[Bug 65230] Re: startup messages continue on screen after first login prompt appears

2008-04-21 Thread Scott James Remnant
Something reloaded SSH? :)

This will always pop up over your active console until we completely
redo the way we do such messages.

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Re: [Bug 65230] Re: startup messages continue on screen after first login prompt appears

2008-04-18 Thread Dustin Kirkland
The login prompt being held until last on tty1 has been very nice,
Scott, thanks.

However, I have occasionally seen the following, where a seemingly
delayed SSH message pops up:
myhostname login:  * Reloading OpenBSD Secure Shell server's configuration sshd

Ideas?

:-Dustin

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[Bug 65230] Re: startup messages continue on screen after first login prompt appears

2008-04-11 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
This bug was fixed in the package upstart - 0.3.9-2

---
upstart (0.3.9-2) hardy; urgency=low

  * Start the getty on tty1 after the rc script has stopped rather then
at the same time it starts to avoid overwriting by console messages.
tty2..6 will still be active if you want an early login.  LP: #65230.
  * If the recovery menu is available start that instead of sulogin when
entering single-user-mode.

 -- Scott James Remnant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:38:50
+0100

** Changed in: upstart (Ubuntu Hardy)
   Status: Triaged => Fix Released

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[Bug 65230] Re: startup messages continue on screen after first login prompt appears

2008-04-10 Thread Scott James Remnant
Sounds reasonable

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[Bug 65230] Re: startup messages continue on screen after first login prompt appears

2008-04-03 Thread Steve Langasek
Scott, do you have any comments on the proposed fix for this bug?  It
seems to me like a straightforward solution to defer starting the getty
on tty1 until after the rest of rc2 has finished.  Perhaps the proposed
patch isn't future-proof against other services being migrated to use
upstart events instead of sysv init scripts (?), but that doesn't seem
to me like a reason to avoid a partial fix that could get us through
hardy.

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[Bug 65230] Re: startup messages continue on screen after first login prompt appears

2008-03-18 Thread Petter Andrè Haugseth
Hi, just wanted to still confirm this for the daily build of Hardy, pr
15. march 2008. The attached patch fix the problem

Petter

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[Bug 65230] Re: startup messages continue on screen after first login prompt appears

2008-02-20 Thread Tribaal
Like Dustin said, you can always switch to tty2 to fix stuff to make bad days 
more bearable...
And tty1 can be "pretty" for thoses of us who package appliances.

Best of both worlds?

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Re: [Bug 65230] Re: startup messages continue on screen after first login prompt appears

2008-02-20 Thread Jim Tarvid
As a server owner, I want a login as soon as the system is capable of
handling my requests. In fact, I would like a BIOS that would give me
"busybox" like access on a crashed machine.

Think of the bad days and what it takes to make them less bad.

Jim

On 2/20/08, Dustin Kirkland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 9:46 PM, peppergrower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >  If you want a login available earlier, then there has to be a
>  >  better way to do it.
>
>
> You can swap over to tty2+ and get a login there.
>
>  Perhaps it should avoid printing the login prompt on *tty1* until all
>  init scripts have finished, but go ahead and display them on the rest
>  of the tty's as soon as login is ready.
>
>
>
>  :-Dustin
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Re: [Bug 65230] Re: startup messages continue on screen after first login prompt appears

2008-02-20 Thread Dustin Kirkland
On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 9:46 PM, peppergrower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  If you want a login available earlier, then there has to be a
>  better way to do it.

You can swap over to tty2+ and get a login there.

Perhaps it should avoid printing the login prompt on *tty1* until all
init scripts have finished, but go ahead and display them on the rest
of the tty's as soon as login is ready.


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[Bug 65230] Re: startup messages continue on screen after first login prompt appears

2008-02-19 Thread peppergrower
See the attachment for why the implementation, at least, is a bug.

Look at the top of that screen dump.  When you look at the actual screen
after bootup, the login up top is just barely still on the screen.  It
shows up and the system doesn't even pause--it keeps plowing on through
the other scripts.  (Notice that MySQL even has its output on the same
line.)  The cursor ends up at the far right edge of the screen (to the
right of the last [OK]).  It's rather odd, and definitely confusing for
an inexperienced Linux user.  I daresay that it's not what an
experienced user expects either.  And if I had just one more script
running starting up, there wouldn't even be a buried login on the
screen.  If you want a login available earlier, then there has to be a
better way to do it.

