on servers, no more login prompt

2010-03-23 Thread Ricardo Duarte
Btw, if I start the scripts on the tty I can see the verbose output.
So, it's not like the scripts don't print the information anymore.
It looks more like upstart/plymouth/other is deliberately hiding this output.

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[Bug 506297] Re: Graphical Ubuntu logo enabled on servers, no more login prompt

2010-03-23 Thread Ricardo Duarte
This does not look like a good decision on a server installation.
Even without "quiet" and with "--verbose", all the info on screen is still 
lacking for a server.
I think that it would be much better to show the "Starting web server   
 [OK]" (like on Karmic) than not showing anything at all. 
Is it even possible to get this information on any log? /var/log/boot is empty.

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Re: [Bug 506297] Re: Graphical Ubuntu logo enabled on servers, no more login prompt

2010-03-15 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 20:13 +, Paul Elliott wrote:

> Colin, that is fair enough but it seems the level of output is too low
> for server environments. Is it possible to configure the amount of
> output with plymouth or would that also require changes to packages?
> 
The lack of output isn't anything to do with Plymouth; without "splash"
on the command-line Plymouth uses a backend that passes through all
console messages.

We simply don't have many console messages anymore during boot!

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[Bug 506297] Re: Graphical Ubuntu logo enabled on servers, no more login prompt

2010-03-12 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
This bug was fixed in the package plymouth - 0.8.0~-13

---
plymouth (0.8.0~-13) lucid; urgency=low

  [ Steve Langasek ]
  * Don't attach /proc/cmdline to apport reports, this is already in the
standard info that gets collected...

  [ Alberto Milone ]
  * ubuntu_logo theme:
- New logo from Otto Greenslade.
- Switch off dots starting from the ones on the left instead of
  switching them off all at once.

  [ Scott James Remnant ]
  * Move the Ubuntu logo up as discussed with Otto, this makes the mouse
cursor appear between the logo and dots and solves the optical illusion
of the logo being too low.  LP: #535014.
  * Don't include message about disk checks, which can come from mountall.
  * Drop the rc script splash functions, we don't want the SysV-rc compat
stuff messing around with the splash screen - this can be entirely
managed by Upstart now.  LP: #528787, #537262.

  * Plymouth Fix Mega Patch:
- This hasn't yet been broken up into enough bits to send upstream, and
  doesn't *quite* address all the issues yet, but it's a major step.

- Rewrite the VT handling, rather than abusing /dev/tty0 keep all VT
  operations on the actual VT (tty7), this avoids issues where we set
  the graphics mode of the wrong VT or put the wrong VT into VT_PROCESS
  mode.  LP: #520460, #522598, #526321, #533135
- Don't attempt VT switch when using non-VT consoles.
- Make VT mandatory for renderer plugins, so we fallback gracefully to
  text when the console is not a VT.  LP: #516825, #527083.
- Restore VT when finished displaying the splash unless plymouth quit
  is called with --retain-splash.  LP: #506297.
- Activate VT from text and details plugins, rather than haphardly in
  the main code, this means the textual boot is also on VT7.
  LP: #518352, #520122.
- Add a --has-active-vt command that can let gdm inquire whether it
  should reuse Plymouth's VT; fixes the issue where Plymouth has no
  visible splash screen and X ends up on VT1.  LP: #519641, #533572.

- Don't open terminal device in X11, fixes the issue where X will crash
  when debugging plugins using the X11 renderer.
- Add --tty option to plymouthd for debugging when X is running and
  thus using an alternate VT.

- Improve deactivate command so that the terminal is no longer watched
  for keyboard input, session is closed, etc.  LP: #528787, #531650.
- Ignore mode changes while deactivated, otherwise we can end up
  resetting the VT back into text mode while X is starting up.
  LP: #523788, #502509.

- Fix races with simultaneous quit and deactivate commands, or multiples
  of those commands.
- Ignore --show-splash, --hide-splash, etc. commands while deactivated.
- Add reactivate command for testing purposes.

- Don't scan out drm buffer contents to fbcon when not called with
  quit --retain-splash.  LP: #527180.

- Avoid resetting the terminal to unbuffered mode on every write, this
  results in setting X's VT into raw mode and results in the X server
  crashing on key presses.  LP: #532047, #534861, #519460, #520593,
  #522974, #525393

  * I'm aware that if you see the TEXT plugin, it's possible for Enter to
still crash the X server for some people.  I will be opening a new bug
for this, and would appreciate details from people affected.

  * If you have issues with Enter crashing the X server, and you see a
GRAPHICAL plugin, check that gdm is up to date - if it is, please
file new bugs.

  * I'm also aware of an issue where after boot, rather than seeing an X
server, you see the ordinary "login:" getty screen.  Pressing Alt+F7
should take you to X.  I will be opening a new bug for this, and would
appreciate details from people affected.

