[Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-26 Thread joopbraak
@bjb1959
So you don't mind if somebody messes with the personal email correspondence you 
have with your friends, colleagues and family?

You wouldn't mind if the post-office adds Eat more hamburgers at
McDonalds under every postcard you send?

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[Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-26 Thread joopbraak
@bjb1959
People care about Ubuntu, that's why they complain. Obviously you don't.

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Re: [Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-26 Thread Scott Kitterman
This is done. Please take further discussion elsewhere.

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[Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-26 Thread C de-Avillez
Marking as Opinion -- fix is implemented already, and reverts bug
615300.

** Changed in: evolution (Ubuntu Maverick)
   Status: Fix Released = Opinion

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[Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-26 Thread Scott Kitterman
No. The bug is fixed and this is not a discussion forum.

** Changed in: evolution (Ubuntu Maverick)
   Status: Opinion = Fix Released

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[Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-20 Thread Prateek Karandikar
Ubuntu sticking on advertisements at the end of messages by default
looks very unprofessional. I hope the change is undone before the final
release.

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[Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-20 Thread Hernando Torque
A signature is bound to an account, so why not add its definition to the
account setup process and prepopulate it with Sent from Ubuntu,
similar like the hostname is prepopulated during the Ubuntu
installation?

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[Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-20 Thread michal.gregor
Have I missed something? When exactly has Ubuntu turned from is and
always will be absolutely free to adware? :D :D

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[Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-20 Thread Dante
I can see both sides of this here; on a side note I've already appended
that line to my own sig. Partly to help advertise Ubuntu, but also
because I am making a small name for myself as a technician and if I
introduce people to Ubuntu I imagine it helps if they know I use it too.

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Re: [Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-20 Thread Valeryan_24
  Hello,

I also agree: this could be a good idea even if choice is clearly 
proposed to the user when he first configures his account on Evolution.

Of course it can easily be changed, but for new users, and those who 
will use Ubuntu for professional work, it should not be hidden by 
default, as opensource mind it has to be opened and optional.

Best regards,

Xavier

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[Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-20 Thread Roshan George
Oh dear god, please remove this. It makes the user look like a total
jerk. Just the other day, my dad remarked to me that he'd find it
terribly embarrassing if his phone added Sent from my Nokia to
everything like the Blackberries and iPhones. That text sounds so
obnoxious.

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[Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-20 Thread CiaranG
In one way, this doesn't affect me because I don't use Evolution. In
another way, it affects me greatly because the fact that it's been done
makes me mistrust Ubuntu. What do I do now, either a) watch every single
future change to any packages I use in case someone thinks it's a good
idea to use them as a vehicle to make me spam my contacts and look like
an idiot in the process, or b) switch all my machines back to Debian?

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[Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-20 Thread hnrkg
This is definitely a move in the wrong direction. It should be up to the
users to define the content of the signature of their e-mails. Ubuntu
has nothing to do with the contents of it's users signatures! If it
would be relevant for the user to have this kind of information in the
signature, the user would add it himself. I don't think that this even
should be an option to add this kind signature.

Advertising should be done elsewhere, not in users e-mails. It is just
cheap.

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[Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-20 Thread bjb1959
OMG people.. Really?? you have nothing better to do with your day then
fret over whether or not there is a default signature in a sent email??
REALLY I have an idea. don't use Evolution or, better yet, don't use
Ubuntu. I get those little blackberry and iPhone messages all the time
and I must say I have never even given them a second thought. Maybe that
is because I am just not as enlightened as all of you are. I use Ubuntu
with Thunderbird and Gmail (mostly just Gmail though) and I couldn't
care less if they want to stick a default signature in emails on
Evolution. If it bothers you turn it off... If you are ashamed that you
use Ubuntu then turn it off...

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[Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-20 Thread aleth
Really bad move. It's tacky and will just annoy new users.

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[Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-20 Thread Dmitry Divius Tantsur
What a terrible microsoftish decision!

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[Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-20 Thread Robbie Williamson
Is it possible to set it as the default signature, but not enable the
signature feature by default?  This way users will have the choice
upfront as to whether or not they want to promote this totally awesome,
FOSS supporting, completely ZERO cost operating system, called Ubuntu in
their signature line or not.

