[Bug 75332] Re: Held back packages not ignored by update-manager
No program is encouraged to interface with aptitude holds, these are very soon to be replaced by the universal dpkg holds. ** Changed in: update-manager Status: New => Invalid ** Summary changed: - Held back packages not ignored by update-manager + aptitude has private package holds, should use dpkg -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/75332 Title: aptitude has private package holds, should use dpkg To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/update-manager/+bug/75332/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 75332] Re: Held back packages not ignored by update-manager
** Changed in: aptitude (Debian) Status: New => Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/75332 Title: Held back packages not ignored by update-manager To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/update-manager/+bug/75332/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 75332] Re: Held back packages not ignored by update-manager
bug 185981 and bug 75332 look like dupes. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/75332 Title: Held back packages not ignored by update-manager To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/update-manager/+bug/75332/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 75332] Re: Held back packages not ignored by update-manager
TRIAGED: as mentioned earlier, if you use the the "dpkg --set-selections" method (see 7.12 at http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html) to put a package on hold, instead of the "aptitude hold " command. Then the update-manager will successfully ignore future upgrades for that package, the update-notifier will also no longer warn about available upgrades for those packages that have been put on hold. extra information: it seems though that the concept of putting a package on hold in the dpkg-way is different from the aptitude way. for example, after putting a package on hold using "dpgk --set-selections", I can then proceed to run "aptitude unhold" after which aptitude will again try to upgrade the package when running "aptitude safe-upgrade". however running "dpkg --get-selections" shows that the package is still marked as hold, and both "apt-get upgrade" and the update-manager are still ignoring it. thus it seems that aptitude is at fault here for not playing nicely with the update-manager/dpkg/apt-get, which is kind of weird since aptitude is recommended as the preferred way to administer your system. long story short, the bug as was posted is triaged, but maybe a new bugreport should be posted regarding this anomalous behaviour of aptitude :-s -- Held back packages not ignored by update-manager https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/75332 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 75332] Re: Held back packages not ignored
how can we get this bug report to be considered as important/fixed? what would be the correct procedure? simply making this bugreport obviously didn't do it, since it's been around for years it seems and still hasn't been fixed. the fact that it only affects 6 people, can only signify that not a lot of people have found there way to this page. ** Description changed: When I make packages held back (I don't want to upgrade due to a bug in the newest version which makes it unusable) in aptitude, update-manager - still wants to upgrade this package. Apt-get does the right thing - though. + still wants to upgrade this package. Apt-get and aptitude do the right + thing though. ** Summary changed: - Held back packages not ignored + Held back packages not ignored by update-manager -- Held back packages not ignored by update-manager https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/75332 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 75332] Re: Held back packages not ignored
Considering comment #13 it's a feature of at least both apt and aptitude, however in apt it's called kept back, not held back. -- Held back packages not ignored https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/75332 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 75332] Re: Held back packages not ignored
Is the "Held" function an aptitude, apt, or dpkg feature? Since aptitude is not official, I would not expect other apt clients to obey it. -- Held back packages not ignored https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/75332 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 75332] Re: Held back packages not ignored
This is still a problem in 10.04. I have kernel packages held back in aptitude and Update Manager attempts to upgrade them every time it runs, resulting in me having to click about 8 checkboxes. Worse, since there are dependencies, not clicking in the right order can cause Update Manager to re-check some of the checkboxes I've unchecked. -- Held back packages not ignored https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/75332 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 75332] Re: Held back packages not ignored
Whichever package's bug it is, it's pretty annoying that the bug is around for several years already. Experimenting with adept_notifier, I found out that it compares the available versions as given in any of the files /var/lib/apt/lists/* with the versions installed according to /var/lib/dpkg/status. My workaround is for each of the held packages to manipulate the "Version: " entry in /var/lib/dpkg/status i.e. replacing the version number with something *higher* than the available version. -- Held back packages not ignored https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/75332 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 75332] Re: Held back packages not ignored
ignoring on-hold packages by update-manager (update-notifier) is not aptitude or apt-get bug it's update-manager's bug! ** Also affects: update-manager Importance: Undecided Status: New -- Held back packages not ignored https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/75332 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 75332] Re: Held back packages not ignored