  * Don't send fsck progress updates to the boot-duration file.
  * Make all the dots orange just before starting the X server.

  * Cute text-version of the splash screen.
- Added basic support for fsck notification.
- Added support for showing keys information on separate lines.
 -- Scott James RemnantFri, 12 Mar 2010 19:02:54 +

** Changed in: plymouth (Ubuntu Lucid)
   Status: Triaged => Fix Released

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[Bug 506297] Re: Graphical Ubuntu logo enabled on servers, no more login prompt

2010-03-10 Thread Steve Langasek
Nothing here implies that serial consoles are unsupported or that you
aren't able to boot without a graphical splash screen - removing the
'splash' boot option should accomplish the latter, setting the correct
'console' boot option achieves the former.

This bug is strictly about the fact that the splash screen, which is
used by default, isn't cleared at the end of the boot sequence.

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[Bug 506297] Re: Graphical Ubuntu logo enabled on servers, no more login prompt

2010-03-10 Thread mwaltz
We're planning to run the server edition in our datacenters with serial
console connections, having a way to completely disable any type of
graphical boot and display console text only is essential to deploying
on enterprise grade hardware.

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[Bug 506297] Re: Graphical Ubuntu logo enabled on servers, no more login prompt

2010-03-05 Thread Mathieu Mitchell
I agree with #19. We need more verbose in a server environment in case
things go wrong.

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[Bug 506297] Re: Graphical Ubuntu logo enabled on servers, no more login prompt

2010-03-05 Thread Patrick Goetz
+1 for comment #13.  It would be nice to see a running console log of
processes being started, even if this is only of psychological benefit.

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[Bug 506297] Re: Graphical Ubuntu logo enabled on servers, no more login prompt

2010-03-02 Thread Thierry Carrez
Please see comment 8 above: the fix you are testing is not likely to be
the one that will be implemented.

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[Bug 506297] Re: Graphical Ubuntu logo enabled on servers, no more login prompt

2010-03-02 Thread Chris Jones
Disregards my last comment. I realized I had the attached file set to an
attributed executable txt file and not a conf file. Therefore, the
system did not seem to pick up the fast the file was there upon boot.
Fixed now though, nice work.

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[Bug 506297] Re: Graphical Ubuntu logo enabled on servers, no more login prompt

2010-03-02 Thread Chris Jones
So how come the proposed fix has not worked for me? I tried it several
times with no results.

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[Bug 506297] Re: Graphical Ubuntu logo enabled on servers, no more login prompt

2010-02-27 Thread Scott Evans
On both my servers here this has worked... +1 plymouth-console.conf

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[Bug 506297] Re: Graphical Ubuntu logo enabled on servers, no more login prompt

2010-02-24 Thread Scott James Remnant
** Changed in: plymouth (Ubuntu Lucid)
Milestone: lucid-alpha-3 => ubuntu-10.04-beta-1

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[Bug 506297] Re: Graphical Ubuntu logo enabled on servers, no more login prompt

2010-02-23 Thread saghaulor
+1 The plymouth-console.conf worked for me too!

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[Bug 506297] Re: Graphical Ubuntu logo enabled on servers, no more login prompt

2010-02-12 Thread Paul Elliott
Colin, that is fair enough but it seems the level of output is too low
for server environments. Is it possible to configure the amount of
output with plymouth or would that also require changes to packages?

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[Bug 506297] Re: Graphical Ubuntu logo enabled on servers, no more login prompt

2010-02-12 Thread Colin Watson
Paul, please refer to the previous comment from Steve.  It's more robust
in general for the init system to have a single way to interact with
users (by which I mean prompt for input, not merely produce output)
rather than needing to implement fallback mechanisms in every single
package that requires interaction.

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[Bug 506297] Re: Graphical Ubuntu logo enabled on servers, no more login prompt

2010-02-11 Thread Paul Elliott
+1 for comment #9 from Etienne.

Unless Plymouth is absolutely required for the boot process on a server
then I don't see what benefits it brings. Feel free to correct me
though. I would much rather see every kernel/boot message on a plain
text console for my servers. (The opposite applies of course for my
desktops!) The old method of removing 'quiet' and 'splash' from the
kernel parameters no longer seems to work either making debugging of
slow booting machines difficult as nothing is printed to the screen
unless an actual error occurs.

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[Bug 506297] Re: Graphical Ubuntu logo enabled on servers, no more login prompt

2010-02-10 Thread Steve Langasek
** Branch unlinked: lp:ubuntu/plymouth

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[Bug 506297] Re: Graphical Ubuntu logo enabled on servers, no more login prompt

2010-02-10 Thread Steve Langasek
Yes, plymouth is now the standard way for processes to interact with the
user at boot time in Ubuntu.  I think server users still care about
being able to interact with mountall and cryptsetup at boot time.