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[Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-20 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
** Branch linked: lp:~ubuntu-desktop/evolution/ubuntu

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[Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-20 Thread Rick Spencer
Didier,

could you please do as Robbie suggests? Thanks.

** Changed in: evolution (Ubuntu Maverick)
 Assignee: (unassigned) = Didier Roche (didrocks)

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[Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-20 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
This bug was fixed in the package evolution - 2.30.3-1ubuntu3

---
evolution (2.30.3-1ubuntu3) maverick; urgency=low

  * debian/patches/01_ubuntu_signature.patch: (LP: #642839)
- don't set the ubuntu signature as default for new accounts
 -- Didier Roche didro...@ubuntu.com   Mon, 20 Sep 2010 16:25:26 +0200

** Changed in: evolution (Ubuntu Maverick)
   Status: Triaged = Fix Released

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[Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-20 Thread Amedee Van Gasse
Subscribing.

I agree with the suggestion that Robbie made:
1. Set a default signature string
2. Do not enable signatures by default

That way, when a user wants to set a signature, he doesn't get an empty
text box. It's still up to the individual choice user to use the default
sig, or a personalized sig.

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[Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-20 Thread Rick Spencer
@Amedee: For clarity, this is exactly the change described in comment
#30, and why the bug is now set to Fixed.

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[Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-20 Thread Cory Zerwas
Glad to see a sensible decision was made to remove this default
behavior.

It's a bit embarrassing that this Sent from Ubuntu crap made it into a
final cut.  Someone must have merged it while drunk.  Stay classy,
Ubuntu.  You've encouraged me to check out other distros again.

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[Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-20 Thread Paul Sladen
Cory: perhaps it would be worth focusing on the speed at which this fix
was applied and a new version deployed after it was brought to people's
attention and highlighted as an issue.  This is the reason why testing
the distribution is important and feeding back /any/ problems (however
small) to the bug tracker is important.  The more people who test, the
quicker issues can be addressed.

If an issue isn't written down, it is very hard to fix it!  In this
case, once it was written down, it was addressed very quickly.

** Description changed:

- The Evolution package in Ubuntu 10.10 was patched to apply a signature
- of Sent from Ubuntu for new users (as implemented in bug #615300).
- This bug report is the mirror to that report and requests
- removal/reversion.
+ The Evolution package in Ubuntu 10.10 /was/ briefly patched (for new
+ accounts/installs created between 2010-08-27 and 2010-09-20) to apply a
+ signature of Sent from Ubuntu for new users (as implemented in bug
+ #615300).  This bug report is the mirror to the original report and
+ requested that the signature be added to the list of available
+ signatures, but not used unless the user explicitly requests it.
  
  Rationale: Evolution definitely shouldn't add this signature by default.
  A large number of users are against having such an unprofessional
  looking, rude, obnoxious and useless signature enabled by default.
  Evolution should let the user choose whether they wish to boast about
  their Operating System. The signature should be added only if the user
  approves the addition, since a lot of people have many different reasons
  not to include this signature.
  
  The upload that added the Sent from Ubuntu signature occurred at
  T-minus six weeks before release.
  
  evolution (2.30.2-1ubuntu2) maverick; urgency=low
  
-   * debian/patches/01_ubuntu_signature.patch,
- debian/signature.py:
- - define an Ubuntu signature which writes Sent from Ubuntu, the 
signature
-   is in the list but not default yet for new accounts, that should change
-   before the end of the cycle
-   (lp: #615300)
-  -- Sebastien Bacher seb...@ubuntu.com Fri, 27 Aug 2010 00:07:56 +0200
+   * debian/patches/01_ubuntu_signature.patch,
+ debian/signature.py:
+ - define an Ubuntu signature which writes Sent from Ubuntu, the 
signature
+   is in the list but not default yet for new accounts, that should change
+   before the end of the cycle
+   (lp: #615300)
+  -- Sebastien Bacher seb...@ubuntu.com Fri, 27 Aug 2010 00:07:56 +0200
  
  Based on the first 1,000+ contributors to the following poll, 75% are against 
the signature (the same ratio is present on the UbuntuForums):
-   
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/09/sent-from-ubuntu-signature-to-be-added-to-all-mail-sent-from-evolution/
+   
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/09/sent-from-ubuntu-signature-to-be-added-to-all-mail-sent-from-evolution/

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Re: [Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-20 Thread Scott Kitterman
Paul,

Since the follow on change was directed by the same Canonical manager
that directed the original change, I think claiming this bug pointed any
technical issues to anyone is stretching things.