** Changed in: aptitude (Debian) Status: Unknown => New -- Held back packages not ignored https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/75332 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 75332] Re: Held back packages not ignored
** Changed in: aptitude (Debian) Importance: Unknown => Undecided Bugwatch: Debian Bug tracker #137771 => None ** Changed in: aptitude (Debian) Importance: Undecided => Unknown Bugwatch: None => Debian Bug tracker #137771 Status: New => Unknown -- Held back packages not ignored https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/75332 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 75332] Re: Held back packages not ignored
** Changed in: aptitude (Debian) Status: Unknown => New -- Held back packages not ignored https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/75332 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 75332] Re: Held back packages not ignored
Thanks for your report. Assigning to aptitude / triaged/ medium. Thanks for your help and don't hesitate to submit any new bug. ** Changed in: aptitude (Ubuntu) Sourcepackagename: update-manager => aptitude Importance: Undecided => Medium Status: Confirmed => Triaged ** Bug watch added: Debian Bug tracker #137771 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=137771 ** Also affects: aptitude (Debian) via http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=137771 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown -- Held back packages not ignored https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/75332 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 75332] Re: Held back packages not ignored
I suppose aptitude uses a package state different than apt-get's? Lately, I seem to be addicted to using aptitude. But this bug here (about aptitude and dpkg) http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=174091 is a bummer. Installing Synaptic or using "dpkg --set-selections" seems to be the current viable workaround. -- Held back packages not ignored https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/75332 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 75332] Re: Held back packages not ignored
Most likely the code in kubuntu is taken from ubuntu, so a fix here could lead to the fix there. This goes back to 2006 Dapper. Yet it's importance or assignment have never been done. How does that happen on something as important as the updater? Also, it's probably easy to fix, since the adept manager itself does not have a problem. So, just copy that code to the updater. -- Held back packages not ignored https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/75332 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 75332] Re: Held back packages not ignored
Unmarking as a duplicate. Reason: If I understand correctly, this issue is for Ubuntu (Gnome) and the other report (bug 72806) is for Kubuntu (KDE). ** This bug is no longer a duplicate of bug 72806 'adept_notifier' is not aware of packages in "held" state -- Held back packages not ignored https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/75332 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 75332] Re: Held back packages not ignored
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 72806 *** https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/72806 ** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 72806 'adept_notifier' is not aware of packages in "held" state -- Held back packages not ignored https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/75332 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Kubuntu Team, which is a bug contact for adept in ubuntu (via bug 72806). -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
[Bug 75332] Re: Held back packages not ignored
** Changed in: update-manager (Ubuntu) Status: Needs Info => Confirmed -- Held back packages not ignored https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/75332 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 75332] Re: Held back packages not ignored
Yes, update-manager still always wants to upgrade erlang. Here are the content of /var/log/dist-upgrade ** Attachment added: "apt.log, main.log and term.log from /var/log/dist-upgrade" http://librarian.launchpad.net/5596591/dist-upgrade-content.tar -- Held back packages not ignored https://launchpad.net/bugs/75332 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 75332] Re: Held back packages not ignored
Jadahl is this still an issue for you, if so can you please attach the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade. ** Changed in: update-manager (Ubuntu) Assignee: John Vivirito => (unassigned) -- Held back packages not ignored https://launchpad.net/bugs/75332 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 75332] Re: Held back packages not ignored
[13:[EMAIL PROTECTED] sudo apt-get upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages have been kept back: erlang erlang-base 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded. Now the update-manager icon on the right top of the screen always is there. apt-get dist-upgrade tries to install newer versions of these packages, but in aptitude when doing the "U g" keystrokes (U = Mark all upgradable packages to be upgraded, g = Perform all pending installations, removals, and upgrades.) it doesn't try to upgrade the 2 held back packages. -- Held back packages not ignored https://launchpad.net/bugs/75332 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 75332] Re: Held back packages not ignored
Thank you for your bug report can you please attach the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade or give us the output of what you mean. ** Changed in: update-manager (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) => John Vivirito Status: Unconfirmed => Needs Info -- Held back packages not ignored https://launchpad.net/bugs/75332 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
