[Bug 601299] Re: maverick btrfs slow install

2011-01-24 Thread Andy Whitcroft
There are a number of factors in play here.  btrfs is not production
ready in the Maverick kernels, it is slow in general and very slow in
the face of an fsync centric load.  Btrfs was enabled in the installer
as an experimental feature, as a technology preview, and as such it is
not likely anyone is going to work to backport any performance fixes to
Maverick.  For Natty we are expecting some direct improvements from
layout improvements, and from upstream fixes.  Closing off the Maverick
task Won't Fix.

** Also affects: linux (Ubuntu Maverick)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu Maverick)
 Assignee: (unassigned) = Andy Whitcroft (apw)

** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu Maverick)
   Importance: Undecided = Low

** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided = Low

** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu Maverick)
   Status: New = Won't Fix

** Summary changed:

- maverick btrfs slow install
+ btrfs slow install

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Re: [Bug 601299] Re: maverick btrfs slow install

2011-01-14 Thread Chris Halse Rogers
On Thu, 2011-01-13 at 17:36 +, James Lewis wrote:
 If this is as a result of dpkg calling fsync a lot, un-necessarily...
 then perhaps we should consider this partly an issue with dpkg as well
 as with btrfs?... I might even go so far as to say that it could be
 described as a bug in other filesystems which are not honouring the
 fsync call?

Other filesystems *are* honouring the fsync call (you can check by
preloading libeatmydata); btrfs is just desperately slow when something
fsyncs a lot.

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[Bug 601299] Re: maverick btrfs slow install

2011-01-13 Thread Arne Bockholdt
Still present in Natty, latest nightly build.

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[Bug 601299] Re: maverick btrfs slow install

2011-01-13 Thread James Lewis
If this is as a result of dpkg calling fsync a lot, un-necessarily...
then perhaps we should consider this partly an issue with dpkg as well
as with btrfs?... I might even go so far as to say that it could be
described as a bug in other filesystems which are not honouring the
fsync call?

I welcome comments on that, but having read this thread... I'm not sure
this is 100% the fault of btrfs.

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[Bug 601299] Re: maverick btrfs slow install

2011-01-13 Thread RussianNeuroMancer
Probably Arne Bockholdt is right. I test Natty in VM, then maybe I
mistake. I missed commentary six.

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[Bug 601299] Re: maverick btrfs slow install

2011-01-06 Thread Gary T. Giesen
Any chance of a backport?

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[Bug 601299] Re: maverick btrfs slow install

2011-01-05 Thread RussianNeuroMancer
Looks like not problem anymore since Natty.

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[Bug 601299] Re: maverick btrfs slow install

2010-11-29 Thread Andrey Yurchuk
It won't be fixed earlier than 11.04 is out, as per this info:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/btrfs#Stability

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[Bug 601299] Re: maverick btrfs slow install

2010-11-18 Thread bsfmig
My confirmation too.Too slow to wait for the installation to complete.

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[Bug 601299] Re: maverick btrfs slow install

2010-11-10 Thread jdobry
Just one more confirmation. Unbelievably slow.

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[Bug 601299] Re: maverick btrfs slow install

2010-10-20 Thread Ken Bloom
I did a related benchmark on a Debian unstable system (with dpkg
1.15.8.5 and linux-image-2.6.35-trunk-amd64) and an ext3/4 file system.
Here were the results:

This affects my ext3/4 filesystem (ext3 mounted with the ext4 driver,
but none of the advanced ext4 features enabled) as well. Iin a
cowbuilder chroot (with all of the packages pre-cached by apt-cacher-
ng):

  # time eatmydata apt-get install –no-install-recommends openoffice.org
  0 upgraded, 142 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
  …
  real 0m57.682s
  user 0m37.030s
  sys 0m7.220s

  # time apt-get install –no-install-recommends openoffice.org
  0 upgraded, 142 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
  …
  real 3m17.158s
  user 0m37.186s
  sys 0m11.057s

Over three times as long. So maybe you're getting a double hit with
btrfs, but the first hit that dpkg is giving you on *any* filesystem is
pretty bad to begin with.

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[Bug 601299] Re: maverick btrfs slow install

2010-10-10 Thread Robin van Leeuwen
Ok, 10.10 is just released and I downloaded it. I tried installing it
with / on btrfs and after 5 hours the install was at 75%. This is on a
AMD Turion II Dual Core M500 with 6 GB. My / was 550 GB.

It's a shame this issue wasn't resolved before releasing Maverick and
this will hurt BTRFS adoption for sure. IMHO this should never had been
released in this fashion since this bug was already reported in the
Alpha release. Why bother with alpha and beta releases when isssues like
this are not resolved. Sorry if this sounds like a rant, but a
filesystem is a essential part of every setup and it should either work
correctly or it shouldn't be a option during install (to say the
least).