This change was only needed because a late change was pushed into the
release outside of existing processes. All this really demonstrates is
the disconnect between some Canonical management and the rest of the
community. It should have been immediately obvious that this was a bad
idea.

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[Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-20 Thread Paul Sladen
ScottK: can you think of a faster way of getting this fixed than a
manager of a commercial company assigning and directing (comment #29)
one of the developers in their charge to handle this issue as a top-
priority, and in the manner _recommended_ by one of the release team
(comment #28), a team of which you are also a member?

Without being drawn on whether the original implementation was a good
idea, a bad idea, or a mediocre idea (either way).  The person who
submitted the original request (probably on behalf of a third party...)
ensured that it continued to be dealt with when the community
highlighted that the proposal might be sub-optimal.  I think the outcome
above shows responsiveness and, in this instance, a willingness to eat
one's humility.

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Re: [Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-20 Thread Scott Kitterman
I agree.  My point was that this isn't a usual bug where someone finds a 
problem and then resources need to be brought onto the problem to identify and 
resolve it.  This is a case where the usual processes were bypassed to do 
something that at best hadn't been fully considered.  

I do wonder, given that the suggested resolution came from a member of the 
release team, if this entire mess might have been avoided if the existing 
processes for post feature freeze design changes had been followed.

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[Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-19 Thread Paul Sladen
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 615300 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/615300

** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 615300
   Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu
 * You can subscribe to bug 615300 by following this link: 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/615300/+subscribe

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[Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-19 Thread timesarehard4dreamers
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 615300 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/615300

Agreed

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[Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-19 Thread Maia Kozheva
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 615300 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/615300

Why was this marked as a duplicate? It is the exact opposite of that
other bug.

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[Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-19 Thread Julien Olivier
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 615300 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/615300

It was marked as a duplicate so that this one can be ignored, and the
other one can stay fixed forever :) Marketing really seems to always
destroy what it touches, event when it's free. Sad, very sad...

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[Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-19 Thread Matt
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 615300 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/615300

I set it to not be a duplicate on the assumption that it was
automatically marked as such by some piece of software. If I've
overstepped my boundaries, I apologise.

** This bug is no longer a duplicate of bug 615300
   Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 615300
   Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu
 * You can subscribe to bug 615300 by following this link: 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/615300/+subscribe

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[Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-19 Thread Matt
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 615300 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/615300

Very sorry about this. I checked the activity log and it seems the
marking was done by a respected Launchpad user. I've now put it back to
the previous value, and have learned my lesson!

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[Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-19 Thread Charlie Kravetz
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 615300 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/615300

Can anyone confirm that the signature block is being placed in
evolution? If not, this is not valid, until such time as that actually
happens.

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[Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-19 Thread Alin Andrei
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 615300 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/615300

@Charlie Kravetz: I can confirm this. I've just reset (gconftool-2
--recursive-unset /apps/evolution) my Evolution settings in Maverick and
the signature is here already.

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[Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-19 Thread Alin Andrei
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 615300 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/615300

Here is a screenshot too:
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_1QSDkzYY2vc/TJZ0ZsohNQI/B8k/FGa4sEuY0Zw
/sent-from-ubuntu.png (from here:
http://www.webupd8.org/2010/09/ubuntu-1010-to-add-sent-using-ubuntu.html
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[Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-19 Thread Charlie Kravetz
** This bug is no longer a duplicate of bug 615300
   Set and/or enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu

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[Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-19 Thread Charlie Kravetz
This is not a duplicate of bug 615300. It is a bug filed because of that
default signature.

 Thanks for reporting this bug and any supporting documentation. Since
this bug has enough information provided for a developer to begin work,
I'm going to mark it as confirmed and let them handle it from here.
Thanks for taking the time to make Ubuntu better!