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[Bug 506297] Re: Graphical Ubuntu logo enabled on servers, no more login prompt

2010-02-10 Thread Etienne Goyer
Is there any good reason to have Plymouth in the Server Edition?  It is
fairly reasonable to assume that X will not be installed on the large
majority of servers, so what's the benefit of installing plymouth in the
first place?

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[Bug 506297] Re: Graphical Ubuntu logo enabled on servers, no more login prompt

2010-02-05 Thread Steve Langasek
** Changed in: plymouth (Ubuntu Lucid)
 Assignee: (unassigned) => Scott James Remnant (scott)

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[Bug 506297] Re: Graphical Ubuntu logo enabled on servers, no more login prompt

2010-02-01 Thread Steve Langasek
Sorry, according to Scott this fix is wrong; plymouthd is correctly
configured to exit on 'stopped rc RUNLEVEL=[2345]', but it's failing to
restore the video state on shutdown and do the VT switch.  Reverting the
previous change.

** Changed in: plymouth (Ubuntu Lucid)
   Status: Fix Committed => Triaged

** Changed in: plymouth (Ubuntu Lucid)
 Assignee: Steve Langasek (vorlon) => (unassigned)

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[Bug 506297] Re: Graphical Ubuntu logo enabled on servers, no more login prompt

2010-01-28 Thread Steve Langasek
** Changed in: plymouth (Ubuntu Lucid)
   Status: In Progress => Fix Committed

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[Bug 506297] Re: Graphical Ubuntu logo enabled on servers, no more login prompt

2010-01-27 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/plymouth

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[Bug 506297] Re: Graphical Ubuntu logo enabled on servers, no more login prompt

2010-01-27 Thread Joel Ebel
** Tags added: glucid

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[Bug 506297] Re: Graphical Ubuntu logo enabled on servers, no more login prompt

2010-01-27 Thread Joel Ebel
In case two confirmations wasn't enough, this fixes it for me as well.

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[Bug 506297] Re: Graphical Ubuntu logo enabled on servers, no more login prompt

2010-01-26 Thread Thierry Carrez
Works for me as well.

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[Bug 506297] Re: Graphical Ubuntu logo enabled on servers, no more login prompt

2010-01-26 Thread Igor Wawrzyniak
Fixed it for me. Thanks

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[Bug 506297] Re: Graphical Ubuntu logo enabled on servers, no more login prompt

2010-01-25 Thread Steve Langasek
Can the folks affected by this drop the attached job in their /etc/init,
and see whether it fixes the issue for you?  If so, we can package this
up in a 'plymouth-console' package or something that conflicts with x
-display-manager, and have it pulled into the server seed.

** Attachment added: "plymouth-console.conf"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/38378014/plymouth-console.conf

** Changed in: plymouth (Ubuntu Lucid)
 Assignee: (unassigned) => Steve Langasek (vorlon)

** Changed in: plymouth (Ubuntu Lucid)
   Status: Triaged => In Progress

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[Bug 506297] Re: Graphical Ubuntu logo enabled on servers, no more login prompt

2010-01-14 Thread Steve Langasek
Since the current behavior of plymouth is there in response to other
bugs, perhaps another solution here would be for the server to provide
another upstart job that runs at the end of the boot to chvt over to
VT1.  I'm not sure if that job should run when plymouth itself stops, or
if it should stop plymouth, but that seems a more reliable solution for
this problem given that plymouth itself can't assume that chvt 1 is the
desired behavior (since we may have gdm taking over at that point).

Whatever package shipped such a job should then Conflicts: gdm, kdm.

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[Bug 506297] Re: Graphical Ubuntu logo enabled on servers, no more login prompt

2010-01-13 Thread Mathias Gug
Marking as triaged. Booting on kvm doesn't show the graphical logo,
however the boot process switches to VT7 - with no logging prompt
available by default. Switching to VT1 shows a login prompt as mentioned
Thierry.

IMO, at the end of the Ubuntu Server boot process, there should be a
login prompt.

** Changed in: plymouth (Ubuntu Lucid)
   Status: Confirmed => Triaged

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[Bug 506297] Re: Graphical Ubuntu logo enabled on servers, no more login prompt

2010-01-12 Thread whoop
Just confirmed this with the ubuntu server lucid 64 bit Alpha 2
candidate...

** Changed in: plymouth (Ubuntu Lucid)
   Status: New => Confirmed

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[Bug 506297] Re: Graphical Ubuntu logo enabled on servers, no more login prompt

2010-01-12 Thread Ubuntu QA Website
** Tags added: iso-testing

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