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[Bug 601299] Re: maverick btrfs slow install

2010-09-25 Thread Brian Rogers
Constant calls to sync and fsync by dpkg are what slow down btrfs so
much. If you want to try dpkg with syncing removed, I made a PPA for
that: https://launchpad.net/~brian-rogers/+archive/btrfs

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[Bug 601299] Re: maverick btrfs slow install

2010-09-25 Thread Abram Hindle
I don't think it is just btrfs. I am using XFS on top of software raid 1
in Maverick, and if I am doing any disk I/O (e.g. a big copy) dpkg will
take a very long time to unpack. Stopping the disk I/O often won't solve
the problem (maybe patience will).

I installed Brian Roger's dangerous sync free dpkg and I could install
packages with heavy disk I/O without any significant lag or latency.
dpkg Unpack would not wait for long periods with D - Uninterruptible
sleep status.

* XFS on RAID 1 
* dpkg was slow to install during high I/O
* dpkg w/o sync/fsync worked fine
* During the first installation it was also very slow.

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[Bug 601299] Re: maverick btrfs slow install

2010-09-22 Thread Dave Johnson
I'm experiencing this on Maverick Beta.  I installed the 64-bit beta of
10.10 last night with btrfs on / and /home leaving /boot on ext4
and now that I've gotten around to running the update manager I'm into
hour 4 of the process.  I first noticed the slowness when using Firefox
to search for some suitable wallpaper to replace the default that looks
like someone's nose bled on my screen, but this deal with the update
manager takes the cake.

I have a quad-core AMD Phenom CPU with 8GB of memory and a standard
7200rpm SATA drive.

I'm normally very willing to deal with bugs in an effort to help weed
them out, but I get considerably better performance on a fifteen-year-
old machine running WattOS.  It may have been premature to include btrfs
in this release.

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[Bug 601299] Re: maverick btrfs slow install

2010-09-11 Thread Giovanni Condello
Same issue here with the latest 2.6.35.
Any news?

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[Bug 601299] Re: maverick btrfs slow install

2010-09-08 Thread RussianNeuroMancer
Any news about other additional patches for slow 2.6.35 btrfs?

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[Bug 601299] Re: maverick btrfs slow install

2010-08-23 Thread James Lewis
Looks like the patch above may not be the answer, or certainly not the
complete answer... keep an eye on the mailing list for updates!

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[Bug 601299] Re: maverick btrfs slow install

2010-08-21 Thread David Nielsen
** Tags added: patch

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[Bug 601299] Re: maverick btrfs slow install

2010-08-21 Thread Bráulio
@james
that would be rather nice

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[Bug 601299] Re: maverick btrfs slow install

2010-08-20 Thread Tournier Mathieu
Same problem with my dell xps 1640 : dpkg is very slow, so updates are
abnormally slow... (same problem with 2.6.36 rc1)

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[Bug 601299] Re: maverick btrfs slow install

2010-08-20 Thread Rocko
The patch posted by Chris Mason on the btrfs mailing list
http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.file-systems.btrfs (patch attached)
makes a huge difference on my Maverick VM.

My test case was to turn off the host SATA cache for the VM and then
install a hefty package (netbeans in this case). atop showed avio maxing
out at 2ms during the install compared to the 20-30ms I was seeing with
the stock kernel.

** Patch added: slowbtrfsfix-patch.diff
   
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/601299/+attachment/1506559/+files/slowbtrfsfix-patch.diff

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[Bug 601299] Re: maverick btrfs slow install

2010-08-20 Thread James Lewis
Can we request that Canonical ensure this patch is in the kernel shipped
with Maverick for release as having a serious problem with BTRFS in
10.10 would be a serious setback to the filesystem in Ubuntu.

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[Bug 601299] Re: maverick btrfs slow install

2010-08-19 Thread ks64
Trying to 'sudo apt-get upgrade' takes upwards of ~2-3 hours on my Acer
Aspire One AOA110 with Ubuntu 10.10 Alpha 3 and btrfs. In particular,
when there is over 100 packages to install, I just let the updates
install overnight, and in some cases it's still not done.

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[Bug 601299] Re: maverick btrfs slow install

2010-08-17 Thread Bráulio
hope to see a kernel patch available and applied to maverick soon!

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[Bug 601299] Re: maverick btrfs slow install

2010-08-17 Thread Anthony Hook
Added tags from my first previous bug.

** Tags added: filesystem maverick

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[Bug 601299] Re: maverick btrfs slow install

2010-08-17 Thread Anthony Hook
When installing, it took over 12 hours to complete the setup. I have two
ASUS-PHISON SSDs in this netbook. After seeing this:
https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/FAQ#Is_Btrfs_optimized_for_SSD.3F
I tried to add 'ssd' to my options in fstab, but this still does not
help.

