[Bug 663119] Re: Unneeded items in System Preferences
OK thanks Pedro, I shall continue the discussion on https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop -- Unneeded items in System Preferences https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/663119 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 663119] Re: Unneeded items in System Preferences
The settings and preferences is being given a makeover as part of GNOME 3, for its new control center : http://live.gnome.org/Design/SystemSettings A library is available for developers wishing to implement new Settings Panels. If anyone is an app maintainer, they should look into porting the setting to the new panel api. This is a major task and not a simple change, Hence marking as Invalid for papercuts. I dont expect any changes from an Ubuntu desktop discussion either. Some of the items are there on purpose and intended, eg: Broadcast [Gwibber] preferences ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Status: New = Invalid ** Changed in: ubuntuone-control-panel Status: New = Invalid -- Unneeded items in System Preferences https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/663119 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 663119] Re: Unneeded items in System Preferences
Here is a screenshot of before and after the changes ** Attachment added: Screenshot of Before and After the Changes https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-control-panel/+bug/663119/+attachment/1701112/+files/before-and-after.png -- Unneeded items in System Preferences https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/663119 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 663119] Re: Unneeded items in System Preferences
I agree, it's completely overwhelming for new users. http://twitpic.com/2ye69r -- Unneeded items in System Preferences https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/663119 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 663119] Re: Unneeded items in System Preferences
i use a netbook with 10.1 screen the menu looks annoying -- Unneeded items in System Preferences https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/663119 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 663119] Re: Unneeded items in System Preferences
Agree and some other items also should should not be added like Awn Settings. These are not in the default installation, but they will be available after installing them. -- Unneeded items in System Preferences https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/663119 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 663119] Re: Unneeded items in System Preferences
My take is - Don't make a menu list for the preferences, just create a single Menu and add all the preferences into it, Like a central place to manage all the preferences. -- Unneeded items in System Preferences https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/663119 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 663119] Re: Unneeded items in System Preferences
While the menu is bloated, I'd like to comment on Nautilus: In other OSes (Mac, Windows) their equivalent of Nautilus (Finder, Explorer) are not simply userspace applications, or at least are not seen as such by regular users. I believe the latter point here is true of Nautilus in Ubuntu as well. The file manager is such an integral part of the OS, and is not actually named anywhere where it will be encountered by beginning user (I went quite some time without knowing that the file manager was in fact just another application called Nautilus). Also: I commonly remove items from the preferences/system settings menus based on how often I use them. It is fairly easy to do, and I am not an advanced user by any means. -- Unneeded items in System Preferences https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/663119 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 663119] Re: Unneeded items in System Preferences
Please add * vnc settings * desktop webmail * driconf * openjdk settings to the list. -- Unneeded items in System Preferences https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/663119 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 663119] Re: Unneeded items in System Preferences
So so bloated. Thankfully I avoid menus with gnome-do but still this is ridiculous. -- Unneeded items in System Preferences https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/663119 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 663119] Re: Unneeded items in System Preferences
I would say a better place would have been an appropriate mailing list like ubuntu-desktop On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:40 PM, rocker9455 will.pric...@gmail.com wrote: So so bloated. Thankfully I avoid menus with gnome-do but still this is ridiculous. -- Unneeded items in System Preferences https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/663119 You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to nautilus in ubuntu. Status in Gwibber: New Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: New Status in Ubuntu One Control Panel: New Status in “alacarte” package in Ubuntu: New Status in “empathy” package in Ubuntu: New Status in “nautilus” package in Ubuntu: New Bug description: It seems strange that in the same cycle that we have had 'Software Sources' removed from the System Preferences menu, that we have had around 4 new unneeded menu items added. These include: * Broadcast Preferences * File Management * Main Menu * Messaging and VoIP Accounts * Ubuntu One First of all none of these should be in this menu, because the menu is for 'System Preferences'. When