** Attachment added: "Screen dump of my machine at startup"
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Re: [Bug 65230] Re: startup messages continue on screen after first login prompt appears

2008-02-19 Thread Jim Tarvid
Is this not a feature and not a bug?

http://upstart.ubuntu.com/

System-V init was sequential and if one of the scripts got stuck, you
never got to a login.

There are some race conditions such as ntp and networking.

At least you have a chance of fixing a problem instead of rebooting
into single user.

Jim Tarvid

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> @ faulkes:
>
> Same here as well.  I installed 7.10 server edition, and selected the
> LAMP and Samba options, but never installed a GUI.  Still, I had this
> bug from the first boot.
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[Bug 65230] Re: startup messages continue on screen after first login prompt appears

2008-02-19 Thread peppergrower
@ faulkes:

Same here as well.  I installed 7.10 server edition, and selected the
LAMP and Samba options, but never installed a GUI.  Still, I had this
bug from the first boot.

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Re: [Bug 65230] Re: startup messages continue on screen after first login prompt appears

2008-02-19 Thread faulkes
Actually,

I just got through installing 7.04 server ppc version, I can confirm that
this behaviour exists
within the ppc version.

However, I did not install X or any components thereof.

Michael

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> ** Changed in: upstart (Ubuntu)
> Assignee: (unassigned) => Ubuntu Server Team (ubuntu-server)
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> Status in Source Package "upstart" in Ubuntu: Triaged
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> Bug description:
> To reproduce:
> 1-install type "server"
> 2-boot new installation
> 3-reconfigure /boot/grub/menu.lst with a vga=0x122 or vga=0x314 on kernel
> line
> 4-install an X desktop and its deps (I do kubuntu-desktop)
> 5-apt-get remove usplash, or set up to boot using an alternate boot loader
> (I use SUSE's grub), or otherwise reconfigure so that init has no splash and
> all normal init messages display in text big enough to see and read on tty1
> 6-reboot
> 7-Ctrl-Alt-F1
>
> Actual results:
> 1-normal init messages display on tty1
> 2-video switches from native text mode to text emulated graphics mode (as
> installer uses)
> 3-login prompt appears
> 4-init messages continue:
> a-ubuntu login: * Starting system log...
> b-* Starting kernel log...
> c-* Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd
>
> Expected results:
> 1-normal init messages display on tty1
> 2-login prompt appears
> 3-nothing more appears on tty1 until logging in
> 4-video stays in native text mode
>
> This is edgy network installation on old ATI video card.
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[Bug 65230] Re: startup messages continue on screen after first login prompt appears

2008-02-19 Thread Nick Barcet
** Changed in: upstart (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: (unassigned) => Ubuntu Server Team (ubuntu-server)

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[Bug 65230] Re: startup messages continue on screen after first login prompt appears

2008-02-19 Thread peppergrower
Whew, after some very puzzling results I finally figured out what the
problem was.

When I ran the patch, I included the -b option to create a backup of the
original file; I had never used patch before, so I wanted to make sure I
could get the original back in case I messed things up somehow.  This
created a file called tty1.orig in /etc/event.d, along with the patched
version of tty1.  After much fun and games, I finally figured out
something that you guys probably already know: the computer was reading
anything that started with "tty1", regardless of its ending.  (I
realized this after I accidentally applied the patch to an already-
patched version of tty1 and it created a file called tty1.rej,
consisting of the parts it couldn't insert; on the next boot I saw an
error message about not being able to interpret tty1.rej.)

So once I renamed my backup version of tty1 to something else that
didn't start with tty1, and deleted tty1.rej, the patched version worked
flawlessly.  The bootup looks good, and the login doesn't appear until
after all the scripts are run.  Thanks for coming up with this patch!

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[Bug 65230] Re: startup messages continue on screen after first login prompt appears

2008-02-19 Thread Tribaal
Could you please attach the output of "cat /etc/event.d/tty1"?
There should be no reason why it wouldn't work after applying my patch :(

Did you try making the changes by hand instead of using my patch?