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[Bug 601299] Re: maverick btrfs slow install

2010-08-17 Thread Rocko
On a btrfs-related note, the developers have only just realised that it
might be worth advising btrfs users of the following caveat (see the
wiki at https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page):

Note that Btrfs does not yet have a fsck tool that can fix errors.
While Btrfs is stable on a stable machine, it is currently possible to
corrupt a filesystem irrecoverably if your machine crashes or loses
power on disks that don't handle flush requests correctly. This will be
fixed when the fsck tool is ready.

ie it is ridiculously easy to lose an entire partition!

@James: I can confirm what Conn said in comment #9: when I tried the
Maverick btrfs install in a VirtualBox environment, it ran chronically
slowly until I enabled the host disk cache, and now it runs at normal
speed.

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[Bug 601299] Re: maverick btrfs slow install

2010-08-09 Thread James Lewis
This issue seems to have been picked up by Phoronix also...

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=ODQ4Nw

Lets hope that Canonical will backport whatever fix is forthcoming
before the release of Maverick, otherwise it seems this could set back
the testing and ultimate adoption of BTRFS in Ubuntu by 6 months.

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[Bug 601299] Re: maverick btrfs slow install

2010-08-09 Thread Conn O Griofa
James,

In comment #6 you mentioned that you experience no btrfs slowdowns in a
virtualized environment. That's probably because btrfs is running on an
underlying filesystem, with a separate caching mechanism by the physical
hard disk and host OS's handling of your disk. The net effect seems to
mitigate whatever performance issues exist with btrfs, as opposed to
what happens when used directly on bare metal.

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[Bug 601299] Re: maverick btrfs slow install

2010-08-08 Thread Timo Aaltonen
** Package changed: linux-meta (Ubuntu) = linux (Ubuntu)

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[Bug 601299] Re: maverick btrfs slow install

2010-08-07 Thread James Lewis
I can confirm this... on a thinkpad T61p, running Alpha 3 both the
install and subsequent patching is outrageously slow on BTRFS.

What I did notice is that testing in Virtualbox on Lucid on the same
hardware prior to installing for real did not show any slowness what so
ever!

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[Bug 601299] Re: maverick btrfs slow install

2010-08-07 Thread James Lewis
I've found reference to what I believe is this issue on the BTRFS
mailing list... it seems that there may be a significant performance
regression in certain configurations, but Chris Mason has identified the
cause, and it should be patched... the issue for many of us of course is
that Maverick is frozen on the 2.6.35 kernel and so if this is the
issue, we may not see a fix before 2.6.36 unless canonical backport it,
which may not happen since it's not officially supported... :(

I have posted a link to this bug to the btrfs mailing list thread to
confirm that the problem is not just theoretical:-

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[Bug 601299] Re: maverick btrfs slow install

2010-07-12 Thread Anthony Hook
I'm marking this bug I opened
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/600846 as a
duplicate.

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[Bug 601299] Re: maverick btrfs slow install

2010-07-07 Thread Artem Chudinov
Setting up is very slow, too. But tar -jxvf has same speed as of ext4.

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[Bug 601299] Re: maverick btrfs slow install

2010-07-07 Thread toobuntu
The slowness is not just with installation of the OS, sudo aptitude
safe-upgrade takes a very long time if there are a decent number of pkgs
to upgrade. Seems to be an issue with dpkg. Unpacking and setting up are
where the slowness is most noticeable.

BTW, the problem the fedora user had with yum described in the link in
comment #1 seems to have been resolved with a newer kernel version
(2.6.31.4-88.fc12.x86_64). Even lucid is on 2.6.32.

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[Bug 601299] Re: maverick btrfs slow install

2010-07-04 Thread toobuntu
the btrfs (filesystem) is in the linux kernel, btrfs-tools provides
userland tools for working with the filesystem (like taking snapshots,
defragmenting, etc.)

** Package changed: btrfs-tools (Ubuntu) = linux-meta (Ubuntu)

** Changed in: linux-meta (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Confirmed

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[Bug 601299] Re: maverick btrfs slow install

2010-07-03 Thread priya
** Package changed: ubuntu = btrfs-tools (Ubuntu)

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[Bug 601299] Re: maverick btrfs slow install

2010-07-03 Thread Conn O Griofa
I can confirm the same issue; installation via the alpha 2 32bit
alternate media takes ~2 hours when installing to a btrfs partition,
compared to ~15 minutes to ext4. I'm not sure that system specs are
necessary, because I don't think this is a bug (or if it is, it should
be addressed upstream).

There's an old thread on the linux-btrfs list[1] which mentions a
similar problem, so perhaps btrfs' performance characteristics are
unfavourable towards file activity related to package
unpacking/installation.

[1] http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-
bt...@vger.kernel.org/msg03104.html

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