I see this I think of hardware or services that are at a low-level in the system, that are integral two it, not user-space applications that are not linked to the basic running of the system. Broadcast Preferences (Gwibber Preferences) has no link to the system, it is merely a shortcut to the gwibber preferences. I believe this should not be here, as it is a duplication of the menu item Edit Preferences in gwibber itself. It should be removed for the same reason of 'Software Sources' but also because a user will not logically look here for Gwibber's Preferences - they will open gwibber instead. File Management, this is probably the one of the list above that has most reason to be in the menu, however I still believe that it should not be included. Nautilus is a user-space application and if a user wants to modify its preferences, he/she will open Nautilus and choose Edit Preferences. This again comes back to the point that it is simply duplicating menu items and making the Preferences menu more flooded than it already is. Main Menu is not an integral part of the system and so has no place in being here. This one seems to be even more unneeded by me, as the user has just opened the menu to get at it - they only need to right click instead of left click and they will have the 'Edit Menus...' menuitem. Again, not where a user will look and duplication of menuitems. Messaging and VoIP Accounts is the same problem as Broadcast Preferences. Not an integral part of the system and I don't really know why it is here. Ubuntu One this has a valid case for there being a menuitem, however it should be in Apllications Internet. this is a userspace application, not integral and it is much more logical for a person to look in Internet rather than System Preferences for Ubuntu One. If we hid all of these, it would make the preferences menu a lot easier to navigate, and a menu that contained concise items that were suited to their parent menu. Of course I may be completely wrong and there are legitimate reasons why these are here. Any comments? -- Unneeded items in System Preferences https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/663119 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 663119] Re: Unneeded items in System Preferences
** Description changed: It seems strange that in the same cycle that we have had 'Software Sources' removed from the System Preferences menu, that we have had around 4 new unneeded menu items added. These include: * Broadcast Preferences * File Management * Main Menu * Messaging and VoIP Accounts * Ubuntu One First of all none of these should be in this menu, because the menu is for 'System Preferences'. When I see this I think of hardware or services that are at a low-level in the system, that are integral two it, not user-space applications that are not linked to the basic running of the system. Broadcast Preferences (Gwibber Preferences) has no link to the system, it is merely a shortcut to the gwibber preferences. I believe this should not be here, as it is a duplication of the menu item Edit Preferences in gwibber itself. It should be removed for the same reason of 'Software Sources' but also because a user will not logically look here for Gwibber's Preferences - they will open gwibber instead. File Management, this is probably the one of the list above that has most reason to be in the menu, however I still believe that it should not be included. Nautilus is a user-space application and if a user wants to modify its preferences, he/she will open Nautilus and choose Edit Preferences. This again comes back to the point that it is simply duplicating menu items and making the Preferences menu more flooded than it already is. Main Menu is not an integral part of the system and so has no place in being here. This one seems to be even more unneeded by me, as the user has just opened the menu to get at it - they only need to right click instead of left click and they will have the 'Edit Menus...' menuitem. Again, not where a user will look and duplication of menuitems. Messaging and VoIP Accounts is the same problem as Broadcast Preferences. Not an integral part of the system and I don't really know why it is here. Ubuntu One this has a valid case for there being a menuitem, however it should be in Apllications Internet. this is a userspace application, not integral and it is much more logical for a person to look in Internet rather than System Preferences for Ubuntu One. If we hid all of these, it would make the preferences menu a lot easier to navigate, and a menu that contained concise items that were suited to their parent menu. + Of course I may be completely wrong and there are legitimate reasons why + these are here. Any comments? - Of course I may be completely wrong and there are legitimate reasons why these are here. Any comments? + + --- + + Other packages that do this, but aren't in the default install, are: + * AWN Settings + * VNC Settings + * Desktop Webmail + * driconf + * OpenJDK Settings -- Unneeded items in System Preferences https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/663119 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 663119] Re: Unneeded items in System Preferences
this should be discussed on a mailing list rather, please send an email to the desktop list. ** Changed in: nautilus (Ubuntu) Status: New = Invalid ** Changed in: empathy (Ubuntu) Status: New = Invalid ** Changed in: gwibber Status: New = Invalid ** Changed in: alacarte (Ubuntu) Status: New = Invalid -- Unneeded items in System Preferences https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/663119 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
