[Bug 57863] Re: Ubuntu should have a floppy/network install option like Debian
This clearly requires no reverification from the bug reporter. Think about it! ** Changed in: debian-installer (Ubuntu) Status: Incomplete = Triaged -- Ubuntu should have a floppy/network install option like Debian https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/57863 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 57863] Re: Ubuntu should have a floppy/network install option like Debian
Thank you for taking the time to report this bug and helping to make Ubuntu better. You reported this bug a while ago and there hasn't been any activity in it recently. We were wondering if this is still an issue for you. Can you try with the latest Ubuntu release? Thanks in advance. ** Changed in: debian-installer (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = Incomplete -- Ubuntu should have a floppy/network install option like Debian https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/57863 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 57863] Re: Ubuntu should have a floppy/network install option like Debian
I would have thought installing via floppy disks is a bit outdated but now I miss them. I grabbed an old laptop with a dead, irreplaceable CD drive, and looking for an alternative. -- Ubuntu should have a floppy/network install option like Debian https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/57863 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 57863] Re: Ubuntu should have a floppy/network install option like Debian
Ok, I'll reopen and assign against debian-installer. I'm not sure that's the right package though. I've fixed the first broken link you mentioned. ** Changed in: Ubuntu Sourcepackagename: None = debian-installer Status: Rejected = Unconfirmed -- Ubuntu should have a floppy/network install option like Debian https://launchpad.net/bugs/57863 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 57863] Re: Ubuntu should have a floppy/network install option like Debian
Actually, right now Debian unstable doesn't support this either, for the same reason we've never been able to support it in Ubuntu; nobody's ever figured out how to squash the 2.6 kernel onto a floppy with enough of the installer to make it go. Patches welcome, but it's hard ... ** Changed in: debian-installer (Ubuntu) Importance: Untriaged = Wishlist Status: Unconfirmed = Confirmed -- Ubuntu should have a floppy/network install option like Debian https://launchpad.net/bugs/57863 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 57863] Re: Ubuntu should have a floppy/network install option like Debian
Oh, very good point, you've got me there. The ones I used *are* 2.4 based. I barely noticed that as I just worked around it without really thinking about it. Oh well, there goes my it should be pretty easy theory. I should have known better. Still, I *was* able to use the 2.4 Debian Sarge floppies to install Ubuntu 6.06, and it worked... That's gotta count for something. Thanks for thinking about this at least, everyone! And thanks for all the hard work on Ubuntu, it's great! -- Ubuntu should have a floppy/network install option like Debian https://launchpad.net/bugs/57863 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 57863] Re: Ubuntu should have a floppy/network install option like Debian
See http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Netboot or as the wiki is down the google cache http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:https%3A//help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Netboot ** Changed in: Ubuntu Status: Unconfirmed = Rejected -- Ubuntu should have a floppy/network install option like Debian https://launchpad.net/bugs/57863 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 57863] Re: Ubuntu should have a floppy/network install option like Debian
Yeah, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Netboot is one of the not pretty work-arounds [1]. My argument is that a successful installer should Just Work with the absolute minimal resources (physical and skills) on the installation side. In this day and age I'd say the minimum is a) a decent CD install (Live or otherwise) or b) a decent over-the-wire install with *nothing* but a reasonable Internet connection (OK and in this case a working floppy drive). If you don't have a working CD player or decent Internet connection, then you've got bigger problems than trying to install Ubuntu. Both https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Netboot and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LocalNet fail my test because they: 1) Require extra infrastructure that may not be present (a second PC). 2) Require some picky and specific configuration tweaks on that second PC, that may not be a) possible given the installer's skill, interest or time, or b) desirable for the given environment [2]. 3) Because of #1 and #2, the ability to do an install any time, any place, is more limited than it should be, granted in a small number of cases (bused CD only). 4) They are arguably less secure, since you're setting up tftp which is questionable security-wise, and you're creating an environment that makes it very simple to overwrite existing systems by accident, very easily. BAD IDEAS. Sure, it's fine *if* you remember to clean up after yourself... I think that this: 0) Using only 1 machine: 1) Download three (possibly four) floppy images 2) Burn the floppies using readily available software for Linux or Windows (including GUI varieties) 3) Reboot from floppy one, inserting the others as prompted 4) Do the install Is a lot less scary to a newbie than this: 0) Using at least two machines: 1) Install a particular (arguably non-standard) DHCP server 2) Configured it a given way (copy and paste from good directions; on the command line) 3) Install a tftp server 4) Copy install files into place 5) Extract files and change permissions as needed (command line) 6) Enable and configure the tftp server (copy and paste from good directions; on the command line) 7) Maybe turn off a firewall or create rules as necessary for any/all of the above to maybe work 8) Try to boot the target, using PXE (which, if it fails, probably does so pretty quietly and inexplicably) 9) Else go download some floppies, burn 'em, hope they work with your NIC (which you have to already know about) 10) If everything else worked right the first time g, start the install now Looking at that, I can see why some people think Linux is hard. Not what Ubuntu is shooting for, I think. I am capable of doing this a couple of different ways, that's not the problem. My argument is that for very little work a newbie who wants to try out Ubuntu on a marginal machine could have a MUCH nicer time of it. Anyone ever try to install Windows this way? (OK, OK, newer than Win95 anyway? :-) Won’t work; but Linux Can Do It! Maybe I'm nuts and the only person to think this, in which case I'll shut up and go away. It'll be interesting to see if anyone else finds and comments on this... Notes [1] Aside for the method itself, which I covered above, it has a broken links to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/QuickNetboot and http://www.heinous.org/index.php/Ubuntu_Notes, which I reported to [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2] I already have DHCP and I like how it's set up. I'm not about to munge my config to do something that I shouldn't need it for anyway. Likewise, tftp isn't allowed on my network. And even if I did set that stuff up in an isolated environment, it only works here, not if I happen to be at someone else's house. -- Ubuntu should have a floppy/network install option like Debian https://launchpad.net/bugs/57863 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
