[Bug 508632] Re: Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone
Upstream wontfixed the request, doing the same here ** Summary changed: - [FFe] Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone + Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone ** Changed in: nautilus (Ubuntu) Status: Triaged = Won't Fix -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/508632 Title: Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nautilus/+bug/508632/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 508632] Re: Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone
Ubuntu 10.04 Beta 2 with all updates to 15 April 2010. Can someone please tell me how to type or paste in smb://server/share or ftp://remoteserver or anything else into the breadcrumbs? Not having the option to toggle to text input/location bar and making it STICKY is stupid. I can CTRL-L or Go - Location, then type or paste, but when I hit Enter it goes back to breadcrumb mode. Grrr... Please put back the toggle button and make it sticky. Hamish -- Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/508632 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 508632] Re: Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone
This such a terrible decision for an LTS. I never use the breadcrumbs feature because it takes too long and is inflexible. ** Summary changed: - Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone + [FFe] Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone -- [FFe] Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/508632 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 508632] Re: Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone
The problem with Ctrl+L is, that almost nobody knows it. I found it here. And I am almost angry, that some developers who think they know better remove such a every-day use feature. Sometimes i like to paste a url, and when i know where i want to go, your much faster in text mode than with searching the folder. And no, Ctrl+L is not an option, it's a shortcut for powerusers. BTW you can leave the mode with Esc. -- Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/508632 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 508632] Re: Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone
I would definitely NOT want to put that button away and have an option in the preferences dialog. Because BOTH is USEFUL - I mostly use the breadcrumb, but sometimes also the text-input. -- Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/508632 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 508632] Re: Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone
The issue with Ctrl-L is that *it is not a toggle*. Once you enter text mode, you cannot press Ctrl-L again to move back to button mode. Yes, this was a very useful feature: enter text mode to navigate to some distant path, then go back to buttons when you reach that. A common use case: 1. say you are in ~/Desktop and wish to go to /etc/apt. With buttons, this is 3 cilcks (go up to root) and 2 double clicks (etc and apt). With text mode, it's one click (toggle text mode) and 8 letters (/etc/apt). 2. once you reach /etc/apt, say you wish to navigate forward and backward in directories that are close togethere (say, under /etc). Button mode is superior here, because it acts as a visual, short-term history (it shows the last few locations you visited under your current path, which is very useful when e.g. copying files or looking for something specific). This was yet another regular part of my daily workflow, now removed. Way to go, I guess. ( Troll mode on: Alt-F4 closes the window, plus we have a menu entry for Close. Why triplicate the functionality with a close button? It's superfluous. Troll mode off: in some cases, duplication is significantly more efficient. Removing the toggle button effectively removes any hint of this feature's existence from the majority of Gnome's user base. ) Do note that Windows Vista/7 has a more efficient implementation of this very feature: the address bar doubles up as a button bar (default mode) and a text bar (when clicked on the left or right). No button, similar functionality. In fact, this was one of the major improvements over the older, text-only address bar on Windows XP. -- Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/508632 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 508632] Re: Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone
In comparison with Vista/7 I prefer the way with the toggle button. And I think for the dummy user even easier to handle. -- Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/508632 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 508632] Re: Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone
When I first read that the button is gone, I thought what the hack, why do they remove it!. But after thinking about it: When I switch to that mode the very most likely thing is that I then need to touch the keyboard anyway - why else switch to the path edit mode? So when I am already know that I am going to touch the keyboard I also could already hit the hotkey to enter that mode. Originally it was mentioned that only the left ctrl-L works. Is this maybe because Lucid running in a Virtualbox to test it out? - Virtualbox is grabbing the right ctrl key as control key itself so this might be the reason (if virtualbox used by the OP - Ying Hu). However, there is at least one use case where I would not use the keybord - and that happens quite often in reality: Mark a folder in an email, web site or other terminal window - right mouse button - copy - switch to Nautilus - now missing button - right mouse button - paste. But: Even if I could do this with the mouse only until that point, the last thing is I need to go to the keyboard either and hit return because there is no GO button (as in the browser). So when the button comes back there should also come a go button (only in the text edit mode that GO button is needed). So anyway - although I didn't know about the ctrl-l and I would use that also in some cases I also want the button back - definitely. In general: I think it is dangerous trying to serve the DAU too much by reducing everything to the minimum - you may be end up serving only those DAUs and then the system is pretty useless. And: I don't think, people are really that stupid - there are a few things many people do easy mix up or just in the hurry forget (search and location bar in the browser for instance - even I face myself sometimes having put the focus on the wrong one by accident). While some things could be improved by leaving them away (and put the functionality somewhere else!) others are there for good reason. -- Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/508632 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 508632] Re: Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone
The problem with Ctrl+L is that this is not ergonomic, because you cannot find out (apart by going to a forum or bug report like this one) by yourself. When you want to do this, you are just going to fiddle around with the mouse to find a way to copy the path or paste it. If it is not obvious the reaction will most probably be (but I have made no investigation on that) unhappy users who will write by hand the path in their e-mail or just use the up buttons and folders to go to the right path. Before, with the button, it was not obvious either, but just by looking around you could find it easily. The same happen to me on Win7, I had to use it once at work, and I needed to copy the path to send it to someone, just a small fiddling and I found out (I already forgot, but that does not matter as it as easy to find) how to switch to text base pathname. So now that I know that Ctrl+L could do the trick, I'm fine, because I know. The problem is the ergonomics behind that. There is clearly no way to find out this shortcut! And there is no other way to do it. Therefore, this is not minimalist, this is subminimalist (implying unergonomics). PS: I'm not against the idea that only Ctrl+L is neccessary to switch. But I am for the idea that there should be a way to find that out without requiring Google or a forum help. -- Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/508632 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 508632] Re: Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone
In the menu at Go--Location there is the hotkey displayed. At least it is the same hotkey as in Firefox that makes it memorizable a bit better. But anyway I also didn't know about that hotkey in nautilus (and I am a hotkey-fanatic ;-) ). I think, most people are wishing both options - hotkey and having the button. I personally do not think that it produces so much clutter. The nautilus window menu and toolbar is already much cleaner than on Windows, so I (and I think most others too) don't see any really good reason for removing that button, right? -- Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/508632 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 508632] Re: Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone
Even more: We need the additional GO button when the location bar is in text mode rather than in breadcrumb mode! -- Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/508632 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 508632] Re: Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone
The problem with Ctrl+L is that this is not ergonomic, because you cannot find out (apart by going to a forum or bug report like this one) by yourself. it's a keybinding as any and written clearly next to the go menu entry which matches the action too... -- Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/508632 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 508632] Re: Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone
I just want the text-input. I never want to see those breadcrumb-buttons ever again. And I do not want to open gconftool. Control+L doesn't stick, and always defaults back to the breadcrumbs. I do believe removing the switch-button is a good idea, but it should be replaced with an option in the preferences dialog. -- Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/508632 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 508632] Re: Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone
Accessing the text version of the path is sometimes necessary when you want to copy in a email the full path to a directory. I even found out recently (I don't have Windows at home) that although Win7 is having something similar to the button you can easily toggle it to text to copy and paste it somewhere else. This is not perhaps useful for a home internet user, however at work I use it quite often. -- Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/508632 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 508632] Re: Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone
you can use ctrl-L for getting the entry easily -- Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/508632 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 508632] Re: Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone
True. But 1. The toggle mode is still lost. - Yes why would I ever want to toggle back? Suddenly I might find myself more comfortable browsing to the place anyway. Maybe I didn't remember it's correct path by heart? Now I must click some random Back or Parent directory button or browse somewhere to have it restored. 2. What kind of hand (or keyboard) am I supposed to have to feel comfortable to do CTRL L with my left hand already on the keyboard? L for Location I know but still. - The button was easy to reach with mouse pointer since I probably was browsing normally when I needed the feature, thus it was positioned 3-4cm below the button. Now I need to do some bizarre ninja move to find LCTRL L since it doesn't toggle with RCTRL. Wouldn't CTRL G then be better? If we're looking for UI elements that takes lot of space for something thats not commonly used I'd say remove the Delete sidebar button and replace it with the toggle button. I've never needed to delete the sidebar and if I ever needed to I could easily do that from View-Sidebar or even F9. Now I find myself deleting the sidebar instead of toggling to text mode since the Delete sidebar button is where I'd expect the toggle button to be. -- Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/508632 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 508632] Re: Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone
I can not understand why they don't put an option like this in the preferences window. Editing a few gconf-keys is not an option. -- Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/508632 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 508632] Re: Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone
But we do not want it to be enabled by default. I want to be able to toggle between the modes. I find the button really useful when I quickly want to type in and jump to /usr/share/whatever instead of navigating manually. On the other hand the default layout is really useful since you can middle click on parent parent directories and browse further in another tab. Alexander Larsson had an effective day with lots of commits. Put tabs at bottom has already been reverted upstream. This was the commit before that. Hopefully someone could revert these strange UI changes that bring few pros and many cons. I've never seen that button as something ugly or unnecessary. http://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?id=4b49aab5aa6a9ef9ab288ff2ce463affca1eacf2 This takes a lot of space for something thats not commonly used. Especially with two of it visible in split view mode. Maybe we should make a preference for it, but its not interesting in the main UI. -- Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/508632 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 508632] Re: Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone
use ctrl-L if you want to type something, you are using the keyboard anyway to type no? -- Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/508632 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 508632] Re: Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone
there is a gconf key you can enable to show the location entry by default -- Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/508632 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 508632] Re: Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone
This is absolutely a bad idea. Not only is the button gone, but I prefer the location string, rather than these silly little little drive buttons and you can't toggle anymore either! If I went to the location path string, and then wanted to get back... I can't!! And I have looked, but not found an option in gconfig-editor to set the location path string as default. Please put the button back!! Just because the icon wasn't ideal, doesn't mean you should remove the button altogether!! Geez! -- Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/508632 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 508632] Re: Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone
Im missing this feature as well -- Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/508632 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 508632] Re: Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone
Subscribe @Sebastien, even if it is an upstream choice, it is wrong. This should be put back immediately. -- Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/508632 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 508632] Re: Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone
Michael: you may say it's wrong, but the developers may not agree with that. Therefore it would be wrong to demand this change to be reversed immediately. Of course you could argue for your case and convince the Nautilus developers that you're right, or convince the Ubuntu Desktop team to include a patch to fix this, but that would require action from your side. You also could provide a patch that solves this bug. -- Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/508632 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 508632] Re: Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone
@Sebastien: Request to report to the Gnome developers done: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=608523 ** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #608523 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=608523 -- Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/508632 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 508632] Re: Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone
Michael: there was no need to report a new bug since there was already a report at GNOME Bugzilla: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=605608. -- Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/508632 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 508632] Re: Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone
This issue was already reported upstream, but I'm afraid the developers will not honour this request. I've linked this bug report; Bug Control is done here, I'm marking this as Triaged. ** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #605608 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=605608 ** Also affects: nautilus via https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=605608 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown ** Changed in: nautilus (Ubuntu) Status: New = Triaged -- Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/508632 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 508632] Re: Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone
Thank you for your bug report. The issue is an upstream one and it would be nice if somebody having it could send the bug the to the people writting the software (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Upstream/GNOME) ** Changed in: nautilus (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Wishlist ** Changed in: nautilus (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Ubuntu Desktop Bugs (desktop-bugs) -- Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/508632 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 508632] Re: Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone
you can tweak /apps/nautilus/preferences/always_use_location_entry in gconf-editor too if you want to use that by default -- Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/508632 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 508632] Re: Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone
(not sure if that's a bug or an upstream choice) -- Toggle button for Nautilus location field gone https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/508632 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
