[Bug 655998] Re: Update Manager Listing should NOT use descriptions

[Karol Stasiak]

Anything is going on regarding this regression?

Today, I'm seeing two entries in the update list labelled "Transitional
dummy package". Gee, I wonder what they do. Also, "Command-line driven
interactive plotting program. X-package". So, which plotting program is
that?

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[Bug 655998] Re: Update Manager Listing should NOT use descriptions

[danstowell]

A vote from me to say: please show the names!

When update-manager pops up, the first thing I want to decide is: "Is
this update going to do anything that I wouldn't want, e.g. change any
package versions that I'm currently relying on for my data analysis?"
but the screen just says "A lightweight blah manager", "A dbus
implementation of a thing", etc.

It gives the user no real idea of what will happen if they say OK.

Please put the names somewhere in the summary table where the user can
scan them (the "technical description" is not enough because not
scannable).

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[Bug 655998] Re: Update Manager Listing should NOT use descriptions

[Hans Heintze]

** Tags added: needs-design

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[Bug 655998] Re: Update Manager Listing should NOT use descriptions

[Borim]

The short description of many packages is too long to fit in the small window 
of the update manager. As an example I attached a screenshot from today. As you 
can see there, some "Free implementation of the" is updated multiple times. 
The difference is just:
- Ope
- EGL
- EGL-A
- GL-A
and the rest is truncated. I hardly believe that any user (casual, heavy) think 
that these description stubs are more informative, than just the package names. 
The description stubs are more like a riddle what gets updated.

Please display again the package names! Than you can get at least a
glimpse what gets updated. For more information the technical
description can be used.

** Attachment added: "update-desc.png"
   
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[Bug 655998] Re: Update Manager Listing should NOT use descriptions

[Adam Dingle]

These days Update Manager displays only short descriptions of packages
to be upgraded - the only way I can find out the actual package names is
by looking in the "Technical description" area below.  The
summary_before_name GSettings key apparently no longer has any effect.

That might be OK for casual users (although Graham gives a good argument
above that these descriptions aren't terribly useful for them either).
But a serious user would really like to see the actual package names.  I
think there should be a preference, command-line parameter or GSettings
key which causes Update Manager to show actual package names in the main
list (possibly with descriptions too).

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[Bug 655998] Re: Update Manager Listing should NOT use descriptions

[anatoly techtonik]

I also agree that there is a little meaning in giving meaningless short
names to various hardcore lib* components. Users will still use detailed
descriptions to figure out what's this.

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[Bug 655998] Re: Update Manager Listing should NOT use descriptions

[anatoly techtonik]

Nice idea and argumentation. It still needs screenshots to be
perceptually convinced. I find myself scanning alphabetical package
names instead of descriptions too, but I am on developer side. I suspect
users don't read them at all. For reading it would be good to have a
dedicated pane for details (bug #1078769).

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[Bug 655998] Re: Update Manager Listing should NOT use descriptions

[Graham Crumb]

Turns out this 'feature' is configurable in GConf.

Run gconf-editor and un-set the following:

  /apps/update-manager/summary_before_name

That doesn't remove the bug, however, because there is no compelling
argument to be made for ever showing summaries before names. Doing so
only breaks every list display convention ever used since cuneiform was
still all the rage.

Patch:

dmcgarry@emigre:/tmp$ diff -ruN UpdateManager-old.py UpdateManager.py 
--- UpdateManager-old.py2011-04-28 09:02:56.735606001 +1100
+++ UpdateManager.py2011-04-28 09:05:10.087606001 +1100
@@ -260,7 +260,9 @@
 # init show version
 self.show_versions = 
self.gconfclient.get_bool("/apps/update-manager/show_versions")
 # init summary_before_name
-self.summary_before_name = 
self.gconfclient.get_bool("/apps/update-manager/summary_before_name")
+# Actually, don't - it's a stupid idea.
+# self.summary_before_name = 
self.gconfclient.get_bool("/apps/update-manager/summary_before_name")
+self.summary_before_name = False
 # keep track when we run (for update-notifier)
 self.gconfclient.set_int("/apps/update-manager/launch_time", 
int(time.time()))
 
Thanks for nothing to Michael and the update-manager development gang who 
couldn't even be arsed to mention that this is configurable. In fairness, 
though, Launchpad is so incredibly broken and flooded, I can understand why 
devs would choose to just ignore it.

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[Bug 655998] Re: Update Manager Listing should NOT use descriptions

[Graham Crumb]

Two examples of why this is bad UI behaviour:

1) The heading for the Google Chrome browser is 'The browser from
Google'. No actual reference to the name, and unnecessarily verbose.

2) The entry for subversion is 'Advanced Version Control System'. Again,
no name, and hopelessly imprecise. Worse, this is a package for
developers, who generally speaking can be trusted to know what
'Subversion' means in their context.

If someone can suggest which files would need altering to restore the
display order to package name first, description  second, I'll submit
the patch myself

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[Bug 655998] Re: Update Manager Listing should NOT use descriptions

[Valeryan_24]

Hello,

I fully agree with this demand, regression is still present in Natty.

It was a lot better and clear to have in first line, bold and big text
name of application which has updates available, and above in smaller
text the description, all was ranged in alphabetic order, it was very
quick to see what was listed, which ones select or not, being
informed...

I do not understand why behavior has been changed, this could be one of
the papercuts for user experience.

Hope to see classic update-manager presentation coming back soon.

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[Bug 655998] Re: Update Manager Listing should NOT use descriptions

[Graham Crumb]

Demonstration of why this is a bug:



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[Bug 655998] Re: Update Manager Listing should NOT use descriptions

[Michael Vogt]

** Changed in: update-manager (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Confirmed

** Changed in: update-manager (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided => Medium

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