- Trib'

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[Bug 65230] Re: startup messages continue on screen after first login prompt appears

2008-02-18 Thread peppergrower
@ Trib' and others:

I'm running Ubuntu server edition 7.10.  I was having this problem and
found this site.  I downloaded and applied the patch (and checked tty1
to make sure it was applied correctly), and it's not working for me.
Instead, it's now impossible to login using a keyboard.  (Fortunately,
SSH still works.)

Here's what happens for me:
First of all, I still see a prompt that says "mutedroar login: " up before a 
lot of the services start.  When they're done, I see the same prompt, repeated. 
 Here's a sample of what happens:

mutedroar login: [my user name]
Password:
[first letter of my password]
Login incorrect
mutedroar login: [my user name]
Password: [first letter of my user name; shows up along with the prompt, before 
I actually type my password]

Login incorrect
mutedroar login:


...and so on and so forth.  Sometimes it does weird things where it will give 
me another login prompt immediately following the first (rather than a password 
prompt), and this second prompt will be tabbed over on the screen.  It will 
sometimes echo my password after I type it in.  Sometimes I get the normal 
login messages and a user prompt, but when I try to type anything (e.g. ls), it 
immediately prompts me to login in again.  It's all rather frustrating, and I 
can only gain access using SSH from another computer.  (That works the same as 
always.)  Any ideas on why this patch isn't working?

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[Bug 65230] Re: startup messages continue on screen after first login prompt appears

2008-02-15 Thread Nicolas Barcet
Raising the priority so that we put some attention to it.

** Changed in: upstart (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Low => Medium

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[Bug 65230] Re: startup messages continue on screen after first login prompt appears

2008-01-16 Thread Tribaal
Here is a patch file that takes care of the change.

- Trib'

** Attachment added: "Changes the start of tty1 to make sure it starts only 
after the last daemon started"
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[Bug 65230] Re: startup messages continue on screen after first login prompt appears

2008-01-16 Thread Tribaal
I think the most appropriate solution is to delay tt1 only.
This way the boot messages will be displayed in a proper fashion:
- Boot messages
- (All daemons started)
- Show the login prompt

Login via ssh is not affected in any way, and most probably this is how system 
admins will login to a headless server, so the cosmetic change will only be a 
change for the better.
In my particular case (I'm building virtual appliances), the cosmetic change 
makes all the difference in the world in the eyes of my clients (having a tidy 
login prompt looks more "professional").

I believe the change should be what Dario Berzano suggested:

In /etc/event.d/tty1:
Replace
"start on runlevel 2"
with
"start on stopped rc2"

I think it actually SOLVES the bug, not just works around it: it's the proper 
way to make sure an upsart daemon starts on the end of rc2.
I really hope this will make it into hardy.

- Trib'

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[Bug 65230] Re: startup messages continue on screen after first login prompt appears

2007-12-14 Thread Adrian R Goalby
Suggest consideration of the order you actually want the events to happen.
Is it a good idea to allow users to login before the standard daemons have been 
started?

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[Bug 65230] Re: startup messages continue on screen after first login prompt appears

2007-12-03 Thread Tribaal
This seems to affect the (still alpha) version of Hardy.
The "fix" you propose still works though.

** Tags added: feisty hardy server startup upstart

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[Bug 65230] Re: startup messages continue on screen after first login prompt appears

2007-11-24 Thread Joshua Swink
I like your solution Dario (I have not tested it yet). However, I'm not
sure it should be considered a fix. Before applying this workaround,
tty1 was being started earlier. We were forced to delay tty1, and
therefore the appearance of the login prompt, due to rc2's output
messages. But if the logger were working, we could instruct rc2 to
output its messages to the logger only and not to the console. tty1
could be started at the same time as rc2.

We have lengthened the time to the appearance of the prompt, when a
proper solution (a working logger) would not require that sacrifice.

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[Bug 65230] Re: startup messages continue on screen after first login prompt appears

2007-11-23 Thread Dario Berzano
Joshua, sadly your solution does not work for me: I mean, getty is not
started at the BEGINNING of runlevel 2, but neither at the end, even
with "exec start tty1" in /etc/init.d/rc (I really don't know why).
However, I found a better solution: since upstart is event-based, you
simply need to tell it to start getty when runlevel 2 has finished
loading.

To accomplish this task, edit /etc/event.d/tty1 and replace:

  start on runlevel 2

with:

  start on stopped rc2

With trivial modifications, it also works for runlevels other than 2 and
for tty's other than 1. Note that those modifications should SOLVE the
bug and should't be a workaround.

