[Bug 599283] Re: active tomboy note hangs (grayed out) frequently
While the cause of me filing this bug (notes grayed out while sync) it not fixed - it is intended by the devs and I can live with it - the aggressive sync happening more often than specified in the prefs is indeed fixed. User experience could be improved further by showing a message to the user while syncing (e.g. an grayish overlay "sync in progress" above the note). Eventually a "soft-sync" option could be implemented, where sync only happends in background (i.e. no note focused by the user). Personally, I don't really need the Xmin sync, but actually only once after I close the note. Anyways, I mark this one as fix released for tomboy(ubuntu) as well. ** Changed in: tomboy (Ubuntu) Status: New => Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/599283 Title: active tomboy note hangs (grayed out) frequently To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tomboy/+bug/599283/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 599283] Re: active tomboy note hangs (grayed out) frequently
** Changed in: tomboy Status: Confirmed => Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/599283 Title: active tomboy note hangs (grayed out) frequently To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tomboy/+bug/599283/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 599283] Re: active tomboy note hangs (grayed out) frequently
Welcome back, Sandy - and thanks for your hard work on tomboy/droid :) Meanwhile I was thinking about "nice but simple" ways to improve the tomboy-autosync experience. 1) A "sync in progress" message is the easiest way to explain what happens. Stupid users like me would not file bugs. 2) Instead of triggering new timers when the note is edited, tomboy should sync every N min, but delay sync whenever a note is edited. Starvation could be prevented by decreasing the delay over time or forcing a sync after 2*N min? Whenever a starving note loses focus, a immediate sync could be forced - this way most syncs are not blocking the user. Only if the user continuously edits a note for more than 2*N minutes without switching to other programs... this would never happen for me. 3) Buffered editing and two layers :-P Ok, ok. Ignore this one. -- active tomboy note hangs (grayed out) frequently https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/599283 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 599283] Re: active tomboy note hangs (grayed out) frequently
** Changed in: tomboy Status: Unknown => Confirmed ** Changed in: tomboy Importance: Unknown => Low -- active tomboy note hangs (grayed out) frequently https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/599283 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 599283] Re: active tomboy note hangs (grayed out) frequently
Sorry, I basically took the summer off. Planning a fix for this cycle as I work on overall sync experience and Tomboy Online. Please see upstream bug. ** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #632615 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=632615 ** Also affects: tomboy via https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=632615 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown -- active tomboy note hangs (grayed out) frequently https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/599283 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 599283] Re: active tomboy note hangs (grayed out) frequently
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:30 AM, nZain wrote: > I can now definetly confirm, that the lock occured more often than the > sync interval. I've set the interval to 10minutes, but the lock occured > twice in a row after edits within less than two minutes. Thanks for checking this; clearly we're syncing too aggressively in this case. I'll try to get a fix in for the next development release. Sandy -- active tomboy note hangs (grayed out) frequently https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/599283 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 599283] Re: active tomboy note hangs (grayed out) frequently
I can now definetly confirm, that the lock occured more often than the sync interval. I've set the interval to 10minutes, but the lock occured twice in a row after edits within less than two minutes. -- active tomboy note hangs (grayed out) frequently https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/599283 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 599283] Re: active tomboy note hangs (grayed out) frequently
Since I now know, how it works (and made my own thoughts), I'm fine with the technique. I agree, that the double-layer to separate sync-locks and editing is tricky to implement. (1) Probably it is useful to tell the users, that this lock will happen - as the typical user does not know about sync problems and he wouldn't expect it. (2) When you skip over the code, have a look if the sync lock can appear more often than the sync interval (this was my feeling). Other than that, this bug can be closed. Thanks for your quick replys, Sandy. -- active tomboy note hangs (grayed out) frequently https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/599283 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 599283] Re: active tomboy note hangs (grayed out) frequently
Sorry, sync is currently designed as a transaction with the server, so you cannot be allowed to edit a note while a transaction is in progress. It will be non-trivial to change this. The slow speed has to do mostly with the speed of the U1 servers. Skimming through the code, it's possible that we set it to always do a sync 1 minute after you are done editing a note, which is perhaps a bit aggressive. I need to review the code in a bit more detail, it's been awhile since I wrote this. The search window stuff is covered in other Launchpad bugs and appears to be Ubuntu-specific. -- active tomboy note hangs (grayed out) frequently https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/599283 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 599283] Re: active tomboy note hangs (grayed out) frequently
Actually, sync on startup doesn't make too much sense (its too hot today). Sync on shutdown won't work properly, I guess. Too bad :-( -- active tomboy note hangs (grayed out) frequently https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/599283 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 599283] Re: active tomboy note hangs (grayed out) frequently
Alternatively - can I run the sync on startup, only? Also, I wouldn't mind a longer shutdown time because tomboy tries to sync be4 shutdown (not sure, if that would work - depends on "when" tomboy/network is shutdown and if the OS is waiting for orderly shutdown). I haven't found anything useful in tomboys arguments (which also lack "--without-search-window"). Looking at the gconf entries, I can't find a simple "enabled=true/false" flag. What happens, when I increase the autosync_timeout to an insane value? Does tomboy sync on startup, then start the timer (which would be fine), or the other way around, i.e. start the timer and sync afterwards? -- active tomboy note hangs (grayed out) frequently https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/599283 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 599283] Re: active tomboy note hangs (grayed out) frequently
ok, I see. But it is possible to separate ubuntu one sync's lock and the actual note being edited by a second layer - like tomboy saves the notes in an specific interval and thaat should be way faster than ~5 secs, and intermittently u1 syncs the notes currently on HDD (not memory). I don't say it is easy, but it is possible. Maybe someone has the time and motivation to do it. Btw, this does not happen every 10min (auto sync interval), but every 3 mins or somehting like that. Actually, I turned off auto sync because this is too anoying (superfast internet connection here, still takes several seconds). Maybe this can be put to the whichlist? best Pat -- active tomboy note hangs (grayed out) frequently https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/599283 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 599283] Re: active tomboy note hangs (grayed out) frequently
BTW, a good bug to file would be to make it more clear that this is happening because a sync is in progress. -- active tomboy note hangs (grayed out) frequently https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/599283 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 599283] Re: active tomboy note hangs (grayed out) frequently
This is not a bug. You have turned on automatic synchronization, and this is how it works. You cannot edit notes while a sync is in progress. Try picking a longer sync interval if you find this annoying. We've made it so it will never happen while you're actively editing a note, but if a sync is "due", it will occur ~1 minute after you stop editing. -- active tomboy note hangs (grayed out) frequently https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/599283 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 599283] Re: active tomboy note hangs (grayed out) frequently
Without ubuntu one sync, this seems not to happen (not entirely sure, since I'm reading in parallel to editing - tested for ~1hour). -- active tomboy note hangs (grayed out) frequently https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/599283 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 599283] Re: active tomboy note hangs (grayed out) frequently
** Attachment added: "Dependencies.txt" http://launchpadlibrarian.net/51023784/Dependencies.txt -- active tomboy note hangs (grayed out) frequently https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/599283 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