** Changed in: evolution (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided = Medium

** Changed in: evolution (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Triaged

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[Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-19 Thread Paul Sladen
** Description changed:

- Binary package hint: evolution
+ The Evolution package in Ubuntu 10.10 was patched to apply a signature
+ of Sent from Ubuntu for new users (as implemented in bug #615300).
+ This bug report is the mirror to that report and requests
+ removal/reversion.
  
- Well, it definitely shouldn't add this signature by default. A large
- number of users is against having such unprofessionally looking, rude,
- obnoxious and useless signature enabled by default. Let the user choose
- whether he wants to boast about their OS. The signature should be added
- only if the user approves that, since a lot of people have many
- different reasons not to include this signature.
+ Rationale: Evolution definitely shouldn't add this signature by default.
+ A large number of users are against having such an unprofessional
+ looking, rude, obnoxious and useless signature enabled by default.
+ Evolution should let the user choose whether they wish to boast about
+ their Operating System. The signature should be added only if the user
+ approves the addition, since a lot of people have many different reasons
+ not to include this signature.
+ 
+ The upload that added the Sent from Ubuntu signature occurred at
+ T-minus six weeks before release.
+ 
+ evolution (2.30.2-1ubuntu2) maverick; urgency=low
+ 
+   * debian/patches/01_ubuntu_signature.patch,
+ debian/signature.py:
+ - define an Ubuntu signature which writes Sent from Ubuntu, the 
signature
+   is in the list but not default yet for new accounts, that should change
+   before the end of the cycle
+   (lp: #615300)
+  -- Sebastien Bacher seb...@ubuntu.com Fri, 27 Aug 2010 00:07:56 +0200
+ 
+ Based on the first 1,000+ contributors to the following poll, 75% are against 
the signature (the same ratio is present on the UbuntuForums):
+   
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/09/sent-from-ubuntu-signature-to-be-added-to-all-mail-sent-from-evolution/

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[Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-19 Thread Seung Soo, Ha
I think this should be an opt-in feature. Also, this definitely needs much more 
discussion. 
+1 for delegating to next release.

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[Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-19 Thread Frank
I like this default because it increases visibility of others to how
many people are using Ubuntu.

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[Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-19 Thread Benjamim Gois
I like the idea. I think spread the ubuntu name is something very
important.

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[Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-19 Thread Francois Trahan
I remember dropping a online mail service for the exact same reason...

who the hell are they to claim the right to modify my correspondence and
insert publicity...

Should I also wear a branded hat and bumper stickers ???

If you're serious, go back to Debian...

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[Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-19 Thread John King
I posted this on the other bug, but here we go...

I like to idea to some degree; but this just simply shouldn't be done by
default.

Something I've noticed lately is that there's not really a central
community advocacy front like SpreadFirefox. Yeah sure, there's
'SpreadUbuntu' (http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org/), but it's not really
well known, or on a standard domain like www.spreadubuntu.com (that URL
currently redirects to www.ubuntu.com). Perhaps we need that. Then those
that wish to participate in advocacy of Ubuntu could go there, and maybe
then there'd be a blog or forum or something, and then things like
'Advertise Ubuntu in your e-mail sig!' are suggested for people to opt-
in *on an individual basis*. One immediate benefit I see is that you
might end up with many clever or at least unique sigs, likely to get
more attention than a hundred bland 'Sent From Ubuntu's.

Community advocacy in Ubuntu needs much more work to be honest; I'd much
rather see Canonical look more at what they could do to improve
community advocacy than force it on users that may not want it.

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[Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-19 Thread Maia Kozheva
Whoever reopened this bug, thank you. I hope the core developers will
listen to the community for once, and revert the change.


This bug comment was posted using Ubuntu 10.10 and Epiphany 2.30.2-1ubuntu6.

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[Bug 642839] Re: Evolution adds 'Sent from Ubuntu' signature by default

2010-09-19 Thread Scott Kitterman
I'm not an evolution user, so this doesn't affect me directly, but I do
agree this should be on the release team's radar since it was added
after feature freeze without release team review.

** Changed in: evolution (Ubuntu)
Milestone: None = ubuntu-10.10

** Also affects: evolution (Ubuntu Maverick)
   Importance: Medium
   Status: Triaged

** Changed in: evolution (Ubuntu Maverick)
   Importance: Medium = High

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