Cheers!

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[Bug 65230] Re: startup messages continue on screen after first login prompt appears

2007-11-10 Thread Jakson Alves de Aquino
Thanks, Joshua! Your workaround worked flawlessly here.

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[Bug 65230] Re: startup messages continue on screen after first login prompt appears

2007-11-07 Thread Joshua Swink
Thanks Jakson... incidentally my workaround of adding "-q" after rc does
NOT work. Some or all of the scripts in /etc/rc2.d did not get executed
when I did that. Then Gnome started complaining that it failed to
initialize HAL and such.

Here's a workaround that's a bit more upstartish, I think.

* In /etc/event.d/tty1, comment out "start on runlevel 2".

* Then change /etc/event.d/rc2 as follows, removing the first "exec" and
adding the line that says "exec start tty1":

/etc/init.d/rc 2
exec start tty1
end script

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[Bug 65230] Re: startup messages continue on screen after first login prompt appears

2007-11-06 Thread Jakson Alves de Aquino
My not elegant solution was the creation of a script named /etc/init.d
/restart-tty1 with the following content:

#!/bin/sh

stop tty1
clear
start tty1 > /dev/null

And, then, a symbolic link to it at /etc/rc2.d named S99zrestart-tty1. I
have chosen the prefix S99z to be sure that it will be the last script
to be called.

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[Bug 65230] Re: startup messages continue on screen after first login prompt appears

2007-11-06 Thread Joshua Swink
Does anyone have a workaround for this? Other than inserting -q into
rc2: "exec /etc/init.d/rc -q 2"

Ideally one that allows the info to be captured to a log. I've tried
"console none" and "console logged" in rc2 but they didn't seem to have
any effect.

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[Bug 65230] Re: startup messages continue on screen after first login prompt appears

2007-10-30 Thread Chris Redpath
Still present in Ubuntu Server 7.10 - no GUI installed here.

It is *quite* annoying, not worth throwing the toys out of the pram for
though.

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[Bug 65230] Re: startup messages continue on screen after first login prompt appears

2007-10-11 Thread EmmEff
Perhaps not just annoying, but confusing as well.

We have received feedback from users who were confused there was no
login prompt.  Pressing  will display a prompt, but it is
seemingly non-intuitive to new users.

And then there is the argument that other dists don't have this
"problem".

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[Bug 65230] Re: startup messages continue on screen after first login prompt appears

2007-10-11 Thread nijaba
a guy named steve made the following comment about our server distro on
slashdot :

"A boot screen that doesn't look like vomited output. Why does the
login prompt appear before services have finished loading? I support
being able to use the machine before services have stopped. I do not
need "Starting PostgreSQL" appearing as I'm entering my login
credentials locally."

I know this is cosmetic, but it seems to be really annoying some people.

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[Bug 65230] Re: startup messages continue on screen after first login prompt appears

2007-10-08 Thread Scott James Remnant
Occurs because the getty is started at the beginning of rc2 rather than
the end; easy fix would be to start the getty at the end of the runlevel
(after the script is finished) or to fix the messaging in the first
place

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[Bug 65230] Re: startup messages continue on screen after first login prompt appears

2007-10-08 Thread Scott James Remnant
Boot messages dicussion scheduled (again) for UDS

** Changed in: upstart (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed => Triaged

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[Bug 65230] Re: startup messages continue on screen after first login prompt appears

2007-08-02 Thread Pascal De Vuyst
I confirm this bug on a custom Feisty desktop installation from
alternate CD.

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[Bug 65230] Re: startup messages continue on screen after first login prompt appears

2007-08-02 Thread Pascal De Vuyst
Assigning to upstart.

** Changed in: upstart (Ubuntu)
Sourcepackagename: None => upstart
   Status: New => Confirmed

** Changed in: upstart (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided => Low

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[Bug 65230] Re: startup messages continue on screen after first login prompt appears

2007-06-12 Thread EmmEff
As you can see from line "a" above, the login prompt actually is
displayed, however it is displayed before the initscripts are run.  If
you press enter, the login prompt should reappear.

I am experiencing the same problems with Feisty (Server edition).

I tried changing the setting "DELAYLOGIN" in /etc/default/rcS but it has
no effect.  Is this an upstart bug for not adhering to this setting?

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