[Bug 754000] Re: 3 finger touch interferes with 3 finger click (middle click)

2011-09-27 Thread Chase Douglas
In Unity a design decision has been made that three and four finger
gestures are reserved for the shell. For example, any time you put three
touches down on a multitouch trackpad you can start draging the window
around (assuming it's not full screen). The only way to implement this
behavior is to mask out the three-touch-tap behavior that X synaptics
supports.

I'm sorry to say that they only reason three touch tapping works in
unity 2D is because it doesn't yet implement the window moving gesture.

There's no reason this can't be made configurable. I can envision an
option turns off specific gestures in Unity. If you disable the window
move gesture you'll get three touch tap to paste functionality back. If
someone in the community wants to offer a patch to do this we would be
happy to review it.

** Changed in: mactel-support
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** Changed in: unity
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** Changed in: utouch
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** Changed in: unity (Ubuntu)
   Status: Invalid = Opinion

** Changed in: xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 754000] Re: 3 finger touch interferes with 3 finger click (middle click)

2011-09-27 Thread Ian Turner
Chase,

Just a suggestion: If this is the future, it might be best to set the
two finger tap to middle click by default, at least on systems with
physical buttons. The rationale on this is that right-clicks are easy to
do through other mechanisms (right button or menu key), while middle-
clicks are more difficult to synthesize on most PC hardware.

Cheers,

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[Bug 754000] Re: 3 finger touch interferes with 3 finger click (middle click)

2011-09-27 Thread Daniel van Vugt
Sigh.

Clicking is not a gesture. That is my opinion. And three-finger clicks
can be made to co-exist with all the current gestures in Unity as my fix
(above) shows.

The fix I proposed in June is nearly perfect. Certainly it seems perfect
on Mac hardware and just needs some minor tweaking to avoid breaking
some Dells etc.

It would be very unfortunate for Ubuntu and Unity if we abandoned this.
We probably don't want to give people more reasons to not use Unity.

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[Bug 754000] Re: 3 finger touch interferes with 3 finger click (middle click)

2011-09-27 Thread Daniel van Vugt
Also, something I noticed earlier this year in Unity that is probably
still true:

Unity treats touch as a gesture. touch probably should never be a
gesture. Responding to tap and drag is enough to control the
appearance of the grab handles.

If you remove Unity's sensitivity to all initial touch events then
some of the perceived ambiguity in this argument should be resolved.

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[Bug 754000] Re: 3 finger touch interferes with 3 finger click (middle click)

2011-09-27 Thread Chase Douglas
Hi Ian,

I understand the sentiment, but such a change would cause untold number
of complaints from users who are used to two-tap being right click :).
It would be a huge behavior change, so I don't think we would do it.

BTW, I think you may be able to change the mapping of number of touches
to actions by fiddling with the xinput props for the trackpad device.

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[Bug 754000] Re: 3 finger touch interferes with 3 finger click (middle click)

2011-09-26 Thread shane
Well the workaround mentioned doesn't work for me I'm afraid.

As for a full fix for natty, I don't get this fix in natty.  I can use 3
finger middle-click there too.

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[Bug 754000] Re: 3 finger touch interferes with 3 finger click (middle click)

2011-09-26 Thread shane
I meant I don't get this problem in natty ^

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[Bug 754000] Re: 3 finger touch interferes with 3 finger click (middle click)

2011-09-25 Thread Daniel van Vugt
The merge proposal is still waiting on feedback from Chase Douglas. He
said my fix breaks his Dell Inspiron model 1011/1012?  So I asked him
for more info back in July.

I've just subscribed Chase because he may have lost track of this
ticket.

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[Bug 754000] Re: 3 finger touch interferes with 3 finger click (middle click)

2011-09-25 Thread Ian Turner
Shane: I wasn't being sarcastic, this issue has also prompted me to
switch to KDE.

I don't think using Gnome shell or Unity 2D work around this issue,
since they both still use Gnome Settings Daemon.

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Re: [Bug 754000] Re: 3 finger touch interferes with 3 finger click (middle click)

2011-09-25 Thread Colin D Bennett
I'm using Gnome (Ubuntu Classic session) and three-finger click
works fine here.  I use it in Firefox all the time.

Regards,
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[Bug 754000] Re: 3 finger touch interferes with 3 finger click (middle click)

2011-09-25 Thread shane
@ Ian,
I didn't think you were being sarcastic as this is a very frustrating issue for 
people who are used to the normal 3 finger middle-click behaviour.

But yes, neither gnome shell or unity 2d suffer from this problem (at
least they didn't last time I checked a couple of weeks ago), it is only
the compiz enabled unity 3d.

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[Bug 754000] Re: 3 finger touch interferes with 3 finger click (middle click)

2011-09-25 Thread Daniel van Vugt
This bug is only a problem when there is multitouch geis/grail code
active, which is unity. When there is no such multitouch code active
then the normal 3 finger click support in Xorg works. So the bug does
not happen in regular Gnome (Ubuntu Classic) and KDE. If Unity-2D is
safe too then that's good news.

Note the simple workaround that Alex mentioned in the Bug Description,
so you can kind-of use middle click in Unity still.

Also note, you can a full fix for natty from ppa:vanvugt/unity
https://launchpad.net/~vanvugt/+archive/unity
That is the fix currently being discussed and refined for release.

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[Bug 754000] Re: 3 finger touch interferes with 3 finger click (middle click)

2011-09-24 Thread bwat47
So will this fix make it into oneric? As it stands unity is pretty
unusable for anyone that uses a touchpad and expects middle click to
work...

Middle click is essential for me as mentioned above for closing tabs
ect...

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[Bug 754000] Re: 3 finger touch interferes with 3 finger click (middle click)

2011-09-24 Thread Ian Turner
Note that there is a workaround for Oneric: Use KDE. (That's what I've
done)

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[Bug 754000] Re: 3 finger touch interferes with 3 finger click (middle click)

2011-09-24 Thread shane
Well yes, also using windows, gnome shell or unity 2d also workaround the 
problem.
Having said that, they have their own issues but this 3 finger tap problem is 
one of the major factors in my decision to use KDE for the foreseeable future 
and since this has been marked as won't fix (for at least the next few releases 
I imagine), I guess it's up to people to weigh up how important middle clicks 
are and decide whether they want unity 3d or middle-clicks, you can't have both.

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[Bug 754000] Re: 3 finger touch interferes with 3 finger click (middle click)

2011-07-28 Thread rubengs
I'm using oneiric and the problem is still there, efectively making
unity unusable for me because the lack of middle click (used regularly
to paste, close tabs, etc.), I love the beautiful handles but middle
click is too much more useful. Is there a way to test the fix in
ppa:vanvugt/unity in oneiric?

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[Bug 754000] Re: 3 finger touch interferes with 3 finger click (middle click)

2011-07-28 Thread Daniel van Vugt
Sorry, I haven't made an oneiric build available in the PPA. We're still trying 
to work through compatibility problems with some touchpads that the fix has:

https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/ubuntu/oneiric/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/fix-754000/+merge/64125
Once that's done and the final fix is agreed upon, I'm happy to make it 
available for oneiric.

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[Bug 754000] Re: 3 finger touch interferes with 3 finger click (middle click)

2011-06-16 Thread Daniel van Vugt
** Patch removed: 125_fix_all_multifinger_clicks.patch
   
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/754000/+attachment/2122439/+files/125_fix_all_multifinger_clicks.patch

** Tags removed: patch

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[Bug 754000] Re: 3 finger touch interferes with 3 finger click (middle click)

2011-06-07 Thread Daniel van Vugt
** Changed in: xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed = In Progress

** Changed in: xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: (unassigned) = Daniel van Vugt (vanvugt)

** Changed in: unity (Ubuntu)
   Status: Triaged = Invalid

** Changed in: unity
   Status: Triaged = Invalid

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[Bug 754000] Re: 3 finger touch interferes with 3 finger click (middle click)

2011-05-30 Thread Didier Roche
** Changed in: unity (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Triaged

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[Bug 754000] Re: 3 finger touch interferes with 3 finger click (middle click)

2011-05-17 Thread Daniel van Vugt
** Branch linked: lp:~vanvugt/ubuntu/oneiric/xserver-xorg-input-
synaptics/fix-754000

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[Bug 754000] Re: 3 finger touch interferes with 3 finger click (middle click)

2011-05-12 Thread Alex Murray
Ahh thanks for the heads up on bug statuses - sorry bout that.

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[Bug 754000] Re: 3 finger touch interferes with 3 finger click (middle click)

2011-05-11 Thread Daniel van Vugt
** Branch linked: lp:~vanvugt/ubuntu/natty/xserver-xorg-input-
synaptics/fix-754000

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[Bug 754000] Re: 3 finger touch interferes with 3 finger click (middle click)

2011-05-11 Thread Alex Murray
I can confirm the fix resolves this bug for me - thanks Daniel, nice
work. This was really bugging me since I use 3-finger click to paste all
the time so its great you fixed it.

** Changed in: xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 754000] Re: 3 finger touch interferes with 3 finger click (middle click)

2011-05-11 Thread Daniel van Vugt
Thanks Alex. Nice to know other people are benefiting from the fix.

P.S. In future, please don't change the status of a bug that's already
Triaged. Triaged usually comes after Confirmed. See:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status

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[Bug 754000] Re: 3 finger touch interferes with 3 finger click (middle click)

2011-05-10 Thread Daniel van Vugt
Fixed (in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics)! The patch to go in
debian/patches is attached...

  * Number of active touches can be less than number of active fingers/contacts
so ask grail for the real number of fingers when clicking. This fixes
3-finger clicks (middle click) when there are geis/grail clients active
such as Unity. (LP: #754000)


** Patch added: 125_fix_all_multifinger_clicks.patch
   
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/754000/+attachment/2122439/+files/125_fix_all_multifinger_clicks.patch

** Package changed: unity (Ubuntu) = xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
(Ubuntu)

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[Bug 754000] Re: 3 finger touch interferes with 3 finger click (middle click)

2011-05-10 Thread Daniel van Vugt
The fix is now available for testing in ppa:vanvugt/unity
(https://launchpad.net/~vanvugt/+archive/unity)

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[Bug 754000] Re: 3 finger touch interferes with 3 finger click (middle click)

2011-05-10 Thread Brian Murray
** Tags added: patch

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[Bug 754000] Re: 3 finger touch interferes with 3 finger click (middle click)

2011-05-06 Thread Daniel van Vugt
Interesting to see the button events using the command xinput test
bcm5974... With Unity loaded the middle click (three fingers) is
reported incorrectly as button #1 being pressed and released. Without
Unity, xinput correctly reports the middle click as button #2.

Also note that without Unity in Ubuntu Classic (not effects), I can
reintroduce the bug by running geistest at the same time as the above
xinput test (in different windows). So it would seem that libutouch-geis
might be close the cause.

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[Bug 754000] Re: 3 finger touch interferes with 3 finger click (middle click)

2011-05-02 Thread Jon Pile
Just want to confirm, and point out that with the Apple Magic Trackpad,
there is NO workaround, and therefore no middle-click.

This bug should perhaps be retitled - No middle-click for multitouch
devices. This is important, the cut-buffer is useless without it. A way
to disable the three-finger move window would suffice.

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[Bug 754000] Re: 3 finger touch interferes with 3 finger click (middle click)

2011-04-26 Thread Daniel van Vugt
** Also affects: mactel-support
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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[Bug 754000] Re: 3 finger touch interferes with 3 finger click (middle click)

2011-04-26 Thread Jason Smith
** Changed in: unity
   Status: Triaged = Invalid

** Also affects: utouch
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Changed in: utouch
   Status: New = Confirmed

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[Bug 754000] Re: 3 finger touch interferes with 3 finger click (middle click)

2011-04-26 Thread Didier Roche
** Changed in: unity
   Status: Invalid = Triaged

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[Bug 754000] Re: 3 finger touch interferes with 3 finger click (middle click)

2011-04-15 Thread Daniel van Vugt
** Summary changed:

- 3 finger press interferes with middle click on macbook pro trackpad
+ 3 finger touch interferes with 3 finger click (middle click)

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